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Television The Star Trek Thread V6.0

Also, I realized that Stewart having more creative control was going to be a bad thing when I learned he had a lot of creative control over Star Trek Insurrection, which was awful

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All the TNG films were trash; they were already forgetting character traits.
It's almost as though they forgot about their fan base because in a ST film you have to pull in people who don't care about Star Trek.

Which is understandable but leads to crappy ST.
 
You guys this new star trek makes me sad for reals

I can't believe how they took a show that made you feel happy and hopeful and turned it into this

Like it genuinely crushes my soul

I watched the first 3 episodes and don't think I can bring myself to watch more
 
You guys this new star trek makes me sad for reals

I can't believe how they took a show that made you feel happy and hopeful and turned it into this

Like it genuinely crushes my soul

I watched the first 3 episodes and don't think I can bring myself to watch more
I'm not. It's firmly established what it's going to be.

I'll watch the Re:Views and feel badly that they're torturing themselves.

Was there some studio warning that the new series was going to be so different, or an interview with Stewart, anything?
Would've been nice to know it would be almost unrecognizable.

I can't believe they think this is what people want to see when they get home from a long work day.

But I suppose it is, unless this fails badly. Searches online bring up a fair amount of revulsion.
 
To quote Hackfraud Evans, "Fuck that. Stop shitting on Star Trek!"

Stewart has done the franchise even dirtier because he's consciously trashing the old Federation... the one that existed too recently for these bizarre changes to occur within Picard's lifetime.

Fourteen Federation planets said "Fuck it, let them die"?

It's funny to me when people insist that canon be respected.

Canon be damned. If this is what Star Trek is now, it choked sucking its own dick.

Kirk said “let them die” about the Klingons in Star Trek VI, but he had decent reason to say so - the Klingon Bastards killed his son. But the federation as a whole was all in on the peace talks, to the point where they were willing to sacrifice Kirk to keep peace alive. But by the end of Star Trek VI Kirk changed his mind, realized he was wrong.

Star Trek Picard is like if the roles were reversed. Picard is like the Federation from Star Trek VI while the Federation is like Kirk. Everyone at Starfleet has turned into a bunch of Admiral Cartwrights (aka Captain Sisko’s dad).
 
Kirk said “let them die” about the Klingons in Star Trek VI, but he had decent reason to say so - the Klingon Bastards killed his son. But the federation as a whole was all in on the peace talks, to the point where they were willing to sacrifice Kirk to keep peace alive. But by the end of Star Trek VI Kirk changed his mind, realized he was wrong.

Star Trek Picard is like if the roles were reversed. Picard is like the Federation from Star Trek VI while the Federation is like Kirk. Everyone at Starfleet has turned into a bunch of Admiral Cartwrights (aka Captain Sisko’s dad).
It's all fucked up because politics. Nobody keeps that shit to themselves anymore, and for some reason at 80, Stewart sees this as his chance to make a difference and stand for something or whatever motivates him.

I'm afraid making a good Star Trek show was less important to him than ham fisted political commentary.
 
You guys this new star trek makes me sad for reals

I can't believe how they took a show that made you feel happy and hopeful and turned it into this

Like it genuinely crushes my soul

I watched the first 3 episodes and don't think I can bring myself to watch more

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There will always be classic TNG just like there will always be classic DOOM. They can’t take that away from us.
 
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There will always be classic TNG just like there will always be classic DOOM. They can’t take that away from us.

At least the new doom doesn't look like it pisses in the eye of the old doom

bUt I can't be bothered to play modern games :P
 
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There will always be classic TNG just like there will always be classic DOOM. They can’t take that away from us.
Now THAT'S porg racing.

So many episodes over the years. I'd say each series had ten episodes that were good-to- excellent.

That comfy ST.
"Where the finale is a stirring speech and not a gun battle."
 
At least the new doom doesn't look like it pisses in the eye of the old doom

bUt I can't be bothered to play modern games :p

I didn’t mean to suggest new Doom was bad, because I really enjoy it. I just meant the things in the past that we like are still there, and they can’t be taken away.

Except Star Wars, where they’ve taken away the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy. Bastards.
 
I didn’t mean to suggest new Doom was bad, because I really enjoy it. I just meant the things in the past that we like are still there, and they can’t be taken away.

Except Star Wars, where they’ve taken away the theatrical cuts of the original trilogy. Bastards.

From what I've seen the new Doom actually pays respect to it's legacy

Unlike many other modern things ....
 
Season 5, episode 2 of STAR TREK Voyager, entitled "Drone".

I got so tired of the Borg. I got tired of Voyager being the Seven of Nine Show.

But here Jeri Ryan emotes so wonderfully. I actually break up a little when she
Pleads with the drone not to die and says "Please, you're hurting me. " and then the drone dies, and Ryan looks shocked and upset, and takes sharp little inbreaths as it overwhelms her.
Might be my favorite Seven ep.
 
To quote the great Rich Evans, "Who are they making this for?"

ST has just become generic sci-fi. If I wanted to watch darker, less optimistic, action-yer, futuristic sci-fi there's other shows that do it MUCH better than STD (I still lol at that abbreviation) and Picard. When I watch Star Trek, I want to see Star Trek.
 
Season 5, episode 2 of STAR TREK Voyager, entitled "Drone".

I got so tired of the Borg. I got tired of Voyager being the Seven of Nine Show.

But here Jeri Ryan emotes so wonderfully. I actually break up a little when she
Pleads with the drone not to die and says "Please, you're hurting me. " and then the drone dies, and Ryan looks shocked and upset, and takes sharp little inbreaths as it overwhelms her.
Might be my favorite Seven ep.

I heard in the picard show she

full on murders Icheb

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because this is what fans want to see
 
From what I've seen the new Doom actually pays respect to it's legacy

Unlike many other modern things ....
The people making the new Doom games understand the old Doom and say everything you want to hear someone say who's modernizing an old IP. They love and respect it. If the people making new SW & ST had their attitude, talent, and knowledge about their respective IPs things would've turned out a lot differently
 
To quote the great Rich Evans, "Who are they making this for?"

ST has just become generic sci-fi. If I wanted to watch darker, less optimistic, action-yer, futuristic sci-fi there's other shows that do it MUCH better than STD (I still lol at that abbreviation) and Picard. When I watch Star Trek, I want to see Star Trek.
We sound ancient and immovable.

Stewart is moving forward and we're stuck in the boots he was wearing on TNG.

This is NewTrek. It's gonna remind us of the problems we watch ST to escape.

Old man yells at cloud time.
 
To quote the great Rich Evans, "Who are they making this for?"

ST has just become generic sci-fi. If I wanted to watch darker, less optimistic, action-yer, futuristic sci-fi there's other shows that do it MUCH better than STD (I still lol at that abbreviation) and Picard. When I watch Star Trek, I want to see Star Trek.
It's made for fans of ST who don't mind its similarity to other
"""""sci-fi""""",
and sci-fi fans who don't know much about ST.

Also viewers who want MESSAGING!
 
We sound ancient and immovable.

Stewart is moving forward and we're stuck in the boots he was wearing on TNG.

This is NewTrek. It's gonna remind us of the problems we watch ST to escape.

Old man yells at cloud time.
Haha I'd like to believe I'm adaptable and not becoming a curmudgeon, but I dunno. I just feel like if you're gonna change or add to something, its essence needs to be preserved or you've created something else entirely and may as well not even use the name. Problem with new Trek is, not only is it not ST, it doesn't even seem to do well whatever it's aiming to achieve. The people making it now have created a veneer of depth but it's actually not that deep.

They also fundamentally don't understand ST. This is a minor example, but the workers on Mars. They're imitating the way blue collar workers talk now, but that doesn't work in ST. Even the replicator makes a "ding" sound like an old microwave or oven timer, and that's basically the whole show--a lack of understanding of the universe.

They're also reusing ST: VI's plot with the Romulans, except they forgot the Romulans have an entire Empire and that the way they handled a similar situation in ST: VI was MUCH more thoughtful while still being intriguing and exciting.

Also drives me nuts that they're seemingly ignoring DS9 entirely just like the crappy TNG movies did. All of the major powers had taken heavy losses in the Dominion War, the Cardassians especially. This would be a fantastic time to see the state of the quadrant during the rebuilding process after everyone has had time to lick their wounds, lots of potential for ST kinda themes to be explored while accompanying Picard on his personal journey. Imagine the potential in seeing the state of politics in the quadrant after a war that incurred massive losses and forced all the major powers to work together. When DS9 ended, all the major powers in the quadrant were allies.

If they wanted to go darker, they could take the baton from DS9, and we could see the quadrant be more paranoid and militarized after being pulverized by the Dominion and Borg. You could still adhere to ST's central themes that way, and Picard would be dismayed by the whole situation.

Nah tho. The Federation is racist and xenophobic, Picard is inept, the Romulans have a Borg cube, no mention of the entire quadrant almost being wiped out by the Dominion, no mention of the delta or gamma quadrants which added massively to the universe. Oh. Okay. New Trek doesn't want to go beyond Borg, Romulans, Klingons, things people who have only a passing knowledge will recognize because they're from the two most popular, iconic shows, TOS & TNG. That's what makes me think it's just a money grab.

Old Trek explored political themes using different races/worlds as stand ins and metaphors for current world problems while still adhering to the principles that humanity had advanced beyond our current issues. There's no nuance here, it's all on-the-nose and poorly crafted.

/Rant from an old(ish) Trek fan
 
Haha I'd like to believe I'm adaptable and not becoming a curmudgeon, but I dunno. I just feel like if you're gonna change or add to something, its essence needs to be preserved or you've created something else entirely and may as well not even use the name. Problem with new Trek is, not only is it not ST, it doesn't even seem to do well whatever it's aiming to achieve. The people making it now have created a veneer of depth but it's actually not that deep.

They also fundamentally don't understand ST. This is a minor example, but the workers on Mars. They're imitating the way blue collar workers talk now, but that doesn't work in ST. Even the replicator makes a "ding" sound like an old microwave or oven timer, and that's basically the whole show--a lack of understanding of the universe.

They're also reusing ST: VI's plot with the Romulans, except they forgot the Romulans have an entire Empire and that the way they handled a similar situation in ST: VI was MUCH more thoughtful while still being intriguing and exciting.

Also drives me nuts that they're seemingly ignoring DS9 entirely just like the crappy TNG movies did. All of the major powers had taken heavy losses in the Dominion War, the Cardassians especially. This would be a fantastic time to see the state of the quadrant during the rebuilding process after everyone has had time to lick their wounds, lots of potential for ST kinda themes to be explored while accompanying Picard on his personal journey. Imagine the potential in seeing the state of politics in the quadrant after a war that incurred massive losses and forced all the major powers to work together. When DS9 ended, all the major powers in the quadrant were allies.

If they wanted to go darker, they could take the baton from DS9, and we could see the quadrant be more paranoid and militarized after being pulverized by the Dominion and Borg. You could still adhere to ST's central themes that way, and Picard would be dismayed by the whole situation.

Nah tho. The Federation is racist and xenophobic, Picard is inept, the Romulans have a Borg cube, no mention of the entire quadrant almost being wiped out by the Dominion, no mention of the delta or gamma quadrants which added massively to the universe. Oh. Okay. New Trek doesn't want to go beyond Borg, Romulans, Klingons, things people who have only a passing knowledge will recognize because they're from the two most popular, iconic shows, TOS & TNG. That's what makes me think it's just a money grab.

Old Trek explored political themes using different races/worlds as stand ins and metaphors for current world problems while still adhering to the principles that humanity had advanced beyond our current issues. There's no nuance here, it's all on-the-nose and poorly crafted.

/Rant from an old(ish) Trek fan

You raise a good point I was thinking about earlier - that in TOS or TNG if they wanted to tell a story reflecting on a modern social or political issue they would 99.9% of the time handle it by visiting a world where the culture was facing that issue.

They want to do an episode about Brexit? Ok, have an episode where Picard the diplomat is visiting a Federation world like the Andorians or the Telerites and they’re trying to secede from the Federation for xenophobic or economic reasons, whatever.

Doing it in that fashion would allow viewers to compare and contrast the utopian federation against whatever backwards or bigoted culture they’d be dealing with. In Picard, however, there is no paragon of virtue anymore.

Hate this show.
 
On a general Scifi note.Someone gave me a boxset of the show Eureka.
It's in the same Universe as Warehouse 13. It gets an 8 on IMDB.
Never hear anyone about this show.
 
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On a general Scifi note.Someone gave me a boxset of the show Eureka.
It's in the same Universe as Warehouse 13. It get's an 8 on IMDB.
Never hear anyone about this show.

I used to watch Eureka a little bit back when it aired. As I recall it was pretty good. It was smart, light hearted and kind of funny.
 
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