The most liberal pope since Jesus?

[SakuMemories]

He is kinda right in his ignorance.

Term "Catholic" is older than The Great Schism. It has Greek origins and it's original meaning is "believer" if I am not mistaken. So in that sense, every Christian was a Catholic. That is why it got a prefix "Roman" after the schism.

But yeah, not too many people know anything outside Catholic - Protestant division.

You are right that its a very old term (it means universal, not believer) its just that in modern terminology it can be misleading. And, obviously, only a modern catholic would use it that way.

You must belong to a "orthodox" church to find fault with my statement.

I'm an atheist, its just that I disagree with such semantics that paint a misleading picture. I mean technically you might be correct but when english-speaking people say "catholic" its understood that they mean papists. In reality, the orthodox churches refer to their own dogma as "catholic" as well.

 

[dontsnitch]

Exactly . . .

The church I attend has three different types of services (praise and worship is different) with all receiving the same message.

I used to go to a church that did the same, three services, each less formal than the previous one.

 

[Harmonica]

Funny how God can change his mind so much in a couple years.

Hey, nobody's perfect. He has matured a lot since the old days, it would be really unfair to him if we neglect that fact.

You are right that its a very old term (it means universal, not believer) its just that in modern terminology it can be misleading. And, obviously, only a modern catholic would use it that way.

Yup, I researched it afterwards and found it's meaning, I mixed things up a bit.

 

[Oak]

Jesus wasn't a lib though

 

[UpaLoompa]

Jesus wasn't a lib though

You're right. He and the apostles and the early christians after them were communists.

 

[Harmonica]

You're right. He and the apostles and the early christians after them were communists.

Yes. Take out the whole God part and Jesus could be a great role model for the communists.

 

[Halge]

Liberal? I'm getting commie vibes myself.

 

[Ruprecht]

Yes. Take out the whole God part and Jesus could be a great role model for the communists.

More communalist than Marx inspired communist. "koinonia"

 

[UpaLoompa]

More communalist than Marx inspired communist. "koinonia"

Definitely not a carpenter from texas.

 

[Harmonica]

More communalist than Marx inspired communist. "koinonia"

True, I simplified things a bit for shock value. :icon_chee

 

[DiegoLunes]

The Pope is a sham. He is trying to tell people what they want to hear and dummies fall for it.

 

[UpaLoompa]

The Pope is a sham. He is trying to tell people what they want to hear and dummies fall for it.

So... like every preacher/preist/iman/etc.

 

[the bRaT]

The current Pope, Pope Francis, is pretty liberal. He tried to change the catholic stance towards gays, condoms are still cool these days, he's even encouraging people to try and fight corporate greed: meaning he wants to address poverty and climate change.

IMO he's the most liberal pope since Jesus, unless you count Oprah as Pope of America, which she of course is.

He didn't try to change the Catholic stance toward gays.

 

[the bRaT]

I just googled and read a bit, and I don't think he supports gays. He's just backed away from active political opposition. As a bishop he opposed gay marriage in Argentina. The closest I've read to support was his statement, "Who are we to judge?"
Also it was Pope Benedict that said condoms were OK to prevent disease (but not for contraception, which seems a little vague). Pope Francis is still conservative on contraception issues, although he's said being a good Catholic doesn't mean breeding like rabbits.

Condoms are OK for male prostitutes (who have sex with males) so that they can protect against disease, though ultimately that sex is wrong. Sex with condoms between men and women is always a no-no

 

[the bRaT]

I disagree, there are many verses that warn to not add to the scriptures. Proverbs 30:6 and the end of Revelation are the ones that I know, but there are others.

The beliefs about Mary is a perfect example. They go against scripture when they worship her, and make her without sin. The Bible clearly says to not worship any man, and that all men are sinful. This is not a question of hermeneutics, it's a clear false teaching.

The writers of the biblical documents had no consciousness of the bible, you know that , right?

 

[Arkain2K]

The beliefs about Mary is a perfect example. They go against scripture when they worship her, and make her without sin. The Bible clearly says to not worship any man, and that all men are sinful. This is not a question of hermeneutics, it's a clear false teaching.

No, I'm pretty sure this is a clear case of a non-Catholic making stuff up.

Catholics worships God, while venerating (honoring) Mary and the Saints.

Unfortunately, many non-Catholics have been so schooled in hostility toward the Church that they appear unable or unwilling to recognize these distinctions. They confidently (often arrogantly) assert that Catholics "worship" Mary and the saints, and, in so doing, commit idolatry. This is patently false, of course, but the education in anti-Catholic prejudice is so strong that one must patiently explain that Catholics do not worship anyone but God—at least given the contemporary use of the term. The Church is very strict about the fact that latria, adoration—what contemporary English speakers call "worship"—is to be given only to God.

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/saint-worship

 

[franklinstower]

That's because American conservative christians put their politics above all. The pope is clashing with their political views! Anti-Christ!

And they say that about every single pope and every single liberal president...

 

[Teppodama]

Trust no one that claims to speak for God. You may be introduced to the Word through believers but after that introduction, it's on you to build you own personal relationship and understanding of the faith and God cause come judgement you're on the carpet alone.

 

[Teppodama]

No, I'm pretty sure this is a clear case of a non-Catholic making stuff up.

Catholics worships God, while venerating (honoring) Mary and the Saints.

If you pray for intercession from Mary or any of the saints, you are in fact offering up a form of worship no different than if you did so before an idol or symbol. Aside from that, why not take your prayer straight to and solely to Christ? Do you need an intercessor? Why would their support weigh any more toward a situation or request when we are judged by our own actions and faith?

 

[jax7]

If you pray for intercession from Mary or any of the saints, you are in fact offering up a form of worship no different than if you did so before an idol or symbol. Aside from that, why not take your prayer straight to and solely to Christ? Do you need an intercessor? Why would their support weigh any more toward a situation or request when we are judged by our own actions and faith?

Do you take prayer request's for people at church or their family? I guess if they asked you to pray for them it would be committing idolatry also? Or are you able to do something the saints cant? Are you closer to God than the saints?