The Sad Case of Renan Barao

I agree with you TS... But i think to warrant an immediate rematch it must be a close razor thing fight or draw i.e; Jones v Gus or Edgar v Maynard 2.

Barao is the most credible fighter at BW but he got destroyed. It was not like it was a serra gsp type knockout that everyone says was a fluke and he deserved an immediate rematch.. Which he didnt get. This was a domination from start to finish, and TJ didnt even have a full camp. I think barao should have had a fight in between imo. Now if barao wins we are looking at yet another rematch which to me a trilogy is more appealing when done with space between a la chuck and randy trilogy. As a fan i am sick of everytime a champ gets beat it means i have to watch a rematch of the same fight. Guys sit on the sidelines and miss an oppurtunity. It is all about timing and style vs style. We saw TJs style vs baraos and it happened at the right time. Would have liked to see Assuncao a guy who has beat TJ get a shot and TJ get a chance at redemption. But Baraos dominance and difinitive credibility is what got the rematch. I certainly have not forgotten the Monster he is.
 
I have no pity on him considering he got destroyed for 5 rounds but still got an immediate rematch.
 
The melodrama of Barao fans is too much.

Nobody is saying Barao has to go the back of the line. Barao's WEC and UFC run( most don't put much stock in his fights before then) warrants a high placing in the division and a shorter road to a title shot(maybe even just one fight). Nobody is saying different. It does not warrant an immediate rematch in any way. 6 career top 10 wins including 3 title defenses isn't some monumental run though it is respectable ofc. BTW finding his chances in the rematch to be low in the rematch does that mean that "everyone is discrediting Barao or calling him a bum", that's a dumb narrative that also being pushed. The same as saying people that gave JDS a low chance in the third fight with Cain were discrediting JDS or calling him a bum. The only thing that's been putting down Renan is the criticism of the hype of him being P4P#1 which is understandable, Dana went all out with the marketing campaign for him and it backfired. That doesn't mean he isn't very well rounded and skilled either.

When the first fight is an absolute thrashing and the champ is finished with resume Renan has it's mindboggling to set up an instant rematch.

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It would have been like giving Tim an instant rematch. Sure you might say Sylvia's record wasn't as pristine as Barao but their dominance as champ was similar and he had more top wins then than Renan does now.

The shorter camp isn't reasonable to bring up with how quick the Faber rematch fight was and the fact this TJ/Barao rematch will also be with the same timeframe. Bringing up that TJ got the shot as an injury replacement does not change things, he wasn't coming off a horribly lopsided loss.

This situation is pretty much treating the BW champ's dominant win as a fluke. People actually believe it was just an off night as if Renan wasn't 1-2 steps behind TJ even before the knockdown and as if the knockdown wasn't a set up counter but rather some wild haymaker. There isn't enough time to close the holes that were exposed. That doesn't mean he can't win but nothing that happens can invalidate Dillashaw's win and the odds are that it's actually backed up in the rematch and the former champ is put in limbo like JDS.
 
hto63 said:
sorry but the immediate rematch is bullshit.
The UFC is setting too many bad precedents, it's not about Barao although this is a perfect situation actually because it's so clear and unfair.

So what if he beat up a bunch of cans previously? There is no denying he is a special fighter but the only thing that matters in respect to an IMMEDIATE rematch is if there was controversy in the first fight.

You say Barao "deserves" an immediate rematch based on factors entirely unrelated to the fight he just lost.

So explain to me how TJ Dillashaw, the man who came in as a massive underdog and was able to completely outclass the champ who was thought of as unbeatable "deserves" to have his once-in-a-lifetime performance devalued, his championship trivialized and his efforts shat upon just because his opponent had a nice record before he joined the UFC?

Why does he have to beat the champ twice to be the new champ when there was no controversy whatsoever in the first fight? How can you not smell that bullshit? Seriously.
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^^^this.

It is not about Barao for me. No fighter in his spot should get an immediate rematch and if that is the precedent then before the UFC should announce 'should the under dog win this will be a best of 3 series, should the champ win it is one and done'.
 
Do-overs only happen when a marketing favorite loses and the org tries to time travel backwards to undo the loss. So they discredit the win and do an insta-rematch.

Happened with Cung Le and Scott Smith in SF.
Happened with Anderson and Weidman in UFC.
Happening with Barao and TJ in UFC.

All three cases the first guy was promoted to hell and back by the promoter. All three cases the president of the company discredited the win of the other guy afterwards while promoting a rematch. Independent of the do-over... I disliked the promotion of Le and I was a big fan of Weidman so I wanted the marketing favorite to lose in both instances. This time I have no ulterior motives though.

Despite having nothing against Barao and having no favoritism for TJ I will root for TJ just to discourage the UFCs tendency of do-overs.

A do-over is never fitting in any circumstance IMO. BS move. Keep in mind a do-over it isn't just an insta-rematch. It is an insta-rematch DUE TO ONE PERSON BEING A MARKETING DARLING AND also with OUTWARDLY DISCREDITING THE WIN OF YOUR NEW CHAMP.
 
Dodson should slide up a weight class, beat TJ's ass and knock him out again real quick, and become champ just for fun.

He could beat Mighty Mouse or Barao, but he would walk through TJ again and that would be the easiest way for him to wear gold
 
Unfortunately, the saying "You are as good as your last fight" seems to be true. And I think Thread.
 
No hate for Barao.
One loss does not make him a "bum" by any stretch of the imagination.
He still doesn't "deserve" an immediate rematch.
 
SocraticMethod said:
No hate for Barao.
One loss does not make him a "bum" by any stretch of the imagination.
He still doesn't "deserve" an immediate rematch.
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Agreed, this is a well balanced answer my friend. I want Barao to get the belt back, but not like this.
 
TheGOD said:
Barao should have taken a page out of Jon Jones' book. Do not take short notice fights as the champion. Preparation is paramount. He put the UFC ahead of himself.
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That's what makes it sad. He did the 'right' thing, and is besmirched because of it.
 
VIP1349 said:
TJ was booked to fight Takeya on that card, on Febuary 26/27th or some shit, Barao stepped in a month later so TJ had been training a month.

Had to change what he was doing? Sure. But had more time to prepare none the less, that's not really the point though. That factors into it sure.

But a guy who didn't deserve the title shot but got it out of circumstance, who dominates the champion who had one bad night since 2005. How is it fair to say that TJ deserved that fight after literally beating Easton, that's it. While Barao after all he's done doesn't deserve it after one loss?

It's foolish to me and doesn't make any sense. Barao did TJ and the UFC a favor by stepping up on short notice, so TJ and the UFC can do Barao a favor by giving him a rematch if he wants it.
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just curious how you think that 1 month would have changed anything? He got rocked early in the 1st which snowballed, it had nothing to do with his lack of gameplan, lack of conditioning, lack of time to study dillashaw, etc. he got rocked, couldnt recover and shut-out the rest of the fight, he could have trained for a year and had the same outcome.
 
PrinceOfPain said:
That's what makes it sad. He did the 'right' thing, and is besmirched because of it.
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He's got plenty of time to prepare this time. He's fine, the UFC hooked him up with a rematch so it's no biggie. We'll see who is really better (barring there is no controversial decision or freak injury).
 
Are people really saying Barao is a can?
Given how one sided the first fight was I think the objections are over the immediate rematch.

Dillashaw was ranked #4 or #5 for UFC fighters, that is close to a title fight. Plus Barao had already beaten Wineland, Faber and MacDonald. You should be able to understand why Dillashaw was close to a title fight and why he got this title shot.


And Dillashaw's and Barao's training time tables aren't an excuse. It isn't a fighter's fault if he keeps training outside of camps when his opponent(s) slack off.
 
Shocktagon said:
He's not a bum who doesn't deserve an immediate rematch. He's an incredibly talented former champion who was thoroughly and decisively dethroned who doesn't deserve an immediate rematch.
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This right here. I haven't seen much on here where anyone said otherwise
 
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