Opinion The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate-based scam...

[VivaRevolution]

I'll plead ignorance.

What have they done to promote the 2nd and why types of religious freedoms where they defending?

Just off the top of my head, there was a pretty big case not long ago involving two high school students being suspended from school for posting a video on Facebook of shooting at a gun range. The ACLU defended them.

 

[Happy Man]

People of right-wing persuasion better wise up.

The ACLU is the GOAT.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/aclus-longstanding-commitment-defending-speech-we-hate

The ACLU, the nation’s oldest and largest civil liberties organization, has always had its share of critics. Many condemned us for defending Nazis’ right to march in Skokie in the 1970s. Some, like former Attorney General Ed Meese, labeled us the “criminals’ lobby” for advocating for constitutional rights for those accused of crime.

We earned few friends when we represented Anwar al-Awlaki, an American citizen suspected of terrorist ties and killed in a drone strike by the Obama administration. After we represented a white supremacist denied a permit by the city of Charlottesville, we were criticized for defending white supremacists.

Such criticism comes with the territory, and does not dissuade us from defending the Bill of Rights, no matter how unpopular our clients may be.

But Wendy Kaminer’s criticism, published in the Wall Street Journal, is different from those challenges to our work. Her critique is predicated on a fundamental misrepresentation. She falsely accuses the ACLU of having secretly changed its policy regarding free speech — and of launching an investigation to determine who “leaked” the “secret” document that she claims reveals this asserted change in policy.

In fact, the ACLU remains fully committed to defending free speech as the document she cites – our guidelines for case selection -- expressly reaffirms. That document does not change our longstanding policies and has never been secret.

After the tragic events in Charlottesville, we reaffirmed our commitment to defending speech with which we disagree. The ACLU Board — the only entity with the authority to change ACLU policy — discussed Charlottesville, and no one on the staff or the board asked the board to change our policies.

Nonetheless, it seemed clear to us that guidelines would help ACLU affiliates and national staff in considering cases that might pose conflicts between our values. We are a multi-issue organization, and some cases may present conflicts, such as between gay rights and religious freedom, privacy and women’s rights, or speech rights and equality. The guidelines, which have been distributed to all ACLU staff members, are explicitly designed to help affiliates and national staff think through various factors in case selection decisions.

And if you don’t believe our words, judge us by our acts. We represent Milo Yiannopoulos in a suit against the Washington, D.C. Metro system for suppressing ads for his book. We are defending a student group in San Diego that was penalized for publishing a satire of “safe spaces” that some students and faculty deem offensive.

We disagree sharply with those who engage in terrorism, criminal activity, homophobic or racist speech, or attempts to dissuade women from obtaining abortions. Yet we have defended the constitutional rights of terrorists, criminals, anti-gay and racist bigots, and right-to-life advocates. We don’t burn flags, but we defend the rights of those who do. Indeed, we’ll even defend Kaminer’s right to criticize the ACLU. But we do wish she’d get the facts straight.

They used to do a good job. Now they are woke. And no longer support “free speech”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-aclu-retreats-from-free-expression-1529533065

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ves-up-on-free-speech-and-the-first-amendment

Goodbye ACLU

 

[cincymma79]

I want to see if you can find a leftist here that will defend the SPLC.

They lost me when they started calling anyone who criticizes Israel as part of a hate group.

All it took was someone defending Jews to turn you around huh
Well color the rest of us shocked

 

[VivaRevolution]

They used to do a good job. Now they are woke. And no longer support “free speech”

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-aclu-retreats-from-free-expression-1529533065

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...ves-up-on-free-speech-and-the-first-amendment

Goodbye ACLU

Dude, this is your source criticizing the ACLU.

"Last summer the ACLU took up the case of white supremacists who wished to hold a rally at a public park in Charlottesville, Va., after city officials tried to shut down the event. The ACLU prevailed legally, as they should have under the First Amendment."

 

[Happy Man]

Dude, this is your source criticizing the ACLU.

"Last summer the ACLU took up the case of white supremacists who wished to hold a rally at a public park in Charlottesville, Va., after city officials tried to shut down the event. The ACLU prevailed legally, as they should have under the First Amendment."

Yep. And read about the internal memo where they give up on free speech and the 1st amendment

 

[Happy Man]

All it took was someone defending Jews to turn you around huh
Well color the rest of us shocked

I think he means they run defense for isreal. Which makes sense, many ACLU leaders are jewish and criticism of isreal is off limits.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Yep. And read about the internal memo where they give up on free speech and the 1st amendment

But the article accuses them of doing this for decades, when just last year they were literally defending nazi's.

You want me to claim the ACLU has never caved to political pressure? Of course they have.

But as soon as that immediate shit storm abates, they go back to doing what the ACLU does.

Every other example in the article, has competing liberties involved.

 

[ElKarlo]

Who doesn't like white babies?

The left and if you use their search, Google.

 

[MicroBrew]

Interesting take given it's from an insider. Of course, any objective person could see the SPLC for what it is. But interesting to hear someone who knows speak the truth. The ACLU is one in the same. A complete racket. A liberal political entity. A scam.


U.S. USA TODAY Opinion
The Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate-based scam that nearly caused me to be murdered
After internal challenges with discrimination, the Southern Poverty Law Center can't call itself an arbiter of justice.

While I agree that SPLC is a shitty org. , I disagree the ACLU is the same.
If you had said the ADL is a racist org. , I would agree. They are closely linked with the SPLC. While the SPLC has been getting bad press, the ADL hasn't.

 

[uppercutbus]

LOL, are there actually people outside the loony bin that takes the SPLC seriously?
So full of shit, they could fertilize the Sahara.

War Room leftists assured me this was a legit source for white nationalism terrorism being the biggest threat.

https://forums.sherdog.com/posts/154138137/

 

[JonesBones]

The SPLC has defended the constitutional rights of literal white supremacists on multiple occasions? They aren't one in the same, period.

Too bad it can't support non supremacist whites and asians when it comes to affirmative action. They care less about the rights of white people. I agree they are better than SPLC, but that is saying nothing.

The ACLU Racial Justice Program actively supports affirmative action to secure racial diversity in a number of settings to help ensure equal opportunities for all people. Affirmative action is one of the most effective tools for redressing the injustices caused by our nation’s historic discrimination against people of color and women, and for leveling what has long been an uneven playing field. A centuries-long legacy of racism and sexism has not been eradicated despite the gains made during the civil rights era. Avenues of opportunity for those previously excluded remain far too narrow. We need affirmative action now more than ever.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/racial-justice/affirmative-action

 

[JonesBones]

Proven by their repeated defense of religious rights, and 2nd amendment rights.

@PHATV I hope this is just ignorance on your part, but i strongly encourage you to look into what a defender of rights, in a non-partisan way, the ACLU still is.

They surely have some bias in their press releases, but as far as legal action, in defense of every Americans rights, they shouldn't be slandered.

Would you consider their defense of affirmative action non partisan and defending of rights equally?

 

[MicroBrew]

All it took was someone defending Jews to turn you around huh
Well color the rest of us shocked

None of us should be shocked that you would again smear critics of Israel as anti Semitic.

So then:
Criticizing Islam and Islamic nations = Islamophobic, racist
Criticizing China's genocidal behavior / its government = racist / Anti Han racism
Criticizing Germany's past = anti Teutonic racism
Criticizing Japan's imperial past and criticizing some of its politicians visiting Yakazumi shrine = anti Japanese racism

 

[oldshadow]

They basically list anyone that disagree with their views on anything as a hate group.

As far a the ACLU sure they do good work on some things but they only defend rights they like. Talk to me when the defend the 2nd amendment. In fact they support the wearing of it.

 

[MicroBrew]

Too bad it can't support non supremacist whites and asians when it comes to affirmative action. They care less about the rights of white people. I agree they are better than SPLC, but that is saying nothing.

The ACLU Racial Justice Program actively supports affirmative action to secure racial diversity in a number of settings to help ensure equal opportunities for all people. Affirmative action is one of the most effective tools for redressing the injustices caused by our nation’s historic discrimination against people of color and women, and for leveling what has long been an uneven playing field. A centuries-long legacy of racism and sexism has not been eradicated despite the gains made during the civil rights era. Avenues of opportunity for those previously excluded remain far too narrow. We need affirmative action now more than ever.

https://www.aclu.org/issues/racial-justice/affirmative-action

You do realize that by pure numbers, Whites are the largest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action.
You do realize that some Whites are eligible for Affirmative Action.

 

[JonesBones]

You do realize that by pure numbers, Whites are the largest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action.
You do realize that some Whites are eligible for Affirmative Action.

Who are the biggest losers?

Once again, punishing success. Lowering standards for pet groups. Left wing traits.

They used to have a Jew limit at Harvard. lol. Probably the same thing for Asians.

Can't let Asians and Jews continue to run up the score on you losers.

<Lmaoo>

 

[Bald1]

None of us should be shocked that you would again smear critics of Israel as anti Semitic.

So then:
Criticizing Islam and Islamic nations = Islamophobic, racist
Criticizing China's genocidal behavior / its government = racist / Anti Han racism
Criticizing Germany's past = anti Teutonic racism
Criticizing Japan's imperial past and criticizing some of its politicians visiting Yakazumi shrine = anti Japanese racism

Bingo! Conflating identity with ideology and actions is a shell game. So counterproductive and intellectually lazy.

 

[AFewDollarsMore]

They rebuttaled:
https://www.splcenter.org/news/2019/08/17/splc-responds-frc-and-adfs-attack-op-ed

FRC is listed as an anti-LGBTQ hate group by the SPLC for its demonizing rhetoric about the LGBTQ community. FRC portrays LGBTQ people as sick, evil, perverted, incestuous and a danger to the nation. It has linked being gay with pedophilia, an incendiary claim that pours fuel on the fires of hate – but one that has been thoroughly debunked by the American Psychological Association.

ADF is also listed as an anti-LGBTQ hate group. ADF has supported the idea that being LGBTQ should be a crime in the U.S. and abroad and believes that is okay to put LGBTQ people in prison for engaging in consensual sex. It has also supported the forced sterilization of transgender Europeans. Like FRC, ADF also spreads harmful lies, including linking being gay to pedophilia and claiming that a 'homosexual agenda' will destroy society. ADF tries to couch its rhetoric in benign sounding phrases, but the truth is that they work to dehumanize and restrict the rights of LGBTQ people for being who they are.

"FRC routinely demonizes and spreads ugly lies about the LGBTQ community,” said Heidi Beirich, director of SPLC’s Intelligence Project. “It is an extremely dangerous group not only because of its intent to denigrate LGBTQ people, but because it has direct access to the White House and Members of Congress. For instance, its so-called policy experts often testify before government bodies, where they peddle junk science to support their harmful and divisive policies to further exclude and marginalize LGBTQ individuals. Anti-LGBTQ hate has no place in our country. If FRC had its way, we’d return to the days when LGBTQ people were afraid to live authentically and faced the risk of being jailed for being who they are."





The SPLC defines a hate group as an organization that, based on its official statements or principles, the statements of its leaders, or its activities, has beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristics. The organizations on our hate group list vilify others because of their race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation or gender identity — prejudices that strike at the heart of our democratic values and fracture society along its most fragile fault lines. The FBI uses similar criteria in its definition of a hate crime.

 

[NoDak]

Who doesn't like white babies?

The left and if you use their search, Google.

The (far) left maybe. I think white babies are adorable, used to be one. And then a select handful grow up to become handsome, hard-bodied white males. There's nobody on this forum who loves those more than I do, that's a fucking fact.

 

[MicroBrew]

Who are the biggest losers?

Once again, punishing success. Lowering standards for pet groups. Left wing traits.

They used to have a Jew limit at Harvard. lol. Probably the same thing for Asians.

Can't let Asians and Jews continue to run up the score on you losers.

<Lmaoo>

Don't try to deflect. Racists always associate AA with Blacks, ignoring that plenty of Whites get AA.