The most liberal pope since Jesus?

[GrindingANARCHY]

What about enabling child rape in the name of god?

Venial or Mortal?

Where does the Bible say it's ok to rape children? Never read that.

 

[PorkPiePusher]

They trotted him out to fill pews and repair the damaged PR that occurred when people in parishes around the world got sick of centuries of bum-sex that priests in his religious corporation were having with small children.

I wonder if you speak of schools as institutions with the same disdain...

Consider the statistics: In accordance with a requirement of President Bush's No Child Left Behind Act, in 2002 the Department of Education carried out a study of sexual abuse in the school system.

Hofstra University researcher Charol Shakeshaft looked into the problem, and the first thing that came to her mind when Education Week reported on the study were the daily headlines about the Catholic Church.

"[T]hink the Catholic Church has a problem?" she said. "The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

So, in order to better protect children, did media outlets start hounding the worse menace of the school systems, with headlines about a "Nationwide Teacher Molestation Cover-up" and by asking "Are Ed Schools Producing philes?"

Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/

 

[LionExMachina]

I wonder if you speak of schools as institutions with the same disdain...



Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-media-ignored-sex-abuse-in-school/

Do you think that sexual molestation of children in schools excuses the fact that the church, which is the self-declared moral lodestone for humanity has raped children for centuries?

But to answer your question, I have disdain for diddlers of all faiths and from all hierarchies. Your religous "what-aboutery" can find no purchase with me.

 

[LionExMachina]

Where does the Bible say it's ok to rape children? Never read that.

Where does the bible say the Vatican has to have a gold roof?

Or that there even needs to be a Vatican?

Never read that either.

 

[Ruprecht]

None of the controversial statements Francis has made were made ex cathedra, i.e. under papal infallibility. Not that that matters since, as I said above, all of his statements have been in total alignment with preexisting Catholic doctrine.

Sure, but he seems to have shifted stance (his own personal stance, and so presumably the stance he's advocating) away from active political opposition.
His statements reflect that he doesn't want the Church to be defined by opposition to gays, abortion, contraception or by right-wing political agendas (presumably he doesn't want it defined by philia either, but I can understand him not trumpeting that one).
This is still somewhat in contrast to Ratzinger.

 

[dontsnitch]

What about enabling child rape in the name of god?

Venial or Mortal?

I don't understand the objection here. What does someone committing a sin (in the name of God or otherwise) have to do with God himself?

 

[GrindingANARCHY]

Where does the bible say the Vatican has to have a gold roof?

Or that there even needs to be a Vatican?

Never read that either.

I don't believe in the Pope nor do I believe or respect anything he does. IMO, he's a false prophet.

I believe in God, I'm trusting in Jesus and that's it.

 

[LionExMachina]

I don't believe in the Pope nor do I believe or respect anything he does. IMO, he's a false prophet.

I believe in God, I'm trusting in Jesus and that's it.

Fair enough.

 

[Luger]

Where does the Bible say it's ok to rape children? Never read that.

In numbers god tells them to kill everyone except the virgins and they should rape them.

 

[GrindingANARCHY]

Do you think that sexual molestation of children in schools excuses the fact that the church, which is the self-declared moral lodestone for humanity has raped children for centuries?

But to answer your question, I have disdain for diddlers of all faiths and from all hierarchies. Your religous "what-aboutery" can find no purchase with me.

For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
For there is no righteous, no, not one.

There's 2 bible verses for you proving that all men are sinful and all men are corrupt. The problem with non believers is that they don't realize that all sin, even those who believe in God.
All men sin and will continue to sin until they die or until the Lord returns.

 

[Forkfoot]

Where does the bible say the Vatican has to have a gold roof?

Or that there even needs to be a Vatican?

Never read that either.

Sola scriptura isn't a Catholic belief; it was invented by protestants. And actually there's nothing in the Bible saying you should only believe what's in the Bible. So sola scriptura is not only not Catholic, it's not even scriptural.

 

[GrindingANARCHY]

In numbers god tells them to kill everyone except the virgins and they should rape them.

Verse?

 

[Luger]

Verse?

14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.

15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?

16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the Lord in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the Lord.

17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.

18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.

There you go

 

[Forkfoot]

Sure, but he seems to have shifted stance (his own personal stance, and so presumably the stance he's advocating) away from active political opposition.
His statements reflect that he doesn't want the Church to be defined by opposition to gays, abortion, contraception or by right-wing political agendas (presumably he doesn't want it defined by philia either, but I can understand him not trumpeting that one).
This is still somewhat in contrast to Ratzinger.

He's definitely a different Pope from Benedict. They were both equally Catholic though, so I don't know if it's accurate to categorize them as "liberal" or "conservative". It's like we need to really warp what they're actually doing to squeeze them into our secular reality tunnels.

 

[LionExMachina]

I don't understand the objection here. What does someone committing a sin (in the name of God or otherwise) have to do with God himself?

It's the fact that it is someone who the consensus middle man between humanity and god.

I'am assuming (based on how that religion works) that it is gods mandate, to have a "peter" or a "pope" to guide the sinners of the world to salvation, and be the "rock" upon which the church's authority to do so stands.

If successive popes are washing mafia money through their Vatican banks, and endorsing and enabling child-rape for generations, then does that have to say about Mr. Adonai (aka G-Wheezy)?

 

[GrindingANARCHY]

There you go

Moses said it.

 

[GrindingANARCHY]

It's the fact that it is someone who the consensus middle man between humanity and god.

I'am assuming (based on how that religion works) that it is gods mandate, to have a "peter" or a "pope" to guide the sinners of the world to salvation, and be the "rock" upon which the church's authority to do so stands.

If successive popes are washing mafia money through their Vatican banks, and endorsing and enabling child-rape for generations, then does that have to say about Mr. Adonai (aka G-Wheezy)?

The middle man between God and man, is Christ, not the Pope or Peter.

 

[Ruprecht]

He's definitely a different Pope from Benedict. They were both equally Catholic though, so I don't know if it's accurate to categorize them as "liberal" or "conservative". It's like we need to really warp what they're actually doing to squeeze them into our secular reality tunnels.

Yeah, well... calling the Pope a "liberal" because he thinks we should act on Climate Change certainly strikes me as "American", that's for sure.

 

[dontsnitch]

It's the fact that it is someone who the consensus middle man between humanity and god.

I'am assuming (based on how that religion works) that it is gods mandate, to have a "peter" or a "pope" to guide the sinners of the world to salvation, and be the "rock" upon which the church's authority to do so stands.

If successive popes are washing mafia money through their Vatican banks, and endorsing and enabling child-rape for generations, then does that have to say about Mr. Adonai (aka G-Wheezy)?

I would question your premise that it is God's mandate. I would also question that God approves of man's wrong doings.

 

[LionExMachina]

Sola scriptura isn't a Catholic belief; it was invented by protestants. And actually there's nothing in the Bible saying you should only believe what's in the Bible. So sola scriptura is not only not Catholic, it's not even scriptural.

Ah....so then is the pope the final authority or...?