The Patterson Footage .....

[irish_thug]

Do you mean the Survivorman guy? I didn't know he was connected with bigfoot hunters. What's his story?

He's had what he thinks is a bigfoot encounter. He talked about it when he was on the JRE podcast. He's done two seasons of his show looking for bigfoot. He is a legit believer.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

I never heard of the inverted tree theory. I tapped out from learning about bigfoot from bigfootologists after I read about their ability to avoid detection by walking down rivers as though they were part escaped convict and their ability to confuse humans with sonic screams as though they were also part Bengal tiger.

Tbh I learn more interesting bigfoot lore from real scientists and the people debunking bigfootologist claims than from the people making the bigfoot claims. This is because the scientific community will say, "Yes, we have all these accounts through hundred years of history and we haven't been able to write them all off as hoaxes. And we also have unusual DNA results, like the Indian polar bear confusion." This gets my mind racing with ideas.

In comparison, the bigfootologists will say, "This DNA testing result, which contains DNA from a dozen different animals, is NOT an indication that my samples were contaminated, but CONFIRMS my assertion that the creature we know as bigfoot are actually biblical Nephilim!" (true story, woman by the name of Ketchum.)



Do you mean the Survivorman guy? I didn't know he was connected with bigfoot hunters. What's his story?

Dude he did a whole season of Survivorman where all he did was look for Bigfoot. Also claims to have encountered one in I believe it was Alaska. He talked about it on Rogan before.

The inverted tree thing is bizarre. Big fucking ass trees driven deep into the ground in way out of the way places. To me it seem like a person would need to have some sort of heavy equipment to pull that off. Anyway, I find the whole idea Bigfoot perfectly plausible. The Pacific Northwest has vast areas of wilderness. Of all the Fortean phenomena, it seems like the most likely to turn out to be true.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

After some quick Googling, it looks like Todd Standing is seen as shady even in the bigfoot community. I didn't find anything bad about Les Stroud, though. I also didn't find any real details other than he thinks he saw bigfoot in Alaska once and did several episodes devoted to finding bigfoot (but found nothing).

 

[Deleted member 429137]

He's had what he thinks is a bigfoot encounter. He talked about it when he was on the JRE podcast. He's done two seasons of his show looking for bigfoot. He is a legit believer.

Dude he did a whole season of Survivorman where all he did was look for Bigfoot. Also claims to have encountered one in I believe it was Alaska. He talked about it on Rogan before.

The inverted tree thing is bizarre. Big fucking ass trees driven deep into the ground in way out of the way places. To me it seem like a person would need to have some sort of heavy equipment to pull that off. Anyway, I find the whole idea Bigfoot perfectly plausible. The Pacific Northwest has vast areas of wilderness. Of all the Fortean phenomena, it seems like the most likely to turn out to be true.

Thanks for the info on Stroud. I was doing a bit of searching while you guys were answering my questions, so thanks for trying to save me some effort lol

Going to look up this inverted tree thing now. I'm curious...

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

He's had what he thinks is a bigfoot encounter. He talked about it when he was on the JRE podcast. He's done two seasons of his show looking for bigfoot. He is a legit believer.

Yeh and see I consider him to be very credible. That guy knows a lot of shit about shit out in the woods.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

It looks like Bigfoot believers themselves are debunking the inverted trees: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/225188-upside-down-trees/

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

It looks like Bigfoot believers themselves are debunking the inverted trees: http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum/topic/225188-upside-down-trees/

Which post was debunking it?

Anyway, I don't know if Bigfoot is running around in the woods jamming trees into the ground, but I'm going to need a better source than an Internet forum before I totally dismiss it.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Which post was debunking it?

At least one of the posts talked cited a source where loggers had inverted trees. (And my own searching turned up a botanical garden of inverted trees that was created when some guy stumbled across trees uprooted by a landslide and decided to replant them upside down.)

I, personally, can't see one reason to believe that, if there truly are inverted trees without explanation, they must therefore be used by male bigfoot to mark their territory. And it looks like many people on that website devoted to believers of unexplained phenomena also found the bigfoot angle too much to swallow.

Anyway, I don't know if Bigfoot is running around in the woods jamming trees into the ground, but I'm going to need a better source than an Internet forum before I totally dismiss it.

Where did you encounter the theory that Bigfoot WAS uprooting trees and jamming them in the ground again? I assumed it came from the internet in the first place.

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

At least one of the posts talked cited a source where loggers had inverted trees. (And my own searching turned up a botanical garden of inverted trees that was created when some guy stumbled across trees uprooted by a landslide and decided to replant them upside down.)

I, personally, can't see one reason to believe that, if there truly are inverted trees without explanation, they must therefore be used by male bigfoot to mark their territory. And it looks like many people on that website devoted to believers of unexplained phenomena also found the bigfoot angle too much to swallow.



Where did you encounter the theory that Bigfoot WAS uprooting trees and jamming them in the ground again? I assumed it came from the internet in the first place.

Fuck idk, probably documentaries and shit. I haven't looked into Bigfoot in quite awhile. I have pretty extensively in past though. I believe Les Stroud mentioned it also.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Fuck idk, probably documentaries and shit. I haven't looked into Bigfoot in quite awhile. I have pretty extensively in past though. I believe Les Stroud mentioned it also.

I have to admit this thread has me interested in watching a bigfoot documentary or two. I may be hitting up youtube for some madness in the next few days. lol

 

[Hans Gercmiov]

I have to admit this thread has me interested in watching a bigfoot documentary or two. I may be hitting up youtube for some madness in the next few days. lol

Check out some of Bob Gimlin's interviews. Very interesting guy. Comes across as super sincere.

 

[BearGrounds]

Look at this drawing done by patterson, BEFORE the film and before he had ever claimed to had even seen bigfoot.

Strikingly similar, and debunks the claims by believers the detail of it having breasts was something that a hillbilly like Patterson wouldn't come up with.

Keep in mind that the footprints that were found in that area before Patterson investigated it have been proven to be a hoax. So what are the odds that someone tricks him into going somewhere to find bigfoot, and even though what led him there was a hoax he randomly happened upon a bigfoot anyway, and one that looks nearly exactly like a drawing he made up years earlier.

I don't buy the whole "couldn't be faked in 1967 bs."

The whole basis for that claim was made on the fact that they didn't have stretchy fur material back then in hollywood costumes, BUT the claim by those that say they helped hoax it is that they used a fresh animal skin to make the costume, which would stretch and look better than even today's best artificial special FX material.

I can't prove it was a hoax, and it is a very good one if it is. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and this is not that.

Yea, I was aware that Patterson had written a short book which included multiple drawings he had done based on eyewitness accounts. It stands to reason that if the species exists, there must be female Sasquatch with female characteristics.

Added to that, there was a drawing done by William Roe's daughter (an account I brought up earlier ITT of a person who had the opportunity to kill one but opted not to because it seemed too human-like for him to bring himself to do so) that sported breasts.

His encounter took place in 1955, here's her drawing which is noticeably female, as Roe described the creature as such.

Link to full account details by Roe:
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/roe.htm

What I was not aware of was the claim of animal skin being used. I have not heard Morris claim anything of the sort nor Heironimus. Where did you get that claim from?

As for the prints being proven hoaxed, are you talking about the claims of Ray Wallace?

 

[BearGrounds]

I have to admit this thread has me interested in watching a bigfoot documentary or two. I may be hitting up youtube for some madness in the next few days. lol

Bigfoot's Reflection currently on Netflix isn't bad. If you have Netflix check it out. Bindernagel is featured in it.

How are they associated with Bigfoot? Has Bigfoot been seen to be interacting with the trees?

Idk about the overturned trees specifically, but yes, Sasquatch has been reported to alter trees for territorial markers as well as to use them as weapons. Branch twisting is commonly claimed to be one of their methods of marking. A retired ranger also claims they will break off saplings at like 6 foot heights to indicate their territory.

(skip to about the 5 min mark to hear the retired ranger's testimony)


From "The Discovery of the Sasquatch." by John Bindernagel.

California, 1891. Reported in the Daily Democrat of Woodland, California on April 9,1891. Titled "What is it?: An Unheard of Monstrosity Seen in the Woods Above Rumsey."

"it would break off the great branches of trees that were around it and snap them as easily as if they had been so many toothpicks. Once it pulled up a sapling five inches through at the base, and snapping it in twain, brandished the lower part over its head, much after the same manner a man would swing a club."

Georgia, 1889. The Atlanta Constitution of Feb 4, 1889 reproduced a story from the Walker County Messenger.

"[He] was about 7 or 7 1/2 feet high, hairy as an old bear, and would weigh, from his looks, 400 pounds, [and] had a pole in one hand that looked to be ten foot long, which he handled as easy as a stout, healthy man would a pipestem."

 

[irish_thug]

Thanks for the info on Stroud. I was doing a bit of searching while you guys were answering my questions, so thanks for trying to save me some effort lol

Going to look up this inverted tree thing now. I'm curious...

They also break trees at about the 10 foot mark and leave them in an inverted v shape.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Bigfoot's Reflection currently on Netflix isn't bad. If you have Netflix check it out. Bindernagel is featured in it.



Idk about the overturned trees specifically, but yes, Sasquatch has been reported to alter trees for territorial markers as well as to use them as weapons. Branch twisting is commonly claimed to be one of their methods of marking. A retired ranger also claims they will break off saplings at like 6 foot heights to indicate their territory.

(skip to about the 5 min mark to hear the retired ranger's testimony)


From "The Discovery of the Sasquatch." by John Bindernagel.

I'll check out Bigfoot's Reflection, but that youtube vid is exactly the kind of thing that drives me away from Bigfoot experts for information on Bigfoot. When it got to the crescendo of opera music over the Memorial Day bigfoot footage I had to tap out.

 

[BearGrounds]

I'll check out Bigfoot's Reflection, but that youtube vid is exactly the kind of thing that drives me away from Bigfoot experts for information on Bigfoot. When it got to the crescendo of opera music over the Memorial Day bigfoot footage I had to tap out.

Lol YT/local news, what can you expect?

I linked it specifically for what the retired ranger says about the snapping of saplings for territorial marking. Feel free to pass on watching the rest if it's not your cup of tea.

 

[Deleted member 429137]

Lol YT/local news, what can you expect?

When you put it like this I suddenly have great appreciation for this clip. I never before considered what a special interest fluff piece for mountain folk would look like.

I'll check out Bigfoot's Reflection. I've got some time tomorrow where I have to do some artwork, so that's what I'll watch as I draw.

 

[D Train]

Cameras are not all over the place. There are absolutely huge areas especially in the Pacific Northwest, Canada, and Alaska that are unexplored. Heck, there could be a family of Bigfoots on my grandfather's land in central Mississippi and no one would ever know because it's heavily wooded and inaccessible

My father in law lives in MS, a small cattle farming community. His grandparents told stories about the Hairy Man. It's interesting that so many disparate communities have such similar stories.

 

[The Sausage King]

Yea, I was aware that Patterson had written a short book which included multiple drawings he had done based on eyewitness accounts. It stands to reason that if the species exists, there must be female Sasquatch with female characteristics.

Added to that, there was a drawing done by William Roe's daughter (an account I brought up earlier ITT of a person who had the opportunity to kill one but opted not to because it seemed too human-like for him to bring himself to do so) that sported breasts.

His encounter took place in 1955, here's her drawing which is noticeably female, as Roe described the creature as such.

Link to full account details by Roe:
http://www.bigfootencounters.com/classics/roe.htm

What I was not aware of was the claim of animal skin being used. I have not heard Morris claim anything of the sort nor Heironimus. Where did you get that claim from?

As for the prints being proven hoaxed, are you talking about the claims of Ray Wallace?

Here is a quote from Roe from the source you posted -

"The shape of this creature's head somewhat resembled a Negro's."

THAT'S RACIST !!

 

[The Sausage King]

My father in law lives in MS, a small cattle farming community. His grandparents told stories about the Hairy Man. It's interesting that so many disparate communities have such similar stories.

That's because the country has scattered populations of Greeks, Persians, and Armenians