The Star Trek Thread, V5.0

[Philo-Publius]

That lawsuit is going nowhere. This week, the plaintiff posted evidence that a Star Trek writer, had joined the gaming Service STEAM, so she must have found this obscure game, and stolen the ideas for the show. But unfortunately, she joined steam, about 6 months after the series was into production with the characters and plot already largely decided, and was a junior writer on the series.

This was there hailmary, that she plays video, so she must have clearly stolen the ideas for the show.

There are some clear similarities. Simply because that one person didn't join until 6 months after the fact doesn't mean she, or someone else involved with the show, didn't have exposure to the game's ideas at some point prior to the inception of the show. If this lawsuit goes "nowhere," it is only because CBS is a financial powerhouse, and this game creator is a peon.

 

[sverre054]

Watching Orville yesterday, I recognized two further ingredients:

1) having one episode morality plays that can stand on their own
2) providing a ship and crew I would like to work with

Actually taken together with the deep space exploration aspect, those may be key for me. I wanted to be on the Enterprise as a kid. I wanted to be on the Enterprise-D. I even wanted to be on DS9 despite its darker leaning.

Of course. It was like a 3 star, brand name hotel in space!

 

[sverre054]

There are some clear similarities. Simply because that one person didn't join until 6 months after the fact doesn't mean she, or someone else involved with the show, didn't have exposure to the game's ideas at some point prior to the inception of the show. If this lawsuit goes "nowhere," it is only because CBS is a financial powerhouse, and this game creator is a peon.

From the court briefs I have read, the guy doesn't have a great case, and this last piece about the steam account, was supposedly his smoking gun. If someone did steal his idea, I hope he get a billion dollars, I just don't think it likely. Have you watched Discovery yet, to know if there are similarities?

 

[JDragon]

Have you watched Discovery yet, to know if there are similarities?

 

[Philo-Publius]

From the court briefs I have read, the guy doesn't have a great case, and this last piece about the steam account, was supposedly his smoking gun. If someone did steal his idea, I hope he get a billion dollars, I just don't think it likely. Have you watched Discovery yet, to know if there are similarities?

I have seen the similarities.

 

[Sanshou Kid]

I'll get the negatives/nitpicks/bitching out of the way first:

- Just because you have a character address it (Stamets to Tilly "Repeat after me; 'I will say less words'"), doesn't mean that having the idiotic "Let's have characters just keep babbling on and on and on cos improv-esque dialogue is so fucking funny" trope is any less dumb. Between Tilly's schtick and, the two helmsmen during the scene where Burnham rescues Pike, it really grated.
- Why is everyone insistent on practically salivating over the Enterprise? If I wanted to see the Enterprise and, subsequently a better show, I would go and watch TOS or TNG, stop trying to crowbar the fucker into your new show.
- You're telling me that, by the 23rd century, people are still saying "shit" as a swear word? (minor quibble I know, but it bugs me).
- Was it really necessary to have the stereotypical douche as the Enterprise's science officer to begin with, let alone kill him off in such a fashion?

Now, on the positive side, I am glad they are taking a bit more of a lighthearted tone this time, even if some of it is a bit cringey. The lens flare seemed toned down too and, i'm curious to see what unfolds with this season, the first episode was enough to make me want to watch the next one and, that is always good.

Let us hope I don't regret that decision!

 

[POWER2]

The first episode was FANTASTIC.

I have only one complaint. Your last captain turned out to be an impostor from another universe and your new captain shows up with no proof from Star Fleet and you accept him after a simple DNA test...which an impostor from another universe would pass.

Aside that, great Episode 1 of Season 2. Looking forward to this one.

 

[sverre054]

Wow, new subscribers were up 72% for the season 2 premiere, compared to the season 1 premiere. The combo of having Star trek and NFL on all access is really paying off for them

 

[sverre054]

I'll get the negatives/nitpicks/bitching out of the way first:

- Just because you have a character address it (Stamets to Tilly "Repeat after me; 'I will say less words'"), doesn't mean that having the idiotic "Let's have characters just keep babbling on and on and on cos improv-esque dialogue is so fucking funny" trope is any less dumb. Between Tilly's schtick and, the two helmsmen during the scene where Burnham rescues Pike, it really grated.
- Why is everyone insistent on practically salivating over the Enterprise? If I wanted to see the Enterprise and, subsequently a better show, I would go and watch TOS or TNG, stop trying to crowbar the fucker into your new show.
- You're telling me that, by the 23rd century, people are still saying "shit" as a swear word? (minor quibble I know, but it bugs me).
- Was it really necessary to have the stereotypical douche as the Enterprise's science officer to begin with, let alone kill him off in such a fashion?

Now, on the positive side, I am glad they are taking a bit more of a lighthearted tone this time, even if some of it is a bit cringey. The lens flare seemed toned down too and, i'm curious to see what unfolds with this season, the first episode was enough to make me want to watch the next one and, that is always good.

Let us hope I don't regret that decision!

I like Tilly, I think she brings something new to the franchise, and I think she's one of the most developed characters on the show. That said it can be over board

Tomorrow's episode is directed by everyone favorite director, number one himself Jonathan Frakes. He's directing 2 episodes this season

 

[JohnMandick]

I have STD fever.

I fucking love this show and it gave me AIDS.

Where's my Kenny Florian quote, bitch?

Personally, I think there is some underlying homophobia in choosing a name for the series that has the same acronym as Sexually Transmitted Disease

 

[Sanshou Kid]

I like Tilly, I think she brings something new to the franchise, and I think she's one of the most developed characters on the show. That said it can be over board

Tomorrow's episode is directed by everyone favorite director, number one himself Jonathan Frakes. He's directing 2 episodes this season

I agree she is one of the most developed characters on the show and, if there is something I can't fault Discovery for, it is that they can actually develop characters to the point they have some personality (although, only some of the bridge crew, I know nothing about the helmswomen and the robot lady for instance).

But, she gets on my fucking nerves regardless. Also, doesn't she have asthma/allergies? How the heck is that still a thing in the 23rd century and all!?

Hooray, good ol' Frakes. Shame he didn't get chance to direct one of the newer Star Trek films, given that a sequel to Beyond isn't looking likely at all.

 

[JDragon]

But, she gets on my fucking nerves regardless. Also, doesn't she have asthma/allergies? How the heck is that still a thing in the 23rd century and all!?

Consider that the common cold was not defeated until later in the 24th century:

In 2151, Malcolm Reed was surprised that, although Humans could travel past light speed, they still could not cure the common cold. Phlox replied that there was no cure or treatment for the illness except for methods similar to those used in the 20th century. Reed wondered how he had caught the virus inside a hermetically sealed starship, causing Phlox to suggest that he might have picked it up from a contaminated tool or a sealed container. When Reed recalled that he had opened a case of plasma coolant, Phlox surmised the coolant's packer had been nursing a cold. He dismissed Reed's protests that it had happened five months ago at spacedock, saying viruses could survive and adapt. (ENT: "Sleeping Dogs")

Jonathan Archer once stated, "If the Vulcanshad their way, they'd blame micro-singularities for the common cold." (ENT: "Shuttlepod One")

Doctor Leonard McCoy noted that modern medicine was still searching for a cure for the common cold in the 23rd century. (TOS: "Plato's Stepchildren") McCoy found a number of promising biological candidates on Omega IV that might lead to a viable cure. (TOS: "The Omega Glory") Scotty also mentioned that the common cold was yet uncured, comparing Mira Romaine's discomfort with space to this affliction. (TOS: "The Lights of Zetar")

By the mid-24th century, the common cold was apparently cured, though earlier in the century it still existed. (TNG: "The Battle", "Datalore", "Ensign Ro")

(From Memory Alpha)

Given this, I cannot be surprised at the Asthma thing.

 

[Sanshou Kid]

Consider that the common cold was not defeated until later in the 24th century:

In 2151, Malcolm Reed was surprised that, although Humans could travel past light speed, they still could not cure the common cold. Phlox replied that there was no cure or treatment for the illness except for methods similar to those used in the 20th century. Reed wondered how he had caught the virus inside a hermetically sealed starship, causing Phlox to suggest that he might have picked it up from a contaminated tool or a sealed container. When Reed recalled that he had opened a case of plasma coolant, Phlox surmised the coolant's packer had been nursing a cold. He dismissed Reed's protests that it had happened five months ago at spacedock, saying viruses could survive and adapt. (ENT: "Sleeping Dogs")

Jonathan Archer once stated, "If the Vulcanshad their way, they'd blame micro-singularities for the common cold." (ENT: "Shuttlepod One")

Doctor Leonard McCoy noted that modern medicine was still searching for a cure for the common cold in the 23rd century. (TOS: "Plato's Stepchildren") McCoy found a number of promising biological candidates on Omega IV that might lead to a viable cure. (TOS: "The Omega Glory") Scotty also mentioned that the common cold was yet uncured, comparing Mira Romaine's discomfort with space to this affliction. (TOS: "The Lights of Zetar")

By the mid-24th century, the common cold was apparently cured, though earlier in the century it still existed. (TNG: "The Battle", "Datalore", "Ensign Ro")

(From Memory Alpha)

Given this, I cannot be surprised at the Asthma thing.

That is all well and good, but given the sheer disgust with which McCoy looks at a dialysis machine in Voyage Home and then subsequently cures the patient's kidney failure with a single pill, I still find it hard to believe that they haven't eliminated things like asthma, allergies and other such things through prenatal genetic engineering or something.

Perhaps they have found ways to eliminate birth defects, too, I dunno.

Man, this is a nerdy conversation, haha.

 

[sverre054]

That is all well and good, but given the sheer disgust with which McCoy looks at a dialysis machine in Voyage Home and then subsequently cures the patient's kidney failure with a single pill, I still find it hard to believe that they haven't eliminated things like asthma, allergies and other such things through prenatal genetic engineering or something.

Perhaps they have found ways to eliminate birth defects, too, I dunno.

Man, this is a nerdy conversation, haha.

A lot of that stuff could be cured with genetic engineering, which kinda because touchy subject in the federation. After the eugenics wars, they largely abandoned genetic engineering, which is why Julian Bashir, had to lie to get into star fleet, due to engineered children being banned.

 

[POWER2]

Wow, new subscribers were up 72% for the season 2 premiere, compared to the season 1 premiere. The combo of having Star trek and NFL on all access is really paying off for them

the ability to use CBS AllAccess on Xbox and other devices is helping. You still can't broadcast your AllAccess subscription to your TV as an AmazonVideo channel. My wife basically boycotted the first season because they made it so difficult to view on TV.

 

[JDragon]

Nice interview with Frakes:

https://www.vulture.com/2019/01/star-trek-jonathan-frakes-director-interview.html

The Beyond Belief thing is true.

 

[sverre054]

Tonight's episode felt like a throw back to TOS. Away team actually beams to a planet to solve a mystery. 8/10

 

[JDragon]

Tonight's episode felt like a throw back to TOS. Away team actually beams to a planet to solve a mystery. 8/10

Yet have to watch it. I did see Orville 2x05 tonight (directed by Robert Duncan McNeill), and it was fantastic. Orville's second season is really killing it in the last episodes.

 

[Monkadelic]

Yeah.

Until Galactica, Farscape was my favorite science fiction show.

My man. Farscape was excellent. It was cheesy, with space-muppets and a poor Klingon rip-off but was still somehow brilliant. I had the flu a few years back and watched it from start to finish again, and it held up. It got better and better.

Then they ended it with the Peacekeeper Wars, which was atrocious.

 

[JDragon]

Saru detected she was "anxious" to see him-- eagerly anxious. This is vague, and while her unwillingness to acknowledge her excitement is symptomatic of her character, and Vulcans in general, the comic relief yielded from that scene leaned on the classic, "You're blushing" trope. This was given more shape later when Sarek tells her, "I don't think he ever fully....accepted you." She replies, "He may have-- for a time." Indeed, again, it is all vague, but it was intentionally vague with this potential resonance.

That rumor was explicitly denied:

SYFY WIRE: Sonequa Martin-Green gives a firm 'no-no' to a certain theory about Burnham and Spock.
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/soneq...o-to-a-certain-theory-about-burnham-and-spock