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[GrantB13]

is it? why not move away from the program then, and ensure the "fallacy" isn't given more legs?
cause as it stands now, if i see a minority hired by some company, the thought process is - ah, very likely diversity hire. it's a very reasonable conclusion as long as programs like DEI exist.

At that point it's more of a personal problem until society shifts their mindset. But ideally that's what needs to happen anyway regarding the way we see other people.

It still amounts to the same thing. If jamarquavious is qualified with a rating of 90 and Adolphus Aryan has a rating of 98 you would still be giving the job to the less qualified candidate and over time making whatever field shittier each time you repeat the cycle .

Hiring managers or other decision makers can do that regardless of race. People with lower qualifications get hired on X factor every day. I've even gotten a job myself based on other factors than pure qualification. And for important jobs I'm sure there's strict qualifications. A pilot needs so many flights hours. A doctor needs to be properly educated. I don't know what the tolerances are for the DEI decision but if a company is hiring crappy people just for the racial quota then the system needs adjusting. We don't have to gut every single thing that has issues but that's the way this administration seems to handle things.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

At that point it's more of a personal problem until society shifts their mindset.

Why would society shift its mindset? what mindset would that be?

But ideally that's what needs to happen anyway regarding the way we see other people.

Why would we want to stop seeing people as worthy of their employment thought their talent and expertise?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Fuck! I missed it. I consider myself a bit of a cult film expert too so I feel ashamed. In my defense, I haven't seen it in a quarter century. The cover of the VHS used to give me nightmares though.

- I dont like horor movies besides ones with crocs and gators. But watched to se the nudes. I was young and horny, after watching that movie i only stayed young at the time.

 

[GrantB13]

Why would society shift its mindset? what mindset would that be?

Why would we want to stop seeing people as worthy of their employment thought their talent and expertise?

I'm talking about getting to a point where we don't need the idea of DEI because it's not a problem. I'm sure this will get a "racism isn't a problem" response but that's completely untrue. If YOU think every time there's a black hire that's it's political then that's YOUR mindset.

As for the second quote, that's completely not at all the context I'm meaning. The societal shift I'm talking about is essentially "I don't see color". But that's flawed too because people are different and suppressing someone's culture is harmful. So really, fuck it. The whole human race is flawed. That about sums it up. Nothing we do can be a complete fix because there's nuances in every single aspect of life. Nobody has the answer.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

I'm talking about getting to a point where we don't need the idea of DEI because it's not a problem. I'm sure this will get a "racism isn't a problem" response but that's completely untrue. If YOU think every time there's a black hire that's it's political then that's YOUR mindset.

As for the second quote, that's completely not at all the context I'm meaning. The societal shift I'm talking about is essentially "I don't see color". But that's flawed too because people are different and suppressing someone's culture is harmful. So really, fuck it. The whole human race is flawed. That about sums it up. Nothing we do can be a complete fix because there's nuances in every single aspect of life. Nobody has the answer.

So perhaps pushing ideologies that force competence as secondary to skin color isn't what's needed for "fighting racism". Cause that just gives fuel to looking at people as less competent.

 

[GrantB13]

So perhaps pushing ideologies that force competence as secondary to skin color isn't what's needed for "fighting racism". Cause that just gives fuel to looking at people as less competent.

There comes a point where it becomes reverse-racism and stuff like that. The idea is to normalize everything to create the social change but like LGBT it can have a resistive response. But again, nobody has the answers.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

There comes a point where it becomes reverse-racism and stuff like that.

what point is that?

The idea is to normalize everything to create the social change but like LGBT it can have a resistive response.

Normalize according to who? there's no objective baseline. it's just pushing things by force. normality isn't having dudes dress up as women and competing in womens sports. thats crazy talk. no shit there's a resistive response. it's a natural, reasonable response to a society losing it's grip to reality.

But again, nobody has the answers.

that's suspiciously relativistic to take seriously.

 

[Andy Capp]

I'm talking about getting to a point where we don't need the idea of DEI because it's not a problem. I'm sure this will get a "racism isn't a problem" response but that's completely untrue. If YOU think every time there's a black hire that's it's political then that's YOUR mindset.

As for the second quote, that's completely not at all the context I'm meaning. The societal shift I'm talking about is essentially "I don't see color". But that's flawed too because people are different and suppressing someone's culture is harmful. So really, fuck it. The whole human race is flawed. That about sums it up. Nothing we do can be a complete fix because there's nuances in every single aspect of life. Nobody has the answer.

I agree. Re: the bold, now, imagine that guy as the person doing the hiring for one department in a larger organization and you should be able to understand the reason for instituting DEI policies to ensure people get a fair shot regardless of how they look. That such policies may be occasionally misapplied should be easier to ameliorate than doing nothing and trusting to luck.

 

[GrantB13]

what point is that?

Normalize according to who? there's no objective baseline. it's just pushing things by force. normality isn't having dudes dress up as women and competing in womens sports. thats crazy talk. no shit there's a resistive response. it's a natural, reasonable response to a society losing it's grip to reality.

that's suspiciously relativistic to take seriously.

I hesitated even mentioning LGBT because I don't want to change the topics. But as you said, there's no objective baseline. Things are only what society agrees on a large scale to adhere to. If you're not causing harm to someone then there's little wrong with it. And by reverse-racism I meant a knock to DEI in the sense that hiring, giving assistance, building colleges for minorities can in a way be discriminatory towards majority groups and further cementing the differences in races which can have the opposite intended effect.

But as far as not taking my relativistic opinion seriously, if someone has the perfect answerer for solving inequality and inclusion that benefits everyone and excludes no one then please bring it forward.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

But as far as not taking my relativistic opinion seriously, if someone has the perfect answerer for solving inequality and inclusion that benefits everyone and excludes no one then please bring it forward.

 

[GrantB13]

I agree with that and is what I was trying to say but with a lot more words. I agreed with that video when I first saw it. Unfortunately it doesn't work in practice at the moment but that's the societal mindset change I was conveying. I'm not sure if it IS possible the completely end racism. There's probably very few people in this world who genuinely don't have a somewhat racist thought in their mind.

 

[Spam On Rye]

- I dont like horor movies besides ones with crocs and gators. But watched to se the nudes. I was young and horny, after watching that movie i only stayed young at the time.

I like horror but not big on the gore. But yeah, a boy will suffer through anything for some boobies. Would stay up til 4 in the morning just to watch the Emmanuel films.

Also, watch Lewis Teague's Alligator if you haven't seen that one yet. Just got it on physical media and it holds up surprisingly well. Kind of like a Cujo but in water.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

I like horror but not big on the gore. But yeah, a boy will suffer through anything for some boobies. Would stay up til 4 in the morning just to watch the Emmanuel films.

Also, watch Lewis Teague's Alligator if you haven't seen that one yet. Just got it on physical media and it holds up surprisingly well. Kind of like a Cujo but in water.

- I watch from time to time. Always liked the second more. Dark Age was god too.
Used to watch Emanuele and I love to play games. Man those movies are bad.