The narrative that Volkanovski did more damage?

[Judge Lance Ito]

Volk was never getting out of that body lock in round 4, so he was the one saved by the bell.

 

[markys00]

Man, Islam fans are trying hard to cope

 

[Conan the K-9]

Fighters always get advises from their coaches. this means that all fighters are in trouble because they don’t do what the coaches want or see.

Have you heard the coaches of Volkanovski?
They told things that he didn’t do well. this means he was in trouble.
Volkanovski had his chin up high in the air because he was in trouble.

Lol, good try!

 

[Dirty Frank]

I mean there was only one guy who was breathing heavy and got punched easier and easier by the second when the fight was finished. Lucky that it wasn't for a little longer.

Other than that, I know that Josh was hurting in his body when that was over. But I wouldn't guess Yair would have the same timetable.

Fucking UFC doctors. They know way fucking less than these random geniuses on Sherdog.

The cope is stronger than facts, to this day stiill. .

 

[chinarice]

LOL fucking hell Islam fans prove more and more to have very little understanding of what MMA is

Just another thread to prove it

Josh Emmett definitely did equal damage to Yair! Look at those equal suspensions! HERP DERP!

 

[SteelEz]

Volk was never getting out of that body lock in round 4, so he was the one saved by the bell.

Exactly. And it's not like fighters resume fights from last position in previous rounds. All rounds start standing, which clearly favours strikers over grapplers and give them the advantage.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Volkanovski didn’t want to get up in the fourth round. He didn’t want to take damage on the feet. Islam was piecing him up. He decided to accept his position.
Every counter was bullseye.

Funny, the exact reverse of that narrative is what I saw.
Mak waz teh one holding it down, and that's all he did while getting pounded out to the point they needed teh swole tool on his eye between roundz.

There were at least 8 or so pretty solid Volk strikes from that position... way more than anything Mak did while not doing anything but holding the position he got 3 minutes ago.

 

[Doughie99]

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

Considering Yair and Josh have the same suspension, you just crushed your own narrative.

I mean, it's a nice gotcha, but no it doesn't? Damage is supposed to be the strongest judging considering. Yair vs Josh didn't need a judge because Josh was tapped out.

 

[Wonderfight]

Fucking UFC doctors. They know way fucking less than these random geniuses on Sherdog.

The cope is stronger than facts, to this day stiill. .

You can absolutely demolish someone and still have same suspension time as him, I don’t know if people are acting that they are stupid or what. Suspension has nothing to do with who dealt more damage, you can break your fist while absolutely killing someone, one of many examples. I mean look at Rodriguez Emmet, another example from the same card. We are talking about facts of the fight night, not many injuries you can carry from the fight for whatever reason. Just as it was obvious that Emmet was in world of hurt more then Yair, it was obvious Islam was more than the Volk. Nothing wrong with that, his cardio was just not on Volks level. And he got hurt while tired, it wouldn’t be easy for anyone.

 

[TheTickG]

I mean, it's a nice gotcha, but no it doesn't? Damage is supposed to be the strongest judging considering. Yair vs Josh didn't need a judge because Josh was tapped out.

He's using the suspension time to say that it ends the narrative that Volk did more damage.

Using the original image and logic used by the TS, that would also mean Josh and Yair did the same amount of damage to each other considering their equal suspensions. If you watched the fight you would know why that's completely wrong.

It's a bad premise created by the TS, and TS shows exactly why his logic is wrong, in his own image.

 

[NicholasJBasile]

Folks love to show post fight photos of faces as a means of showing who won and who lost. To me, that isn't particularly revelant -- just shows scar tissue and bruising vulnerability in my opinion.

 

[Mohawk Banditó]

He's using the suspension time to say that it ends the narrative that Volk did more damage.

Using the original image and logic used by the TS, that would also mean Josh and Yair did the same amount of damage to each other considering their equal suspensions. If you watched the fight you would know why that's completely wrong.

It's a bad premise created by the TS, and TS shows exactly why his logic is wrong, in his own image.

Based on the visual action of what happened in that fight, yeah, kinda. But also not really in the hypothetical sense that the winner of a finish can still be more damaged. In this case, if a single punch Emmett threw could have the medical staff concerned that Yair's orbital was damaged, so that suspension was given to him, same as Josh was possibly given a suspension for potential damage to his arm from the triangle, you could still make the argument that Yair 'took more damage' from a medical standpoint.

TS's comparison is silly, imo, because we know medicals doesn't confirm the action, as you're suggesting, I just think comparing medicals to other fights proves that silliness immediately wrong.

 

[Redando]

Funny, the exact reverse of that narrative is what I saw.
Mak waz teh one holding it down, and that's all he did while getting pounded out to the point they needed teh swole tool on his eye between roundz.

There were at least 8 or so pretty solid Volk strikes from that position... way more than anything Mak did while not doing anything but holding the position he got 3 minutes ago.

why didn’t the referee stop the fight? you claim that he was landing 8 unanswered solid punches on Makhachev.
why didn’t he stop the fight and give Volkanovski a tko?
Because these punches are baby punches.

 

[jitzmonkey]

Seems like the people going back and forth about who won, who would’ve won in pride rules, what would’ve happened in a make believe 6th round, etc… are just trying to ruin the sport for themselves.

It was a great fight.
They both have great opponents coming up in their respective divisions.
If we’re lucky, we might get a rematch down the road.
It’s a win/win/win

 

[Myrddin Wild]

why didn’t the referee stop the fight? you claim that he was landing 8 unanswered solid punches on Makhachev.
why didn’t he stop the fight and give Volkanovski a tko?
Because these punches are baby punches.

I'm glad we had this opportunity to chat. It turnz out there's actually a large variety of damaging strikes that can be reckoned between the levels of "insignificant... to ref stopping strikes" that are completely valid & damaging as well as being one of 2 of teh primary scoring criteria for most decisions.


obviously


Notice: Mak didn't need the swole tool on that right cheek between rounds prior to round 4... but he did after. That was where Volk was striking while his back was taken, & all our opinionz on how hard those strikes were are trumped by that physical proof. They were damaging & so were significant.

 

[Redando]

I'm glad we had this opportunity to chat. It turnz out there's actually a large variety of damaging strikes that can be reckoned between the levels of "insignificant... to ref stopping strikes" that are completely valid & damaging as well as being one of 2 of teh primary scoring criteria for most decisions.


obviously


Notice: Mak didn't need the swole tool on that right cheek between rounds prior to round 4... but he did after. That was where Volk was striking while his back was taken, & all our opinionz on how hard those strikes were are trumped by that physical proof. They were damaging & so were significant.

physical marks is not evidence of damage. You can’t go by looks.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

What a horrible thread.

There are loads of times the winner has been suspended longer than the loser.

Brutal.

 

[tkotom]

Islam was begging for the fight to end. He got absolutely demolished in that final round. If it went one more he’d have been stopped. Yes these are 5 round fights with rules. But don’t pretend like Islam wasn’t getting the shot beaten out of him. His wrestling was completely nullified and he was getting blasted.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

physical marks is not evidence of damage. You can’t go by looks.

It's literally one of the things a judge holds in the highest of regard.
I've seen fights where one guy clearly outstruck the other, but a decision went the other way because one guy showed more damage.