The Road to Wing Chun applied in Combat Sports

[shincheckin]

It won't be for some time, and I don't necessarily disagree with you on that.
I wouldn't be the sole trainer so I would make sure to involve people who have experience in BK especially if we wanted to go the BK route so any training I did would be part of a team and starting with amateur fights to work up.

I will be creating a heavy sparring culture by that time so I will be fighting on that level with them and testing the methods and bringing in boxers and others, and I wouldn't put someone in there unless they got to a good level first and I and others who had fought felt they could do it.
It is just an idea at this point and depends on me having a school in future and creating that sparring culture.

I don't have enough time to commit that level of training to be entering fights at this stage so I won't do it just to prove a point and I'm not going to do it unless I could give 100% to it. But contributing training as part of a team may be possible in future.


You haven't shot holes in anything.
You just have a limited, stereotype of WC and haven't seen the real thing so when you do see it like Alan Orrs guys or Ferg using WC techniques or strategy (crossover or not) you don't know what to do.

Sure bud. Well see where WC is 20 years from now.

Have a good one

 

[TheMaster]

Pak sau sounds alot like WC way of saying parry the jab and jab with your own. This is a staple of any sport that involves punching. It's done with pillows all the time.

I don't see how you cannot relate this to your pak sau.


Regarding your statements of boxing not carrying over to mma?

Mma striking is a hand dominant style of striking. Yeah they use everything but its hand heavy. All the punching techniques they are using are boxing.

I think you may have meant why aren't there any high level pro boxers transitioning into mma?
Well they are 2 different sports, someone great at boxing can't just fight mma without spending years of training bjj, mt, and wrestling, to even have a solid enough base to compete, at least to have a shot at high level pro anyways. But dude c'mon so many mma guys cross train boxing, it's a staple of mma. Boxing is 100% a part of mma. Its probably also worth mentioning that much like me, the boxing community has a bias against mma.

Here's the head coach of Roy Jones jr. Gym in Vegas. Here's randy couture working with him

Gray Maynard

And myself, you can see me doing a "pak sau " at 1:45 in 16oz pillows

Sorry I don't see your ''pak sau'.
The most obvious differences in the first clip are that they don't enter to do a simultaneous counter punch or intercepting punch. It is all still one-two.

If you want to see Pak sau as simply a parrying hand or arm without the typical WC strategy to close distance and counter at the same time, then yes it can be related.

I mentioned that WC needs to be adapted to long range more and not necessarily always going in so that's one of the differences we would see more similar parries to the ones you showed.

 

[DoctorTaco]

@TheMaster reading through this all I’m curious what you’re doing to further the cause of your art. Why not find some young up and coming amateur mma fighter and teach him the ways of WC? show the world
Through real world application all of the principles you preach.

 

[SandaKicker]

It sounds like you have shares in Wing Chun @TheMaster

 

[aerius]

@TheMaster reading through this all I’m curious what you’re doing to further the cause of your art. Why not find some young up and coming amateur mma fighter and teach him the ways of WC? show the world
Through real world application all of the principles you preach.

Because that would be work, and far harder than trying to bullshit people on the internet.
And deep down, he knows he will fail.

 

[Woldog]

Why do WC guys always get knocked the fuck out when they come into "boxing range"? Asking for a friend.

 

[j123]

It sounds like you have shares in Wing Chun @TheMaster

How much is a share?

 

[TheMaster]

Sure bud. Well see where WC is 20 years from now.

Have a good one

No need to wait, we have it here now.
Will keep just posting proof thats already here.

WC in boxing rules


And some training ideas

 

[aerius]

No need to wait, we have it here now.
Will keep just posting proof thats already here.

WC in boxing rules


And some training ideas

 

[DoctorTaco]

No need to wait, we have it here now.
Will keep just posting proof thats already here.

WC in boxing rules


And some training ideas

i see him trying to box behind a double pillar guard. can you give us time stamps Of specific WC techniques Used in the bout?
Also holy shit who taped that mans hands?

 

[Woldog]

 

[TheMaster]

i see him trying to box behind a double pillar guard. can you give us time stamps Of specific WC techniques Used in the bout?
Also holy shit who taped that mans hands?

No, it's not about 'specific WC techniques'.
WC is a way to prepare for fighting, like boxing is. There are many techniques and strategies many of which look outwardly the same as standard boxing or MT.
Boxing rules and gloves will make it look even more like normal boxing.

The WC influence most clearly is the forward pressure and the parrying he does.
But it's not about techniques, WC is itself a form of 'boxing' so of course it will look like 'boxing'.

 

[TheMaster]

Why is he in a red karate suite if he is a Wing Chun guy?

 

[DoctorTaco]

No, it's not about 'specific WC techniques'.
WC is a way to prepare for fighting, like boxing is. There are many techniques and strategies many of which look outwardly the same as standard boxing or MT.
Boxing rules and gloves will make it look even more like normal boxing.

The WC influence most clearly is the forward pressure and the parrying he does.
But it's not about techniques, WC is itself a form of 'boxing' so of course it will look like 'boxing'.

so by the transitive property of combat sports, Lopez and loma were using WC in that title fight last night?

 

[zapataxiv]

One thing I can guarantee is I know a hell of alot more about boxing than you or anyone else here knows about WC. Yet that doesn't stop ignorant like you making uniformed pronouncements that you are sure WC doesn't work,based in having very little knowledge of it.

You are just trying to be irritating and sound like a smart ass for the sake of it, when you are far from it.

Boxing is usually fought at a range. This is closer than the parameters of kickboxing range, and further than grappling range.

It doesn't matter that there is some variation in distance we understand the principle of ranges still applies.
We know there can be in-fighting and out-fighting, and clinching. Don't overcomplicate things.

But hey, what do I know. We should hail you ,
you can advice pro GOATs even I think.

Forgive me, for speaking about 'boxing range' and 'kickboxing range'.

Don't forget to tell these guys as well.



https://www.espn.com/mma/story/_/id...handles-nick-diaz-defends-ufc-170-pound-title

"I didn't want to fight at a boxing range because he's the best boxer in mixed martial arts", St.Pierre said.
"[The strategy] was to stay in a kickboxing range," St-Pierre said. "Stay out of a boxing range and use my karate to get in and out."

Im sorry about your wasted time a mile in the wrong direction is better than 1000.
I dont know much about WC but i do know some about kung fu, i live in china and my best friend here is a part of the jing wu lineage with an old school eagle claw master. So you can shove that “im a TMA guy getting picked on by “athletes”vs “martial arts” rhetoric up your culo.
Boxing is not typically fought at any range it is once again dynamic. You are just proving my original point which is you dont know about boxing and you take these buzz words thrown around on these boards and online and run with them. Your definition is not close to the actual definition.

 

[zapataxiv]

so by the transitive property of combat sports, Lopez and loma were using WC in that title fight last night?

Imagine if loma knew long bridge boxing 99% of boxers dont know it, and it emphasizes destroying opponents not just playing hand tag while standing in “punching range”

 

[nefti]

Guys are like nadia comaneci on this thread, its impressive the mental and verbal flips and tricks they do to defend bullsihdo.

 

[RabbitPunch36]

Guys are like nadia comaneci on this thread, its impressive the mental and verbal flips and tricks they do to defend bullsihdo.

Guys or guy?

 

[TheMaster]

so by the transitive property of combat sports, Lopez and loma were using WC in that title fight last night?

A punch will look like a punch.
I doubt that, especially in boxing gloves you could recognize a 'WC uppercut' compared to a 'boxing uppercut', likewise for a hook,straight, or some parries.

But the mechanics are different and use of force, angles it also depends alot on the fighter.
Bottom line - vid posted shows a guy trained in WC, not boxing, whooping a boxer in a boxing rules fight.
It is what it is.

It is WC he is using and trained in, and it can look like that.

 

[Woldog]

A punch will look like a punch.
I doubt that, especially in boxing gloves you could recognize a 'WC uppercut' compared to a 'boxing uppercut', likewise for a hook,straight, or some parries.

But the mechanics are different and use of force, angles it also depends alot on the fighter.
Bottom line - vid posted shows a guy trained in WC, not boxing, whooping a boxer in a boxing rules fight.
It is what it is.

It is WC he is using and trained in, and it can look like that.

No what's he using is boxing. Just because he studys WC doesn't mean that he never learned boxing lmao. Basically what you have described is called "angles" so by your definition of people using unorthodox angles must = WC I guess Manny Pacquiao is the WC champion of the world.