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The Patterson Footage .....

Clearly just a big, hairy fella, wandering around on an acid trip. Let him be.
 
MusterX said:
I get what you are saying, nevertheless, I can post interviews of Hollywood special effects professionals saying there is no way in fuck they could replicate that suit even now.
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Well it's certainly interesting to hear both sides.
But every argument has two sides - there are still people who would adamantly argue with you that the earth is flat. They'll give you sources to suggest what they are saying is correct and on it goes.

As I said, I love conspiracy theories, but not just for the sake of having them.
Some things just happen and there is no conspiracy.

I'm a firm believer in the whole UFO thing for example.
I'm sure extra terrestrials have made contact and governments are fully aware of this. Bodies, crashed craft, various sightings - I think much of this is true.

But I'm not buying that video of Bigfoot, especially after looking into the character and background of the people who happened to be in exactly the right place at exactly the right time to capture it on film.
 
The subject in the PG film walks better than does man. People who dismiss this film as a hoax outright, haven't looked closely enough. The strides alone are impressive, exhibiting fluidity, sureness, and economy of motion (It's beautiful, quite frankly *Mugatu gif*). I even learned how to move better by analyzing the PG film.

I'm nearly convinced that Sasquatch is not just merely a myth, but is actually extant. People might scoff at that, but I give zero fucks. Laugh yourselves to death.

And lol @ anyone writing off this film because of Bob Heironimus. Dude is a fraud. He can't even replicate the walk correctly.
 
I've noticed that people that insist that the video is fake have never and will never examine the evidence that shows otherwise.

Not film related but Bigfoot related. I like Dr Meldrum's work with footprints.
http://www2.isu.edu/~meldd/fxnlmorph.html
*edit* I thought I was linking a paper just on different track sets and the metatarsal break. This paper does discuss "Patty"
 
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Maybe they need to feed that footage through their enhanco-3000 again and produce a more believable HD version.
 
The Sausage King said:
wrong ! several studios and even the BBC tried to make the suit and they couldn't.
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You keep making this claim yet haven't shown me anything from the several Hollywood studios costume and effects departments saying they weren't able to make the suit. If you're using BFRO and Bigfoots Blog as an actual source then you've really given into your inner desires to believe the most absurd bullshit around.
 
MusterX said:
I get what you are saying, nevertheless, I can post interviews of Hollywood special effects professionals saying there is no way in fuck they could replicate that suit even now.
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Please do so as so far everyone keeps claiming this is true, but no one is posting the actual testimonials by actual Hollywood special effects / costume departments saying that CAN'T make this suit.

This all reminds me of Alien Autopsy from the mid 1990's where they have all of these alleged special effects guys around a board room table and they're showing them this video. All these guys are saying "no way in hell could we do this" or "it's super difficult and near impossible" to do this. Then it turns out the video was 100% faked by, yet again, amateurs. What about the famous crop circles across from Stonehenge that couldn't possibly be created by humans because of the way the grains ran in some kind of pattern? Oh yeah, take two guys, both named Dave, with a piece of 2x4 and a rope, and they certainly did something that was impossible.

I understand the want and desire to believe in Bigfoot. I spent the first 10 years of my life in Washington state and I was convinced as a kid that they existed. Of course I also believed in the tooth fairy and santa clause until I was about 6-7 so it shows how gullible I was back then.
 
The Sausage King said:
then why has Hollywood been unable to duplicate it ? how are there muscle movements and toe curls if it's a man in a suit ? why did both men call the being "He" only to be told it was a female after technology advanced to show breasts back in the late 80's ?!
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didnt you read the muntjacs reply to you?

his article said sorcerors......magicians......wizards made the suit....
 
usmctanker242 said:
Please do so as so far everyone keeps claiming this is true, but no one is posting the actual testimonials by actual Hollywood special effects / costume departments saying that CAN'T make this suit.

This all reminds me of Alien Autopsy from the mid 1990's where they have all of these alleged special effects guys around a board room table and they're showing them this video. All these guys are saying "no way in hell could we do this" or "it's super difficult and near impossible" to do this. Then it turns out the video was 100% faked by, yet again, amateurs. What about the famous crop circles across from Stonehenge that couldn't possibly be created by humans because of the way the grains ran in some kind of pattern? Oh yeah, take two guys, both named Dave, with a piece of 2x4 and a rope, and they certainly did something that was impossible.

I understand the want and desire to believe in Bigfoot. I spent the first 10 years of my life in Washington state and I was convinced as a kid that they existed. Of course I also believed in the tooth fairy and santa clause until I was about 6-7 so it shows how gullible I was back then.
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Some claim it could be done (but have never done it, of course), others say it can't. From the wiki.
  • Dale Sheets and Universal Studios. Patterson, Gimlin, and DeAtley[235] screened the film for Dale Sheets, head of the Documentary Film Department, and unnamed technicians[114] "in the special effects department at Universal Studios in Hollywood ... Their conclusion was: 'We could try (faking it), but we would have to create a completely new system of artificial muscles and find an actor who could be trained to walk like that. It might be done, but we would have to say that it would be almost impossible.'"[236] A more moderate version of their opinion was, "if it is [a man in an ape suit], it's a very good one—a job that would take a lot of time and money to produce."[237]
  • Disney executive Ken Peterson. Krantz reports that in 1969, John Green (who owned a first-generation copy of the original Patterson film)[238] interviewed Disney executive Ken Peterson, who, after viewing the Patterson film, asserted "that their technicians would not be able to duplicate the film."[114][233][239]Krantz argues that if Disney personnel were unable to duplicate the film, there is little likelihood that Patterson could have done so. Greg Long writes, "Byrne cited his trip to Walt Disney studios in 1972, where Disney's chief of animation and four assistants viewed Patterson's footage and praised it as a beautiful piece of work although, they said, it must have been shot in a studio. When Byrne told them it had been shot in the woods of Northern California, 'They shook their heads and walked away.'"
 
shadow_priest_x said:
You have to do better than that to counter his arguments.
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I'm not trying to change anyone's mind, I just think it's a guy in a monkey costume.

Also I thought it was kind of funny how serious people were taking it so admittedly I kind of played into that by spamming the words "Monkey Costume" :)
 
BearGrounds said:
Some claim it could be done (but have never done it, of course), others say it can't. From the wiki.
  • Dale Sheets and Universal Studios. Patterson, Gimlin, and DeAtley[235] screened the film for Dale Sheets, head of the Documentary Film Department, and unnamed technicians[114] "in the special effects department at Universal Studios in Hollywood ... Their conclusion was: 'We could try (faking it), but we would have to create a completely new system of artificial muscles and find an actor who could be trained to walk like that. It might be done, but we would have to say that it would be almost impossible.'"[236] A more moderate version of their opinion was, "if it is [a man in an ape suit], it's a very good one—a job that would take a lot of time and money to produce."[237]
  • Disney executive Ken Peterson. Krantz reports that in 1969, John Green (who owned a first-generation copy of the original Patterson film)[238] interviewed Disney executive Ken Peterson, who, after viewing the Patterson film, asserted "that their technicians would not be able to duplicate the film."[114][233][239]Krantz argues that if Disney personnel were unable to duplicate the film, there is little likelihood that Patterson could have done so. Greg Long writes, "Byrne cited his trip to Walt Disney studios in 1972, where Disney's chief of animation and four assistants viewed Patterson's footage and praised it as a beautiful piece of work although, they said, it must have been shot in a studio. When Byrne told them it had been shot in the woods of Northern California, 'They shook their heads and walked away.'"
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Thanks, so far everybody just keeps flapping their gums with nothing to show. But, according to what you posted, nobody said they couldn't do it. This says that a head of the Documentary Film Department and UNNAMED technicians in the special effects department. This is kind of what I figured because nobody would go out on a limb and say they couldn't do something that had likely been achieved by amateurs. The 2nd part this is a guy who doesn't work in special effects so his comments are moot.

So again, to all the people in the thread who keep parroting this stuff, so far nobody has provided a shred of evidence stating that "nobody in hollywood could create this suit." This is why I wanted to see what people actually said and it's nothing like what people in this thread are claiming. Funny how people who take this video to be 100% legit evidence of Bigfoot are also the ones who believe "unnamed technicians" means that Hollywood said they couldn't reproduce this suit.
 
usmctanker242 said:
Thanks, so far everybody just keeps flapping their gums with nothing to show. But, according to what you posted, nobody said they couldn't do it. This says that a head of the Documentary Film Department and UNNAMED technicians in the special effects department. This is kind of what I figured because nobody would go out on a limb and say they couldn't do something that had likely been achieved by amateurs. The 2nd part this is a guy who doesn't work in special effects so his comments are moot.

So again, to all the people in the thread who keep parroting this stuff, so far nobody has provided a shred of evidence stating that "nobody in hollywood could create this suit." This is why I wanted to see what people actually said and it's nothing like what people in this thread are claiming. Funny how people who take this video to be 100% legit evidence of Bigfoot are also the ones who believe "unnamed technicians" means that Hollywood said they couldn't reproduce this suit.
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You're nitpicking a bit by hanging on the fact that specific technicians weren't cited by name. Do you think the head of the documentary dept is lying about or fabricating his colleagues assessments?

Their conclusion was: 'We could try (faking it), but we would have to create a completely new system of artificial muscles and find an actor who could be trained to walk like that. It might be done, but we would have to say that it would be almost impossible.'
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People who make a living doing special effects and making costumes aren't likely to say they can't replicate it. Why? Because that's their job, and to say so could make them look less skilled at what they do. Fact of the matter is, even if people say they can, nobody has successfully recreated it.
 
BearGrounds said:
You're nitpicking a bit by hanging on the fact that specific technicians weren't cited by name. Do you think the head of the documentary dept is lying about or fabricating his colleagues assessments?



People who make a living doing special effects and making costumes aren't likely to say they can't replicate it. Why? Because that's their job, and to say so could make them look less skilled at what they do. Fact of the matter is, even if people say they can, nobody has successfully recreated it.
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Bingo, exactly my point. So many people in this thread were saying that everybody in Hollywood claimed they couldn't recreate this suit and I knew that to be 100% false for this exact reason. Also, again, unnamed TECHNICIANS means absolutely jack shit. Who were these technicians and what was their job within the department? Also, what would someone who is the head of the Documentary department have to do with special effects? Documentaries are 100% without special effects.

All of those things adding together make it very clear that not a single person in the special effects industry has ever stated that they couldn't make that suit. So many people are watching this grainy footage and reading too much into it... muscle movement, distinct toes, all kinds of crap that simply is not in the film. Yeah, sure, with 15 filters and all kinds of "enhancement" you can find things that certainly weren't there. That video has so much noise and is so grainy that nobody could find anything in that unless they really wanted to believe.

Again, the whole thing reeks of the Surgeons Photographs of the Loch Ness Monster. So many people claimed they were 100% authentic by measuring the size of the ripples in the water, the waves, all kinds of batshit crazy stuff. Then, sure as shit, turned out to be 100% fake and made with about a 10" wooden toy. So all these people claiming the waves and ripples showed it was something like 10-15 feet long looked beyond stupid. But they were "scientists" who had "credentials." LMAO
 
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