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Law THE POLICE SHOOTING/USE OF FORCE MEGATHREAD: discussions to determine if justified or not
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Nah, I got better things to do than argue with a rent a cop.
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Did I call this, or did I call this? I said many posts ago that someone would come in here and try and call me out on an unjustified police shooting. I have said since the word go that that shooting was a complete travesty of justice and murder.
Why don’t you try picking apart one of the actual cases in this thread?
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I had zero options when I retired. I had to have the surgery if I didn’t want to risk losing the use of my legs. In my state, the code says that you can’t be a police officer or firefighter with a fused spine
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Ok. Run like the rest of them. You came in here on your own to call me out. I’m here and you’re pussing out. Pathetic
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I didn't examine any of the cases you provided. I was also unfamiliar with your stance on this case. I just know the officer got no jail time so it was justified in the eyes of someone.
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Well, it wasn’t me that thought it justified
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Ma’khia Bryant, Columbus, Ohio
While the rest of the world was learning that derek chauvin was being convicted by a jury for the murder of George Floyd, a 16 year old black teenager in Columbus, Ohio was being shot by a police officer.
She never got to celebrate that news. ben crump immediately tweeted that another unarmed black baby was shot and killed by a white police officer. For some strange reason, he deleted this tweet. lebron james posted a picture of the police officer and said “you’re next!” Maybe he meant “you’re the next to die” or maybe he meant “you’re the next to be arrested and convicted like chauvin.” Who knows?
Bryant was a foster child being raised with a bunch of other foster children. She was reportedly told to clean her room or something, and an argument broke out at the house. Some of the former residents of this home soon came over and began arguing with Bryant about doing her share of the cleaning. The argument escalated. What happened next is contested. According to Bryant’s family, she is the one that called police. According to others, someone else places the call and indicated that someone was threatening people at the house with a knife.
Police arrived and immediately observed a scene of total chaos. They observed Bryant attack one woman(more on that in a bit) and then attempt to stab another (a woman in bright pink and one of the former foster kids at this residence) forcing officer Nicolas Reardon, to shoot her four times, killing her. The reaction was immediate. “She’s a kid!” someone shouts. The protests were almost immediate and while police were still on scene investigating, there was a crowd yelling at them and blocking the road. The usual complaints and observations and suggestions came out “why didn’t they use less lethal-a taser?” “Why didn’t he shoot her in the leg?” “Why did he shoot her without trying to de-escalate the situation like they would with white people?” “Why did he shoot her in the back?” “Why didn’t he just grab her?” I will get into all of that shortly.
“Bryant was killed in April by Columbus police officer Nicholas Reardon as she swung a knife at a young woman, just seconds after pushing another woman to the ground. Bryant was Black and Reardon is white.(highlighted because it is the most important information according to every media story that stresses this fact) Police were responding to a 911 call made from Bryant's foster home about a group of girls threatening to stab members of the household. Despite claims by her own family that the caller was Ma’khia herself (she called police for help and instead they killed her) it was later determined that it was her younger sister that made the call.
The killing led to a Justice Department review of the police department in Ohio's capital city.”
At her funeral, the pastor had this to say: "We'll get Ma'Khia back when police training changes," he said. "We'll get Ma'Khia back when white officers don't see Black skin as a threat to them. We'll get Ma'Khia back when we learn how to de-escalate, when we learn how to talk, when we learn how to communicate."
Here is the video of the incident. It shows an extremely volatile scene upon the police arrival. It then shows Bryant running from inside the house and she swings her knife at a woman, missing, but still knocking her to the ground. A black male then kicks this female in the face. It is Bryant’s biological “father” who can show up when it’s time to be violent but couldn’t show up any other time in this girl’s life. Bryant then goes after a woman in pink and she gets pinned up against a vehicle and Bryant raises her knife to bring it down in a stabbing motion forcing the officer to shoot her. Immediately after, Bryant’s father, Myron hammons, begins yelling at the officer that he is stupid and she was just a kid. Then other community members begin yelling at him. He says “she came at her with a knife” and one guy calls him a liar and says he saw the whole thing. A supervisor tells him to stop talking to them, but it would be really hard to just stand there and let someone in the crowd get others riled up without defending yourself. The scene is very volatile and the protest begins immediately and lasted for a week, even after the video comes out. The calls for deescalation or using a taser instead or shoot in the air (joy behar) or shoot her in the leg. An article I reference at the end from vox, even declares that the officer put others at risk by shooting Bryant (um, no he didn’t-she was huge and unmissable), but that article is absurd garbage-it also says that a social worker would have been able to deescalate the situation as well. Yeah, ok.
Police are trained to NEVER USE A TASER IN A LETHAL FORCE SITUATION unless you have lethal cover. This was the only officer on scene and if that taser fails, you have a dead victim instead of the suspect. You don’t ever fire warning shots or shoot in the leg. Ever.
Things I find interesting about this story.
The foster care system.
Bryant was in foster care because she was taken from her mother for some reason. According to articles I read, that reason was physical and mental abuse. Neighbors reported hearing loud fights and the children would run out of the house crying and calling for help. Their father was not involved in their lives. (More on that in a moment) Bryant and her 3 younger siblings went to live with their grandmother, and she tried her best, but finances and having the room to house 4 children was very difficult. Eventually, she got $1200 from the state for caring for the four children (more on that in a moment) but the grandmother’s landlord found out she was housing four kids and kicked her out and she became homeless and couldn’t keep the kids, so they got shuffled around in the foster system. Now, I will really try not to get off on too much of a tangent here, but the woman that ended up with the four siblings (along with multiple other children) was offered 10 times more financial assistance to care for the children because she was not their blood kin. While fostering a child can often be a selfless act of love, for some, it is a lucrative hustle and there are numerous horror stories where kids are abused or neglected and the only reason they are being “cared for” by a certain person is because raising a foster kid equals more money in your pocket. If you skimp on their food, or clothing for example, you end up making money on the deal. The woman that the Bryants ended up with had at least six kids living there at the time. We’re they grifting the system? I don’t know.
The family’s outrage. The community response.
Pamela Bryant, Ma’Khia’s birth mother, has been blaming it only the police, but also the foster care system-claiming both took her daughter from her. Are you fucking kidding me? The system took 4/5 kids from her because she was abusive. The 5th was actually an adult male from another baby-daddy that lived with her and according to his half-siblings, was abusive towards them as well.
ben crump’s tweet seen by millions:
“As we breathed a collective sigh of relief today, a community in Columbus felt the sting of another police shooting as @ColumbusPolice killed an unarmed 15yo Black girl named Makiyah Bryant," Crump said.
"Another child lost! Another hashtag," he added, followed by the hashtag: #JusticeForMakiyahBryant
The girl’s biological father was extremely angry at the officer for shooting his daughter, as every father would be expected to be. However, this fucking turd had reportedly little contact with any of his 4 children (with this woman-who knows how many others) so he’s no father. He shows up when it’s time for violence and he could have broken up the fight at any point, but no-he actually takes part in the violence and kicks one of the girls in the face after his tank of a daughter tried to stab her. So fuck him.
Various celebrities and media criticized the officer for not deescalting the incident. He tried. He gave commands and no one listened. They said he should have used a taser or tackled her. She was large and had a knife, plus distance was an issue. And those same critics even make the claim that the officer would have responded differently if these were white people (see vox article below) and the officer wouldn’t have had his gun out. First, the call was of people trying to stab other people. That calls for a gun. Second, they reference the usuals-Dylan roof and others, mass murdering white males taken alive-however, they surrendered and were not actively attacking anyone at the time the officers arrived. That is a huge distinction. Huge!
Here’s a story on the grio that ranges from insightful to outright nonsense on Bryant’s ordeal. But the last few lines are priceless. The author found a way to blame both white people and the cops while failing to blame Bryant’s mother for her role in all of this-though maybe, she was gently addressing her when she said we need to stop driving our children into the hands of the racist system. Oh, and Bryant had a sharp ass steak knife, not a fucking butter knife.
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We can rightly blame systemic racism and trigger-happy cops. But Black folks must also begin to have some hard conversations about how we can stop priming our children to fall victim to these systemic traps in this racist, spiritually dead culture that requires the blood of our children to perpetuate itself.
We can’t change white people. We can’t reform this system. We’ve been at this death game for centuries with them. But our energies should be focused on helping our children survive this gauntlet of oppression so that they don’t have to pick up butter knives to defend themselves, like Ma‘Kiah Bryant had to do.”
https://thegrio.com/2021/04/23/makhia-bryant-foster-system-black-children/
An article from the guardian that calls Columbus police a “rogue department” and immediately latched onto the fact that the officer involved here had only been on the the dept less than two years-as if that makes this shooting unjustified. The article points to Bryant and lists Bryant among four other juveniles killed by police. I plan to look each of those up to see what the backstory is rather than just steam over five juveniles being shot by cpd in the last five years. Also, I am not defending cpd, because of the past few years, they had one of the worst police shootings imo, Andre Hill, which was a really bad one.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/26/ma-khia-bryant-columbus-ohio-police
crump and news media getting called out for lying
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2747852/benjamin-crump-makhia-bryant-unarmed-knife/
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-washington-post-columbus-police-shooting-makhia-bryant
The daily beast claimed that Bryant was defending herself from being jumped, had called 911 to ask for help, and had dropped the knife on the ground prior to police arriving. They even quoted her aunt, hazel bryant, who stated that she was glad that family was there to see that she was unarmed and no threat to anyone because the police are going to lie-that’s what police do, they lie.
The washington post, npr, and ny times reported the same thing-unarmed black female shot by police. The next day, even after the video had come out, they mentioned Bryant was “holding” a knife in her hand, but made no mention that she was in the act of actively trying to kill someone with it.
Though this article takes the fucking cake here:
https://www.vox.com/22406055/makhia-bryant-police-shooting-columbus-ohio
“Bryant’s death has become a debate that questions a child’s actions — and worthiness to live — instead of another example of the racism of policing and the institution’s failure to provide wholesome support, care, and safety for the communities it serves. The insistence that Reardon had no other option than to take Bryant’s life to save others — though he risked everyone’s life in the process — displays the lack of consideration and value that society places on the lives of Black girls and women.
“It’s also worth considering whether the police officer would have fired shots if Bryant or the people involved in the altercation were white. There are countless examples of police peacefully apprehending white boys and men wielding weapons.
“These ideas go back to slave patrols, progenitors of policing in the United States. It was Black women who were on “wanted” posters for escaping, Lindsey explained — like, for example, Harriet Tubman, who would have been killed by patrols for defying the state. And as Michelle F. Jacobs wrote in “The Violent State: Black Women’s Invisible Struggle Against Police Violence,” both Black men and women were killed, maimed and mutilated at the will of slave holders, but Black women were violently raped and sexually abused by both the slave holder and his employees as an economic necessity.
While the rest of the world was learning that derek chauvin was being convicted by a jury for the murder of George Floyd, a 16 year old black teenager in Columbus, Ohio was being shot by a police officer.
She never got to celebrate that news. ben crump immediately tweeted that another unarmed black baby was shot and killed by a white police officer. For some strange reason, he deleted this tweet. lebron james posted a picture of the police officer and said “you’re next!” Maybe he meant “you’re the next to die” or maybe he meant “you’re the next to be arrested and convicted like chauvin.” Who knows?
Bryant was a foster child being raised with a bunch of other foster children. She was reportedly told to clean her room or something, and an argument broke out at the house. Some of the former residents of this home soon came over and began arguing with Bryant about doing her share of the cleaning. The argument escalated. What happened next is contested. According to Bryant’s family, she is the one that called police. According to others, someone else places the call and indicated that someone was threatening people at the house with a knife.
Police arrived and immediately observed a scene of total chaos. They observed Bryant attack one woman(more on that in a bit) and then attempt to stab another (a woman in bright pink and one of the former foster kids at this residence) forcing officer Nicolas Reardon, to shoot her four times, killing her. The reaction was immediate. “She’s a kid!” someone shouts. The protests were almost immediate and while police were still on scene investigating, there was a crowd yelling at them and blocking the road. The usual complaints and observations and suggestions came out “why didn’t they use less lethal-a taser?” “Why didn’t he shoot her in the leg?” “Why did he shoot her without trying to de-escalate the situation like they would with white people?” “Why did he shoot her in the back?” “Why didn’t he just grab her?” I will get into all of that shortly.
“Bryant was killed in April by Columbus police officer Nicholas Reardon as she swung a knife at a young woman, just seconds after pushing another woman to the ground. Bryant was Black and Reardon is white.(highlighted because it is the most important information according to every media story that stresses this fact) Police were responding to a 911 call made from Bryant's foster home about a group of girls threatening to stab members of the household. Despite claims by her own family that the caller was Ma’khia herself (she called police for help and instead they killed her) it was later determined that it was her younger sister that made the call.
The killing led to a Justice Department review of the police department in Ohio's capital city.”
At her funeral, the pastor had this to say: "We'll get Ma'Khia back when police training changes," he said. "We'll get Ma'Khia back when white officers don't see Black skin as a threat to them. We'll get Ma'Khia back when we learn how to de-escalate, when we learn how to talk, when we learn how to communicate."
Here is the video of the incident. It shows an extremely volatile scene upon the police arrival. It then shows Bryant running from inside the house and she swings her knife at a woman, missing, but still knocking her to the ground. A black male then kicks this female in the face. It is Bryant’s biological “father” who can show up when it’s time to be violent but couldn’t show up any other time in this girl’s life. Bryant then goes after a woman in pink and she gets pinned up against a vehicle and Bryant raises her knife to bring it down in a stabbing motion forcing the officer to shoot her. Immediately after, Bryant’s father, Myron hammons, begins yelling at the officer that he is stupid and she was just a kid. Then other community members begin yelling at him. He says “she came at her with a knife” and one guy calls him a liar and says he saw the whole thing. A supervisor tells him to stop talking to them, but it would be really hard to just stand there and let someone in the crowd get others riled up without defending yourself. The scene is very volatile and the protest begins immediately and lasted for a week, even after the video comes out. The calls for deescalation or using a taser instead or shoot in the air (joy behar) or shoot her in the leg. An article I reference at the end from vox, even declares that the officer put others at risk by shooting Bryant (um, no he didn’t-she was huge and unmissable), but that article is absurd garbage-it also says that a social worker would have been able to deescalate the situation as well. Yeah, ok.
Police are trained to NEVER USE A TASER IN A LETHAL FORCE SITUATION unless you have lethal cover. This was the only officer on scene and if that taser fails, you have a dead victim instead of the suspect. You don’t ever fire warning shots or shoot in the leg. Ever.
Things I find interesting about this story.
The foster care system.
Bryant was in foster care because she was taken from her mother for some reason. According to articles I read, that reason was physical and mental abuse. Neighbors reported hearing loud fights and the children would run out of the house crying and calling for help. Their father was not involved in their lives. (More on that in a moment) Bryant and her 3 younger siblings went to live with their grandmother, and she tried her best, but finances and having the room to house 4 children was very difficult. Eventually, she got $1200 from the state for caring for the four children (more on that in a moment) but the grandmother’s landlord found out she was housing four kids and kicked her out and she became homeless and couldn’t keep the kids, so they got shuffled around in the foster system. Now, I will really try not to get off on too much of a tangent here, but the woman that ended up with the four siblings (along with multiple other children) was offered 10 times more financial assistance to care for the children because she was not their blood kin. While fostering a child can often be a selfless act of love, for some, it is a lucrative hustle and there are numerous horror stories where kids are abused or neglected and the only reason they are being “cared for” by a certain person is because raising a foster kid equals more money in your pocket. If you skimp on their food, or clothing for example, you end up making money on the deal. The woman that the Bryants ended up with had at least six kids living there at the time. We’re they grifting the system? I don’t know.
The family’s outrage. The community response.
Pamela Bryant, Ma’Khia’s birth mother, has been blaming it only the police, but also the foster care system-claiming both took her daughter from her. Are you fucking kidding me? The system took 4/5 kids from her because she was abusive. The 5th was actually an adult male from another baby-daddy that lived with her and according to his half-siblings, was abusive towards them as well.
ben crump’s tweet seen by millions:
“As we breathed a collective sigh of relief today, a community in Columbus felt the sting of another police shooting as @ColumbusPolice killed an unarmed 15yo Black girl named Makiyah Bryant," Crump said.
"Another child lost! Another hashtag," he added, followed by the hashtag: #JusticeForMakiyahBryant
The girl’s biological father was extremely angry at the officer for shooting his daughter, as every father would be expected to be. However, this fucking turd had reportedly little contact with any of his 4 children (with this woman-who knows how many others) so he’s no father. He shows up when it’s time for violence and he could have broken up the fight at any point, but no-he actually takes part in the violence and kicks one of the girls in the face after his tank of a daughter tried to stab her. So fuck him.
Various celebrities and media criticized the officer for not deescalting the incident. He tried. He gave commands and no one listened. They said he should have used a taser or tackled her. She was large and had a knife, plus distance was an issue. And those same critics even make the claim that the officer would have responded differently if these were white people (see vox article below) and the officer wouldn’t have had his gun out. First, the call was of people trying to stab other people. That calls for a gun. Second, they reference the usuals-Dylan roof and others, mass murdering white males taken alive-however, they surrendered and were not actively attacking anyone at the time the officers arrived. That is a huge distinction. Huge!
Here’s a story on the grio that ranges from insightful to outright nonsense on Bryant’s ordeal. But the last few lines are priceless. The author found a way to blame both white people and the cops while failing to blame Bryant’s mother for her role in all of this-though maybe, she was gently addressing her when she said we need to stop driving our children into the hands of the racist system. Oh, and Bryant had a sharp ass steak knife, not a fucking butter knife.
“
We can rightly blame systemic racism and trigger-happy cops. But Black folks must also begin to have some hard conversations about how we can stop priming our children to fall victim to these systemic traps in this racist, spiritually dead culture that requires the blood of our children to perpetuate itself.
We can’t change white people. We can’t reform this system. We’ve been at this death game for centuries with them. But our energies should be focused on helping our children survive this gauntlet of oppression so that they don’t have to pick up butter knives to defend themselves, like Ma‘Kiah Bryant had to do.”
https://thegrio.com/2021/04/23/makhia-bryant-foster-system-black-children/
An article from the guardian that calls Columbus police a “rogue department” and immediately latched onto the fact that the officer involved here had only been on the the dept less than two years-as if that makes this shooting unjustified. The article points to Bryant and lists Bryant among four other juveniles killed by police. I plan to look each of those up to see what the backstory is rather than just steam over five juveniles being shot by cpd in the last five years. Also, I am not defending cpd, because of the past few years, they had one of the worst police shootings imo, Andre Hill, which was a really bad one.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/26/ma-khia-bryant-columbus-ohio-police
crump and news media getting called out for lying
https://www.the-sun.com/news/2747852/benjamin-crump-makhia-bryant-unarmed-knife/
https://www.foxnews.com/media/new-york-times-washington-post-columbus-police-shooting-makhia-bryant
The daily beast claimed that Bryant was defending herself from being jumped, had called 911 to ask for help, and had dropped the knife on the ground prior to police arriving. They even quoted her aunt, hazel bryant, who stated that she was glad that family was there to see that she was unarmed and no threat to anyone because the police are going to lie-that’s what police do, they lie.
The washington post, npr, and ny times reported the same thing-unarmed black female shot by police. The next day, even after the video had come out, they mentioned Bryant was “holding” a knife in her hand, but made no mention that she was in the act of actively trying to kill someone with it.
Though this article takes the fucking cake here:
https://www.vox.com/22406055/makhia-bryant-police-shooting-columbus-ohio
“Bryant’s death has become a debate that questions a child’s actions — and worthiness to live — instead of another example of the racism of policing and the institution’s failure to provide wholesome support, care, and safety for the communities it serves. The insistence that Reardon had no other option than to take Bryant’s life to save others — though he risked everyone’s life in the process — displays the lack of consideration and value that society places on the lives of Black girls and women.
“It’s also worth considering whether the police officer would have fired shots if Bryant or the people involved in the altercation were white. There are countless examples of police peacefully apprehending white boys and men wielding weapons.
“These ideas go back to slave patrols, progenitors of policing in the United States. It was Black women who were on “wanted” posters for escaping, Lindsey explained — like, for example, Harriet Tubman, who would have been killed by patrols for defying the state. And as Michelle F. Jacobs wrote in “The Violent State: Black Women’s Invisible Struggle Against Police Violence,” both Black men and women were killed, maimed and mutilated at the will of slave holders, but Black women were violently raped and sexually abused by both the slave holder and his employees as an economic necessity.
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My final thoughts on Ma’khia Bryant. This girl was justifiability shot by police. She is to blame, but she’s not the only one to blame here. For starters, her family is to blame. Her mother was abusive to 4/5 kids to the point that they were taken away from her and out into foster care. Her father who was a deadbeat piece of shit. He only showed up when it was time to fight and instead of breaking up a fight involving “his baby” he encouraged her to attack the girls that were messing with her and he even took his own shots kicking her in the face. Blame the system for paying the grandmother 1/10 of what they were willing to pay a complete stranger to raise her. A complete stranger who seemed to collect foster kids because it pays good. And she does a shitty job. Blame the culture of violence, and deadbeat dads, and abusive mothers. Blame this culture that invited neighbors to come and watch the violence as a source of entertainment rather than try to break it up. Blame the culture that tells this girl that she was a victim of racist police brutality and continued to protest her justified shooting even after the video came out showing that she was about to kill another girl. Blame the media for purposely being vague about the clear details of this case like ny times, wash post, vox, npr, msnbc that omit details because making this look unjustified generates rage and more clicks.
And finally, Blame the system that rewards this behavior and piss poor job at raising kids in this culture where they are always the victim and it often pays very handsomely. Her shitbag parents stand to gain a very large monitary reward for poorly raising this girl to be a “victim” of the police and the fostercare system. I guarantee they will sue. They haven’t yet, but they will. The family of the violent
phile, alton sterling, gave them 5 million good reasons on why they should sue after that’s what they were awarded after he was shot going for a gun.
And finally, Blame the system that rewards this behavior and piss poor job at raising kids in this culture where they are always the victim and it often pays very handsomely. Her shitbag parents stand to gain a very large monitary reward for poorly raising this girl to be a “victim” of the police and the fostercare system. I guarantee they will sue. They haven’t yet, but they will. The family of the violent
phile, alton sterling, gave them 5 million good reasons on why they should sue after that’s what they were awarded after he was shot going for a gun.
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Columbus Ohio(again) Miles Jackson 2021
I will try to keep this one shorter than the others and there is a good police shooting at the end, but some seriously bad police work at the beginning.
Miles Jackson overdosed in a park outside of Columbus, Ohio. A responding police officer and paramedics tried to talk him into getting help and treatment as he was clearly unwell. Prior to putting Jackson in the back of the ambulance, one officer began patting down Jackson, but he fell for an old criminal trick when they try to distract you when you get close to something they don’t want you to find. And this was a huge fuck-up.
Jackson had a bunch of warrant’s from Columbus PD and they took custody of him. Even though he was supposedly patted down, CPD officers being professionals, patted him down again. They found a bunch of credit cards in different names, indicating that Jackson was a thief. A continued search yielded a bullet and then Jackson became very protective of his groin area. Officers tried to move his hand and he tried yet another trick “you’re trying to grab my dick” to embarrass officers and get them to back off. Being professionals, they did not back off and found a gun that Jackson then tried to retrieve. The fight was on at this point. He is still trying to play the “what did I do” game as officers are trying to pry his hand off of the gun. They used knee strikes and a taser to limited effect. Jackson is able to squeeze a round off(which actually goes through his own pants and just misses an officer, sending officers scattering out of the room. One of the officers manages to hit Jackson with a round and he tumbled off the side of the bed. One officer was unable to get out and spends the remainder of the encounter trapped behind the bed. Pay attention to the video below and hear the adrenaline laden breathing and stress. Officers try to get Jackson to give up the gun for several minutes and he refuses, despite telling them he had put it on the ground, which he did not. Officers make one more attempt at non-lethal force by using a taser again, but it has limited effect and Jackson fires off a shot towards officers, prompting a barrage of bullets, killing Jackson.
The protests came with protesters surrounding the police department. Protesters forced their way inside the police department and were driven back with pepperspray. In the below excerpt, the fucking mayor backs the protesters.
“Late Tuesday night, Columbus police in Ohio’s capital city used pepper spray on a small group of people who briefly breached outer doors at the agency’s downtown headquarters, following a largely peaceful protest downtown earlier in the evening where dozens marched after Jackson’s shooting. Demonstrators gathered again Wednesday night in what appeared to be a peaceful protest.
Columbus Mayor Andrew Ginther backed the protesters’ cause but denounced the attempt by a few to enter police headquarters.”
The video which is narrated and is from officers body cameras outside the room.
The uncut video from the body camera of the officer trapped in the room.
The protests and report on protesters breaking into police hq using bolt cutters and even peppersprayed police officers.
Final thoughts. This shooting was completely justified and this man posed an active threat and in no way should any different force have been used. Officers attempted many different lesser levels of force that all failed. There was an officer trapped in the room with Jackson, which made things even more tense and dangerous.
I live pretty close to Columbus. It is the largest city in Ohio and the 14th largest city in the US. In 2020, things got really bad here with police and protesters clashing nightly for weeks. The mayor Police here do not have the best track record in terms of police shootings and there are a few really bad police shoots (Andre Hill-one I have frequently cited as a case that should draw protests) but this is not that. This was a good a necessary shoot. Mayor Ginther called for defunding the police and instituting police reform. He put together a civilian review board that had subpoena power and the board has more “teeth” than other civilian review boards. He appointed a defense attorney as the head of the review board-an attorney that defended a man that killed two local cops. Cops and the FOP objected strongly.
“He did, however, appoint an attorney who recently defended a cop killer,” said Simpson, referring to Fred Benton, the attorney for Quentin Smith, the man convicted of shooting and killing Westerville officers Tony Morelli and Eric Joering.
Simpson demanded an apology from Mayor Ginther for the appointment of Benton. NBC4 reached out to the mayor’s office and this was the reply:
“This isn’t the first time the FOP has attacked a black man working to advance police reform, oversight and accountability,” said Mayor Ginther in an emailed reply. “Fred Benton is one of the most respected members of our central Ohio legal community and will be a great addition to the civilian review board workgroup.”
I will try to keep this one shorter than the others and there is a good police shooting at the end, but some seriously bad police work at the beginning.
Miles Jackson overdosed in a park outside of Columbus, Ohio. A responding police officer and paramedics tried to talk him into getting help and treatment as he was clearly unwell. Prior to putting Jackson in the back of the ambulance, one officer began patting down Jackson, but he fell for an old criminal trick when they try to distract you when you get close to something they don’t want you to find. And this was a huge fuck-up.
Jackson had a bunch of warrant’s from Columbus PD and they took custody of him. Even though he was supposedly patted down, CPD officers being professionals, patted him down again. They found a bunch of credit cards in different names, indicating that Jackson was a thief. A continued search yielded a bullet and then Jackson became very protective of his groin area. Officers tried to move his hand and he tried yet another trick “you’re trying to grab my dick” to embarrass officers and get them to back off. Being professionals, they did not back off and found a gun that Jackson then tried to retrieve. The fight was on at this point. He is still trying to play the “what did I do” game as officers are trying to pry his hand off of the gun. They used knee strikes and a taser to limited effect. Jackson is able to squeeze a round off(which actually goes through his own pants and just misses an officer, sending officers scattering out of the room. One of the officers manages to hit Jackson with a round and he tumbled off the side of the bed. One officer was unable to get out and spends the remainder of the encounter trapped behind the bed. Pay attention to the video below and hear the adrenaline laden breathing and stress. Officers try to get Jackson to give up the gun for several minutes and he refuses, despite telling them he had put it on the ground, which he did not. Officers make one more attempt at non-lethal force by using a taser again, but it has limited effect and Jackson fires off a shot towards officers, prompting a barrage of bullets, killing Jackson.
The protests came with protesters surrounding the police department. Protesters forced their way inside the police department and were driven back with pepperspray. In the below excerpt, the fucking mayor backs the protesters.
“Late Tuesday night, Columbus police in Ohio’s capital city used pepper spray on a small group of people who briefly breached outer doors at the agency’s downtown headquarters, following a largely peaceful protest downtown earlier in the evening where dozens marched after Jackson’s shooting. Demonstrators gathered again Wednesday night in what appeared to be a peaceful protest.
Columbus Mayor Andrew Ginther backed the protesters’ cause but denounced the attempt by a few to enter police headquarters.”
The video which is narrated and is from officers body cameras outside the room.
The uncut video from the body camera of the officer trapped in the room.
The protests and report on protesters breaking into police hq using bolt cutters and even peppersprayed police officers.
Final thoughts. This shooting was completely justified and this man posed an active threat and in no way should any different force have been used. Officers attempted many different lesser levels of force that all failed. There was an officer trapped in the room with Jackson, which made things even more tense and dangerous.
I live pretty close to Columbus. It is the largest city in Ohio and the 14th largest city in the US. In 2020, things got really bad here with police and protesters clashing nightly for weeks. The mayor Police here do not have the best track record in terms of police shootings and there are a few really bad police shoots (Andre Hill-one I have frequently cited as a case that should draw protests) but this is not that. This was a good a necessary shoot. Mayor Ginther called for defunding the police and instituting police reform. He put together a civilian review board that had subpoena power and the board has more “teeth” than other civilian review boards. He appointed a defense attorney as the head of the review board-an attorney that defended a man that killed two local cops. Cops and the FOP objected strongly.
“He did, however, appoint an attorney who recently defended a cop killer,” said Simpson, referring to Fred Benton, the attorney for Quentin Smith, the man convicted of shooting and killing Westerville officers Tony Morelli and Eric Joering.
Simpson demanded an apology from Mayor Ginther for the appointment of Benton. NBC4 reached out to the mayor’s office and this was the reply:
“This isn’t the first time the FOP has attacked a black man working to advance police reform, oversight and accountability,” said Mayor Ginther in an emailed reply. “Fred Benton is one of the most respected members of our central Ohio legal community and will be a great addition to the civilian review board workgroup.”
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August 31, 2020. Dijon Kizzee. LA.
According to family, lawyer ben crump, and activists, Dijon was a man “trying to find his way” and was out for a bike ride when he was racially profiled and shot 15 times in the head and torso by police. This led to weeks of violent protests and two police officers being shot in the face in an ambush as they sat in their cruiser. Then, blm blocked the entrance of the hospital so the ambulance and officers could not get inside. They also tried to force their way into the emergency room and chanted “we hope they die,”
The real story is a bit different.
Kizzee was riding his bike on the wrong side of the road and weaving in and out of traffic posing a safety issue. Police attempted to stop him when he fled. Police pursued him until he dropped his bike and began to flee on foot. During his flight, officers caught up to him and he punched a deputy in the face. Then, Kizzee dropped a stolen firearm(stolen in 2017) on the ground. Kizzee turned around and ran back for the gun and as he was trying to pick it up, officers from LASD shot him 15-16 times. The incident was captured on grainy camera footage from across the street.
Protests were almost immediate and lasted almost two weeks with violent clashes between police and protesters who were throwing concrete and bricks at officers, who in response, fired non-lethal rounds at these subjects.
On September 13, 2020, a subject walked up to two officers sitting in their patrol car and shot the female officer in the face, arms, and chest. The male officer was struck in the forehead and arms. I already mentioned the blm trying to break into the emergency room and blocking entry into the hospital and chanted “we hope they die.”
Kizzee was a felon that had previous convictions for fleeing police while driving recklessly and felon in possession of a firearm. Once again, we have weeks of protests over a shitbag, violent riots, two police officers almost murdered, and of course, ben crump filing a lawsuit for 35 million dollars-25 million for pain and suffering and 10 million for the financial losses to Kizzee’s estate. Yeah, I am sure the unemployed Kizzee would have made ten million dollars. In June 2023, an undisclosed settlement was reached with the father of kizzee showing once again, that it pays to have a shitbird as a relative that gets shot by police.
Below is actual shooting of Kizzee
Below is the officers being shot in the face and protesters blocking er.
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According to family, lawyer ben crump, and activists, Dijon was a man “trying to find his way” and was out for a bike ride when he was racially profiled and shot 15 times in the head and torso by police. This led to weeks of violent protests and two police officers being shot in the face in an ambush as they sat in their cruiser. Then, blm blocked the entrance of the hospital so the ambulance and officers could not get inside. They also tried to force their way into the emergency room and chanted “we hope they die,”
The real story is a bit different.
Kizzee was riding his bike on the wrong side of the road and weaving in and out of traffic posing a safety issue. Police attempted to stop him when he fled. Police pursued him until he dropped his bike and began to flee on foot. During his flight, officers caught up to him and he punched a deputy in the face. Then, Kizzee dropped a stolen firearm(stolen in 2017) on the ground. Kizzee turned around and ran back for the gun and as he was trying to pick it up, officers from LASD shot him 15-16 times. The incident was captured on grainy camera footage from across the street.
Protests were almost immediate and lasted almost two weeks with violent clashes between police and protesters who were throwing concrete and bricks at officers, who in response, fired non-lethal rounds at these subjects.
On September 13, 2020, a subject walked up to two officers sitting in their patrol car and shot the female officer in the face, arms, and chest. The male officer was struck in the forehead and arms. I already mentioned the blm trying to break into the emergency room and blocking entry into the hospital and chanted “we hope they die.”
Kizzee was a felon that had previous convictions for fleeing police while driving recklessly and felon in possession of a firearm. Once again, we have weeks of protests over a shitbag, violent riots, two police officers almost murdered, and of course, ben crump filing a lawsuit for 35 million dollars-25 million for pain and suffering and 10 million for the financial losses to Kizzee’s estate. Yeah, I am sure the unemployed Kizzee would have made ten million dollars. In June 2023, an undisclosed settlement was reached with the father of kizzee showing once again, that it pays to have a shitbird as a relative that gets shot by police.
Below is actual shooting of Kizzee
Below is the officers being shot in the face and protesters blocking er.
Riots
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The suspect in the shooting of the deputies was 36 year old deonte murray. He was the suspect in a September 1, 2020 armed car jacking in which he shot a man in the leg. He was spotted on sept 15 and during a car chase, he tossed a gun out of the window before he was apprehended. The gun was later found to be the one that shot the officers in the face. He was held on six million bond. In an actual nice turn on this story, citizen donations raised the reward money to over 600k for information on the suspect. No one gave officers any information. I would really hope the officers would get that money but I doubt it.
In September of 2023, he was found guilty of 10 counts of attempted murder but has not been sentenced yet.
In a semi-related story, a protester received a $350k settlement from being struck in the jaw with a less lethal round. He was at the scene of a vehicle that was set on fire and was celebrating when he, or a subject directly next to hold threw an object at police, prompting him to fire the projectile. This officer had been working his second straight 20 hour day in a row due to these fucking protests.
In September of 2023, he was found guilty of 10 counts of attempted murder but has not been sentenced yet.
In a semi-related story, a protester received a $350k settlement from being struck in the jaw with a less lethal round. He was at the scene of a vehicle that was set on fire and was celebrating when he, or a subject directly next to hold threw an object at police, prompting him to fire the projectile. This officer had been working his second straight 20 hour day in a row due to these fucking protests.
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July 8, 2016. Dallas. Micah Xavier Johnson.
After the justified shooting of Alton sterling in Baton Rouge(see above posting page 1) several revenge killings took place in his name. 3 officers were killed in baton rouge and this fucktard, johnson, killed 5 Dallas police officers, killed 2 civilians, and injured 9 other police officers. johnson set out to “kill white people, especially white police officers.”
During protests in Dallas with numbers swelling to 800 people, johnson opened fire on police officers before being cornered in a building. Officers initiated negotiations with Johnson only willing to talk to a black officer, whom he tried to convince to take his firearm and turn it on white police officers. He shouted black power and black liberation before firing more shots. Due to the walls being drywall and bullets passing through them, officers sought an unusual, but totally awesome tactic to end the seige.
Police deployed a bomb robot with c-4 strapped to the front of it, drove the robot to the wall behind where Johnson was hiding, and detonated it, blowing johnson to pieces that had to be mopped up with a sponge. Good, fuck him.
johnson was in the military until he was discharged “other than honorably” after sexually harassing a fellow female soldier. The creep even stole her panties and when confronted about it by military police, he ran off with the panties and tried to hide them in a dumpster.
After the use of the bomb robot to take this piece of shit out, activists decried the tactic as barbaric and unconstitutional, despite his actions warranting a barrage of bullets. These same activists were the same ones celebrating his murdering police officers and his racist beliefs. Police use of force experts said the move was unprecedented, but admitted it was justified. johnson claimed to have planted bombs in the area during negotiations. No bombs were found but he had bomb making equipment at his home.
Dallas police murders
Negotiations
Donut operator on use of machines by police
After the justified shooting of Alton sterling in Baton Rouge(see above posting page 1) several revenge killings took place in his name. 3 officers were killed in baton rouge and this fucktard, johnson, killed 5 Dallas police officers, killed 2 civilians, and injured 9 other police officers. johnson set out to “kill white people, especially white police officers.”
During protests in Dallas with numbers swelling to 800 people, johnson opened fire on police officers before being cornered in a building. Officers initiated negotiations with Johnson only willing to talk to a black officer, whom he tried to convince to take his firearm and turn it on white police officers. He shouted black power and black liberation before firing more shots. Due to the walls being drywall and bullets passing through them, officers sought an unusual, but totally awesome tactic to end the seige.
Police deployed a bomb robot with c-4 strapped to the front of it, drove the robot to the wall behind where Johnson was hiding, and detonated it, blowing johnson to pieces that had to be mopped up with a sponge. Good, fuck him.
johnson was in the military until he was discharged “other than honorably” after sexually harassing a fellow female soldier. The creep even stole her panties and when confronted about it by military police, he ran off with the panties and tried to hide them in a dumpster.
After the use of the bomb robot to take this piece of shit out, activists decried the tactic as barbaric and unconstitutional, despite his actions warranting a barrage of bullets. These same activists were the same ones celebrating his murdering police officers and his racist beliefs. Police use of force experts said the move was unprecedented, but admitted it was justified. johnson claimed to have planted bombs in the area during negotiations. No bombs were found but he had bomb making equipment at his home.
Dallas police murders
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Dude. Do yourself a favor and take up a hobby to enjoy retirement. Leave the job and all of its bullshit behind. Before you even turned in your badge they already had your replacement lined up. Let the courts decide what shootings are justified and aren’t; don’t waste your time arguing with trolls online. Just my 2 cents. Unless you REALLY love and miss police work. 5 years left for me and I personally can’t wait to be done.
Carry on.
Carry on.
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August 3, 2019. De’von Bailey. Colorado Springs
I have written about this one before, pretty sure I made a thread on it-so this one will be brief. Plus, donut breaks it down pretty well.
Police shoot a 19 yr old black male for running away from them, according to protesters. See below for real story.
Male suspect is approached by two black males and asked what he has in his pockets. When he does not say anything, they strike him and pull a gun (which he describes in detail) on him and then take the money he has. He gives a good description of the two men and the direction they are traveling.
Two officers observe subjects fitting the description almost to an”t” and stop them. Officer informs them that they are responding to an armed robbery and they are going to be checked for weapons. As one officer approaches, in suspect takes off running. Suspect can be seen reaching in waistband and is shot 8 times in back and dies soon after. As police are searching him, a gun is found in his pants that matches the description given by the victim. Protests begin but don’t get violent for once. A grand jury is convened and finds the shooting was just. However, even with the shooting being ruled justified, the family sues and gets 3 million dollars, once again, proving that it pays to have a shitbag criminal family member that gets shot by police.
Shooting breakdown by donut operator
Interview with father, who seems like a decent guy. Actually says he doesn’t want this about blm and says the dreaded “all lives matter” and he wants officers to stand trial but says they are innocent until proven guilty
News story on one year anniversary of shooting. Armed protesters (this is 2020) block the street and refuse to move for traffic and claim it is their streets. Notice the cousin who was with Bailey that day and was his accomplice in the armed robbery not in prison.
I have written about this one before, pretty sure I made a thread on it-so this one will be brief. Plus, donut breaks it down pretty well.
Police shoot a 19 yr old black male for running away from them, according to protesters. See below for real story.
Male suspect is approached by two black males and asked what he has in his pockets. When he does not say anything, they strike him and pull a gun (which he describes in detail) on him and then take the money he has. He gives a good description of the two men and the direction they are traveling.
Two officers observe subjects fitting the description almost to an”t” and stop them. Officer informs them that they are responding to an armed robbery and they are going to be checked for weapons. As one officer approaches, in suspect takes off running. Suspect can be seen reaching in waistband and is shot 8 times in back and dies soon after. As police are searching him, a gun is found in his pants that matches the description given by the victim. Protests begin but don’t get violent for once. A grand jury is convened and finds the shooting was just. However, even with the shooting being ruled justified, the family sues and gets 3 million dollars, once again, proving that it pays to have a shitbag criminal family member that gets shot by police.
Shooting breakdown by donut operator
Interview with father, who seems like a decent guy. Actually says he doesn’t want this about blm and says the dreaded “all lives matter” and he wants officers to stand trial but says they are innocent until proven guilty
News story on one year anniversary of shooting. Armed protesters (this is 2020) block the street and refuse to move for traffic and claim it is their streets. Notice the cousin who was with Bailey that day and was his accomplice in the armed robbery not in prison.
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Yeah, I miss parts of it. And I have a masters in criminology that I am barely using in my current field, so I am going to use my knowledge to dispel misinformation because so very few are willing to stand up and do what I do in these situations.
Had a small taste of it today. Had a man come into the er with a gun shot wound. He went home and caught his wife with another man and mistook their heads for trees and attacked them with an axe. He hits the guy twice in the neck but just barely cuts him knocking him down and then he hits the wife and the other guy pulls a gun and shoots him. So we have the gunshot victim in one room with police, the wife in another zone being treated, and then the shooter comes in for treatment. So the er gets put into lockdown and while that it going on, we have a patient whacked out on meth that is fighting us and bites one of my guards. I love days like this.
Oh, and this is a hobby and uses my brain and knowledge. My other hobby is fishing and my season is over, so….
Be safe in your last 5 years.
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Good place to be. I had the choice between detective or sergeant. They really wanted more sergeants so they could get more one man cruisers on the road (we had a city ordinance that required 2 officers per car unless k9 or supervisors that had to be overturned by voters. They failed twice and simply decided to bypass the law and dissolved two man cruisers, which prompted a lawsuit we somehow lost) and I was told to take the stripes because if I pissed off the brass by turning it down, j wasn’t going to get detective anyway and would have passed on sergeant. So I was a sergeant for six years and then had the choice between school cop and lieutenant. I couldn’t decide which and was going to take the school job becauseni figured if the chief really wanted me for an Lt, he would have tried to talk me into it. We tested for promotions instead of Ass kissing politics. So it was my choice. He called me back one day and told me he knew I would make a fine Lt but he felt I was probably a good fit for a school cop as well-but i had the feeling he wanted me to take school job. I had too many people telling me to take the Lt spot because there are so very few and that position rarely becomes open-plus, the guy behind me was someone that no one wanted as a Lt except the chief. So, knowing it would bother the shit out of him(we didn’t like each other) I took lieutenant and we clashed an unbelievable amount of times. I don’t regret it, but I would likely still be a cop if I hadn’t because I wouldn’t have gotten hurt and required three surgeries-the last, my career ender. But then in those few years, I would have been directing traffic, going to basketball games(yuk), dances, and other school functions that would have sucked the life out of me.
I miss the action and responsibility of being Lt. I run a shift of 12 security guards at a hospital and I am damn good at it, but it doesn’t have the same heft as police. But then, I also missed the shitshow of 2020-today, which I think would have been tough for me as a cop. Hell, it’s been tough sitting on the sidelines watching it go down. All the hate towards cops over incidents like I have listed above is so fucking ridiculous and honestly, it hurts me to see that over a bunch of fucking turds.l that no one would have cared about had they been shot by anyone other than a cop.
So in the end, I am doing whatever I can to fight back against this propaganda and besides in person conversations I have, this and twitter are the only opportunities I have to talk about it or have any impact.
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Here's one for you @nhbbear. It was apparently justified because a grand jury rejected charging the cop and the cop still has his job. Guy had a gun, but it was in a zipped bag and it doesn't look like the cop knew he had it. The cop's own immediate reaction makes it look like an accidental discharge. Hard for me to side with the copper on this one, definitely don't think he should still be employed though.
News story
Grand jury declines charges against HPD officer in 2022 ...
Shooting video (8 minutes long, but shooting happens 15 seconds in)
News story
Grand jury declines charges against HPD officer in 2022 ...
Shooting video (8 minutes long, but shooting happens 15 seconds in)
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And just for fun here's one where the cop did get fired. One cop blasted a guy for pulling out what ended up being a key fob, but he's not the one that got canned. Another cop nearby let off one round just as a reaction to the first shots. Investigation determined that he was a fucking idiot in that moment because he didn't have an actual target to shoot at.
Video is almost 11 minutes long, but the shooting is covered twice in the first 3 minutes. You're welcome @nhbbear
Video is almost 11 minutes long, but the shooting is covered twice in the first 3 minutes. You're welcome @nhbbear
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