The Star Trek Thread, V5.0

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

I keep thinking about a Tarantino ST and shuddering. All his gimmicky nonlinear editing would be so wrong for ST.

I want to see QT take on Star Trek dialogue. Fifteen minutes of Ferengi discussing the rules of acquisition regarding tipping.

 

[Deleted member 110072]

I want to see QT take on Star Trek dialogue. Fifteen minutes of Ferengi discussing the rules of acquisition regarding tipping.

Lots of violence but strangely no betazoid marriage.

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

I want to see QT take on Star Trek dialogue. Fifteen minutes of Ferengi discussing the rules of acquisition regarding tipping.

*taps the Golden Exchequer on desk with bar of gold pressed latinum*



*raises eyebrows expectantly*

 

[Dirge]

Well both of these famous actors were the co-leads so far. Not sure if they are gay or have been women in the past though.

Yes I mentioned both of them in my comments . One was the season one villain and the other was introduced in season 2 and he is not coming back to the show

 

[Not A Theist]

Love Patrick Stewart, love star trek but not sure how this will go.

I've been watching Discovery (which will have the same producers) and while its decent, I'm frankly getting a bit tired of its METOO driven message. When the majority of its main characters are females or gay men, its hard for the core crowd of star trek to relate.

While I think there are a lot of things that make Discovery only so-so so far, I always find this critique a bit odd. Star Trek, right from the get-go, was pushing its generational version of what would now be called SJW stuff. Hell, the original show had a black woman on the bridge along with a Russian and an asian guy. TNG was, oddly, not pushing as many envelopes in this regard but the next two had a black captain and a female captain.

I think if you're only noticing that Star Trek is a show has a bit of an SJW'ey feel to it now you're likely what's different, and you're just more sensitive to the message.

What I find a bit weird is how the showrunners are trying to sell Discovery like it's really pushing boundaries when it's not. What it's doing now is expected and not boundary breaking. Black female leads, gay characters, female heavy cast - none of this is remotely new or shocking in the current year. In fact, it's almost expected to tick off at least some of these boxes these days. TOS and, to a lesser extent, DS9 and Voyager pushed the envelope and helped normalize things that were still not widely accepted at the time. Discovery? Give me a list of shows on the air right now and I bet I can pick five shows doing the shit Discovery is tooting its horn for doing before I'm a tenth of the way down the list. If anything, Discovery is being lazy and playing it safe in this day and age. You want to really push an envelope? Have the captain, who is not being presented as a villain or backwards character, be a conservative Christian white male with exceedingly traditional values which he makes public and colour his actions. That would be controversial these days - not a cast loaded with gay people, people of colour, and women. TOS and even Voyager and DS9 had some guts with their rosters and character makeup - Discovery is playing it safe while claiming it's being risky.

 

[Amerikuracana]

It's good by virtue of Stewart.

But ST always depends on strong writing about human morality. It needs good stories or it's gonna suck.

What was common sense morality in 1992, is upside down right now. The Borg? Apple has too much money for anybody to question that future. Etc...

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

While I think there are a lot of things that make Discovery only so-so so far, I always find this critique a bit odd. Star Trek, right from the get-go, was pushing its generational version of what would now be called SJW stuff. Hell, the original show had a black woman on the bridge along with a Russian and an asian guy. TNG was, oddly, not pushing as many envelopes in this regard but the next two had a black captain and a female captain.

I think if you're only noticing that Star Trek is a show has a bit of an SJW'ey feel to it now you're likely what's different, and you're just more sensitive to the message.

What I find a bit weird is how the showrunners are trying to sell Discovery like it's really pushing boundaries when it's not. What it's doing now is expected and not boundary breaking. Black female leads, gay characters, female heavy cast - none of this is remotely new or shocking in the current year. In fact, it's almost expected to tick off at least some of these boxes these days. TOS and, to a lesser extent, DS9 and Voyager pushed the envelope and helped normalize things that were still not widely accepted at the time. Discovery? Give me a list of shows on the air right now and I bet I can pick five shows doing the shit Discovery is tooting its horn for doing before I'm a tenth of the way down the list. If anything, Discovery is being lazy and playing it safe in this day and age. You want to really push an envelope? Have the captain, who is not being presented as a villain or backwards character, be a conservative Christian white male with exceedingly traditional values which he makes public and colour his actions. That would be controversial these days - not a cast loaded with gay people, people of colour, and women. TOS and even Voyager and DS9 had some guts with their rosters and character makeup - Discovery is playing it safe while claiming it's being risky.

Star Trek was never SJW

Sounds like you dont know what SJW is

 

[TheRuthlessOne]

Voyager is not even SJW

All these people saying "Star Trek was always SJW" are one thousand percent wrong

Now go ahead and fuck off

 

[Dirge]

While I think there are a lot of things that make Discovery only so-so so far, I always find this critique a bit odd. Star Trek, right from the get-go, was pushing its generational version of what would now be called SJW stuff. Hell, the original show had a black woman on the bridge along with a Russian and an asian guy. TNG was, oddly, not pushing as many envelopes in this regard but the next two had a black captain and a female captain.

I think if you're only noticing that Star Trek is a show has a bit of an SJW'ey feel to it now you're likely what's different, and you're just more sensitive to the message.

What I find a bit weird is how the showrunners are trying to sell Discovery like it's really pushing boundaries when it's not. What it's doing now is expected and not boundary breaking. Black female leads, gay characters, female heavy cast - none of this is remotely new or shocking in the current year. In fact, it's almost expected to tick off at least some of these boxes these days. TOS and, to a lesser extent, DS9 and Voyager pushed the envelope and helped normalize things that were still not widely accepted at the time. Discovery? Give me a list of shows on the air right now and I bet I can pick five shows doing the shit Discovery is tooting its horn for doing before I'm a tenth of the way down the list. If anything, Discovery is being lazy and playing it safe in this day and age. You want to really push an envelope? Have the captain, who is not being presented as a villain or backwards character, be a conservative Christian white male with exceedingly traditional values which he makes public and colour his actions. That would be controversial these days - not a cast loaded with gay people, people of colour, and women. TOS and even Voyager and DS9 had some guts with their rosters and character makeup - Discovery is playing it safe while claiming it's being risky.

You make some valid points. That said I don't watch a lot of TV, really only a couple of shows, Discovery because I've been a Star Trek fan since the beginning, Billions, Seal Team (Which is fantastic btw) and that's about it. The other shows I watched regularly either ended (Justified, Sons of Anarchy, Breaking Bad & Dexter) or got so boring I gave up (The Walking Dead).... I'm hit or miss on Game of Thrones can't decide if I like it but have watched all of it.

I just find it odd that the core Star Trek audience has always been hetero males (I went to a Star Trek convention once a million years ago and it was 99% white and asian guys with a few confused girls). Maybe they are trying to attract a more diverse crowd and don't give a shit about the core fans that have supported the Star Trek universe through it's ups and downs?

 

[Deleted member 110072]

The problem really though is that the old "Ambassador Picard" concept seems ill at odds with what Trek has become. Idealy you'd want that series to be akin to the more political episodes of TNG, maybe some action but mostly Picard dealing with moral quandaries rather than the kind of wham bang action/drama Abrams introduced.

 

[sverre054]

The problem really though is that the old "Ambassador Picard" concept seems ill at odds with what Trek has become. Idealy you'd want that series to be akin to the more political episodes of TNG, maybe some action but mostly Picard dealing with moral quandaries rather than the kind of wham bang action/drama Abrams introduced.

Kristen Bryer, who pitched the Picard show, is a hardcore Trek fan, who got her start as a fan fic writer. CBS took notice, and she was put in charge of relaunching the Voyager novel, and she did a phenomenal job. Her excellent novels got her, her first TV gig on DSC, and now she is one of the leading forces in the Picard series. They also have a Pulitzer prize winning writer, an academy award winner, and former ENT writer on staff. I'm excited and hopeful with the team they have leading Picard. I think we are going to get a deeper introspective show, rather then the standard face paced discovery stuff. I think Micheal Chabon's, episode, calypso, is a good look at the style they will be going, writing wise

 

[sverre054]

First screen grab From Picard. The series was also just announced official to be called Star Trek: Picard

 

[JDragon]

That certainly shows this show is only a Stewart show and not intended to kick off anything bigger. Bit unfortunate.

 

[sverre054]

That certainly shows this show is only a Stewart show and not intended to kick off anything bigger. Bit unfortunate.

I'm hopeful it could set the stage for a new series. I'm calling it that we will see either Admiral Riker on the Titan, or Captain Data on the big E make an appearance.

 

[Philo-Publius]

I'm hopeful it could set the stage for a new series. I'm calling it that we will see either Admiral Riker on the Titan, or Captain Data on the big E make an appearance.

Although they could revive "Data" via "B4," they probably will not because Brent Spinner is probably too old.

Good chance you will see some of the other things you mentioned.

I don't understand why they are going to put yet another Trek show on CBS Access instead of broadcast CBS. Not interested in paying more for it.

 

[The Diplomat]

I'm in the middle of the fourth season of DS9.

Did anyone else pick up on the way Sisko and Jake sit down? They do the Riker sit.

 

[sverre054]

Although they could revive "Data" via "B4," they probably will not because Brent Spinner is probably too old.

Good chance you will see some of the other things you mentioned.

I don't understand why they are going to put yet another Trek show on CBS Access instead of broadcast CBS. Not interested in paying more for it.

Streaming is the future. The old network and cable system is slowly dying.

Just look at what Disney is doing with DIseny+. They are spending hundreds of millions on new exclusive content for Disney plus, when they own the following networks
ABC
FOX
DISNEY
NAT GEO
ESPN
ect..........

They could put any of the new Star Wars show, or anything else they are making, on any network, but they want to drive subscriptions. The old Network model is dying. Instead of worrying about advertisers, they are going straight to the consumer for income.

 

[Philo-Publius]

Streaming is the future. The old network and cable system is slowly dying.

Just look at what Disney is doing with DIseny+. They are spending hundreds of millions on new exclusive content for Disney plus, when they own the following networks
ABC
FOX
DISNEY
NAT GEO
ESPN
ect..........

They could put any of the new Star Wars show, or anything else they are making, on any network, but they want to drive subscriptions. The old Network model is dying. Instead of worrying about advertisers, they are going straight to the consumer for income.

As of right now, the major broadcast channels (FOX, NBC, ABC, and CBS) still score higher ratings than anything else because they are ore accessible. If these shows were really good, they would be getting much more in advertising revenue from putting them on legacy CBS than they would from charging on a streaming service.

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

 

[ShadBo]

They're calling it Star Trek: Picard?

Ugh.