Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

[sverre054]

5 years ago today, we lost Leonard Nimoys. RIP Mr. Spock

 

[sverre054]

I thought Patrick Stewart and Jonathan Del Arco gave fantastic performances in today's episode. Loved those shifting walls inside the cube

 

[sverre054]

For everyone complaining about Picard being too political, have you not realized Star Trek has also about the current political climate going on in the world at the time. The world is much more politically divided, mainly due to the Internet and media giving people information sources, that skew to there view point, whether left or right.

I do find it funny that people complain about the show being too dark and having a liberal political agenda, and pining for the good old federation to return. You know, the good old paradise of a socialist utopia, where everything is provided for you, and money means nothing, and all are welcome! Not the scary current federation where refugees are shunned and feared, isolationism from outsiders, and federation first mentality. No that's nothing like the current political climate

Let's give the show a chance to see where we end up. I have a feeling Jean-Luc will be guiding us back to the light

 

[Philo-Publius]

For everyone complaining about Picard being too political, have you not realized Star Trek has also about the current political climate going on in the world at the time. The world is much more politically divided, mainly due to the Internet and media giving people information sources, that skew to there view point, whether left or right.

I do find it funny that people complain about the show being too dark and having a liberal political agenda, and pining for the good old federation to return. You know, the good old paradise of a socialist utopia, where everything is provided for you, and money means nothing, and all are welcome! Not the scary current federation where refugees are shunned and feared, isolationism from outsiders, and federation first mentality. No that's nothing like the current political climate

Let's give the show a chance to see where we end up. I have a feeling Jean-Luc will be guiding us back to the light

Star Trek always had veiled political messages. They used clever innuendo or symbolism rather than being overt. I haven't seen any overt political messages in Picard. It's certainly a different type of production than TNG, and it is not perfect. It does have flaws. But, I haven't seen anything so bad yet that it will make me ditch the show entirely. It is totally believable that a world 30 years or so later would be very different (politically or otherwise). I have watched our world change as drastically over the last 30 years. I still intend on seeing the Picard show through.

STD, on the other hand, might as well not exist. Making another prequel with more cannon violations was a mistake.

 

[deviake]

For everyone complaining about Picard being too political, have you not realized Star Trek has also about the current political climate going on in the world at the time. The world is much more politically divided, mainly due to the Internet and media giving people information sources, that skew to there view point, whether left or right.

I do find it funny that people complain about the show being too dark and having a liberal political agenda, and pining for the good old federation to return. You know, the good old paradise of a socialist utopia, where everything is provided for you, and money means nothing, and all are welcome! Not the scary current federation where refugees are shunned and feared, isolationism from outsiders, and federation first mentality. No that's nothing like the current political climate

Let's give the show a chance to see where we end up. I have a feeling Jean-Luc will be guiding us back to the light

I agree with your middle paragraph. ST has always tackled politics and social justice, in fact if it wasn't for execs and assholes like Rick Berman it would've had a woman as captain in TOS (if memory serves, might've been commander) and gay characters in TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. ST's future is very left aside from the hierarchy in Star Fleet. For me, the issue is the way it's doing it (not that you were directly addressing me).

For me, Picard reminds me of TLJ. It's trying to question the lore but doing so lazily to the point where it doesn't feel like it belongs in the IP, and narratively it has huge problems and massive contradictions with established lore and generally, even if we remove the ST name. Picard (the character) is like a mirror of Luke from TLJ. DS9 questioned the rosy future without breaking the universe and I hold it as the gold standard of how to do so, the same way the KOTOR games did for SW. Deconstructions and zig zags like this have to be handled very carefully.

I'll be happy if it turns around, those are my thoughts, not trying to take from anyone else's enjoyment. It's not for me. Haven't been able to watch after the second episode.

Not trying to kill anyone's enjoyment, just my take.

 

[sverre054]

I agree with your middle paragraph. ST has always tackled politics and social justice, in fact if it wasn't for execs and assholes like Rick Berman it would've had a woman as captain in TOS (if memory serves, might've been commander) and gay characters in TOS, TNG, DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise. ST's future is very left aside from the hierarchy in Star Fleet. For me, the issue is the way it's doing it (not that you were directly addressing me).

For me, Picard reminds me of TLJ. It's trying to question the lore but doing so lazily to the point where it doesn't feel like it belongs in the IP, and narratively it has huge problems and massive contradictions with established lore and generally, even if we remove the ST name. Picard (the character) is like a mirror of Luke from TLJ. DS9 questioned the rosy future without breaking the universe and I hold it as the gold standard of how to do so, the same way the KOTOR games did for SW. Deconstructions and zig zags like this have to be handled very carefully.

I'll be happy if it turns around, those are my thoughts, not trying to take from anyone else's enjoyment. It's not for me. Haven't been able to watch after the second episode.

Not trying to kill anyone's enjoyment, just my take.

I agree and I'm not singling anyne out. It's just a general observation I've made from various people online about Picard. One thibg I hate in this day in age, is we don't give shows a chance to develop anyone, without cries for it to be cancelled. We would have never got past season 1 of TNG if the internet existed back then. There were so many old TOS fans who HATED TNG, and complained to to all who would listen, that this wasnt there star trek, and and it should be canceled. And looking back, the first few season of TNG were not great. They had some fantastic episodes, but as a whole, they were pretty cringy. We would never have have gotten tng, DS9, VOY, and ENT if those guys had there way, back when TNG premiered.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

Tonight’s episode was OK I thought. Best (or least bad) episode since the pilot imo. I liked Picard’s interactions with Hugh.

Not sure why they’ve decided to make Picard turn into a sniveling ptsd bitch at the sight of Borg though. He never acted like that when they crossed paths with the Borg in the season 6 finale/7 premier or in First Contact. Just more character assassination I guess from the writers.

 

[Philo-Publius]

Tonight’s episode was OK I thought. Best (or least bad) episode since the pilot imo. I liked Picard’s interactions with Hugh.

Not sure why they’ve decided to make Picard turn into a sniveling ptsd bitch at the sight of Borg though. He never acted like that when they crossed paths with the Borg in the season 6 finale/7 premier or in First Contact. Just more character assassination I guess from the writers.

He acted that way in Star Trek: First Contact, so it is canon. They also established in the TNG finale that he had some type of dementia, which they noted early in this series was in it's early stages. This series takes place only about 4 years before the future period of "All Good Things."

 

[sverre054]

Tonight’s episode was OK I thought. Best (or least bad) episode since the pilot imo. I liked Picard’s interactions with Hugh.

Not sure why they’ve decided to make Picard turn into a sniveling ptsd bitch at the sight of Borg though. He never acted like that when they crossed paths with the Borg in the season 6 finale/7 premier or in First Contact. Just more character assassination I guess from the writers.

It's due to his Irumodic Syndrome.

Irumodic Syndrome is a medical condition, a brain, making the patient suffer erratic behavior, delusions, loss of memory and other similar symptoms.

Keep in mind, Picard is 93 years old in this. While Humans can live around over 130 years in the 24th century, Irumodic syndrome has no cure, and he likely only has a few more good years left.

 

[sverre054]

Pretty in-depth review of yesterday's episode. They do have a ton of deep canon things weaved throughout. I really like his theory and who is leading the Romulans, and as Hugh as, a Romulan is now acting like a Queen. She has been rumored to be appearing in Picard for months, so it will be interesting to see if that pans out.

 

[Clippy]

He acted that way in Star Trek: First Contact, so it is canon. They also established in the TNG finale that he had some type of dementia, which they noted early in this series was in it's early stages. This series takes place only about 4 years before the future period of "All Good Things."

oh the writers gave him space dementia so we can accept how horribly different his character is from the show

cool

 

[Clippy]

The only thing giving me motivation to watch Picard rn



But I still probably won't watch it

It is kind of ironic that they are inadvertently keeping this bad show alive

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

They took ST actors (WON'T say characters, because these actors are out of character), names and places, and sprinkled them on a generic action sci-fi show.

It's ST in the most superficial way.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I can make myself deal with it because Patrick Stewart’s performance as new Picard is so different from TNG Picard that I can’t convince myself they’re the same character. My appreciation for the original character is untarnished because this new portrayal feels so completely distinct.

Also

Seven of Nine is The Punisher.

Many will look at that and say "awesome!"

I felt ill.

I've watched these with my best friend, we're both ST fans from way back.
He likes it (loves Disc)... but then torture porn.

You know that hollowed out, gross feeling after having a long, splashy bout with diarrhea? Like thoroughly wiping won't be enough and you have to shower?

...

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

He acted that way in Star Trek: First Contact, so it is canon. They also established in the TNG finale that he had some type of dementia, which they noted early in this series was in it's early stages. This series takes place only about 4 years before the future period of "All Good Things."

He didn’t act like a scaredy cat in First Contact - dude was out for vengeance.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

He didn’t act like a scaredy cat in First Contact - dude was out for vengeance.

First what?
I can't find an episode with that title...

 

[Philo-Publius]

He didn’t act like a scaredy cat in First Contact - dude was out for vengeance.

He is about 25 years older than he was then. Do you think age and experience over that period of time could change his behavior and perspective?

 

[Clippy]

He is about 25 years older than he was then. Do you think age and experience over that period of time could change his behavior and perspective?

Do you think people want to tune in to see their beloved character turn into a jaded asshole?

It's Luke Skywalker all over again

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

First what?
I can't find an episode with that title...

Sorry, I meant Die Hard in Space. A bunch of terrorists try to take over this space ship. They may have been Swedish as they called themselves Borg.

My favourite part is when the actor that played Carl Winslow is out in a space suit and blows up a bunch of the terrorists and he’s all like “yippee kayay mother fucker!”

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Sorry, I meant Die Hard in Space. A bunch of terrorists try to take over this space ship. They may have been Swedish as they called themselves Borg.

My favourite part is when the actor that played Carl Winslow is out in a space suit and blows up a bunch of the terrorists and he’s all like “yippee kayay mother fucker!”

"Assimilate this!"

That line could've been dumber but they were lazy.