Economy The Miraculous Transformation of the San Francisco Bay Area

[koquerelle]

I'm generally curious. What did I accuse you of?

You said I was talking down to him. What?!? You said I was trying to placate him. What?!?!

You basically called me dishonest when I asked a genuine question to @HomeCheese

I'm really curious how a nurse mistake could impact his job. What the fuck is wrong about that? I'm not in that field and it's an interesting subject.

 

[HomeCheese]

Based on what? Please enlighten me.

What is your question about the topic and San Francisco's economy? What didn't you understand?

 

[avenue94]

I’m a city mouse, just not a big city mouse. But then I have friends that have called me a Countey mouse. I mean, not in those words, no one has ever actually called me a mouse or anything like that. As for the politics, I guess you could say I live in trump country even though both my wife and I hate him, but we have enough of a bubble that we have relief away from that when we want it. But I think I would be miserable out there because I would have little relief from what I would feel was too liberal. I am in the middle, but I have my limits. We won’t to Seattle almost ten years ago and it was a bit of a culture shock for me.

I'm not saying San Francisco doesn't have it's host of ills, many self inflicted, but most of the complaints boil down to complaining that Vegas isn't a good family vacation destination.

Not every place can be that.

 

[mozfonky]

Homeless by choice, there are a lot of them up there. Drifters, maybe skipped out on a DUI court case in Idaho or whatever and they just drop out of society. Seattle also has their share of extreme cases, folks with multiple behavioral and physical conditions. Homelessness is bad up there.

horrible, we always had homelessness but no comparison to today. my brother asked once, "where did they all come from?" My theory would be small towns where there is no real help for useless people, or programs to feed and shelter them. Also, the city offers anonymity, something you can't have in small towns, you burn all your bridges there and that's it.

But that's just a guess, I don't know where they all come from. some say the recession of 2009 was the cause but I never understood that. You mean the average person only needs a bit of a hard time before they are not only homeless but also fall into some fucked up cycle of addiction? I don't know.

 

[mozfonky]

Yes but y'all did have Boeing to build around. That's a lot of tax dollars spilling into the region.

That being said, I think you can point to the triumph of democrat policies. Both of these areas are some of the most liberal areas in the country.

i recall there was a huge invasion of californians around 92, that was maybe a turning point for the city. It's nothing like the city I grew up in today. I've never been happy here, always had the Native American issues of alienation but it's never been so unbearable as today. Not only are there all the homeless, there was a recent influx of all sorts of immigrants, which just adds to all the other headaches, the crowding and the issues communicating.

A couple years ago, all of these factors made no sense to me, I told my east-indian buddy that "it seems as if they are intentionally trying to destroy the country, I just can't figure out why". I'm not anti-immigrant but it made no sense to allow hordes of everything into the country, not from any sort of perspective, not from a sustainability one, not from a jobs one, made absolutely no sense. There is a reason Trump has people who'll vote for him no matter how much they know he's not a good guy. Too many things have just gone to shit for reasons that make no sense, it's way more than this or that topic too.

for ex. we recently had a huge hullabaloo over a nude beach where neighbors were demanding that people be arrested for sucking cocks, jerking off or being nude in the wide open. seattle's best solution? they are going to put a block of some kind so all these deviants can jack off without the neighbors being outraged. weird.

 

[mozfonky]

SF is as nice as I have seen it. Last fall I walked about a mile and half of market street at about 10pm, no problem. I stayed in the financial district and it was cleaner than in the 90's. But during the day there were not that many people downtown, I guess a lot of folks still work from home.

Don't believe all the BS stories, SF is awesome.

only been through sf on a drive through back in the 80's. At that time, it was known as the gay capital of the us, there did seem to be a lot of women there who looked single, but I didn't really pick up any other impressions.

However, if it's as rich as people are saying? Then it's like seattle, a total dystopia of disparate classes of people. eventually, i could see that alone, not immigration or any of the other issues, that issue alone could cause civil wars or riots. Poor people, busted, broken, pissy pants are usually passive but they might come to their senses and feel like they have gotten the short end of things while all these smarmy fucks wander through life with their artificial sense of safety.

Poor people are distracted by conflict with other poor people, by drugs and alcohol or by the other common distractions used to entertain or distract them. that's the buffer.

 

[mozfonky]

There does seem to be a serious drug problem in the USA, with estimates that drug dependency is 3 times higher than the UK.

I honestly can't say that's surprising.

Drug addiction is a tragic rot that I personally think reflects attitudes towards those struggling.

it's not talked about enough, we are the most addicted nation on earth and consume like 90 percent of many drugs. If we were so happy with our lifestyle that would not be happening. It's all classes too, whether it's the illegal stuff or the opioid epidemic. Moans of physical pain, mental pain are often given as a reason but people all over the world have those and don't abuse drugs like we do.

In some ways, it's a salve or an "opioid of the masses" like religion. Whatever, it's so common that I'll keep anyone out of my life at this point if they have those issues. It's not just the drugs, it fucks with a persons thinking too, like the drug actually possesses the person and will make anyone who challenges it the bad guy, i don't have time for that shit anymore.

 

[AbominableJoman]

I’d rather not have to walk around drug addicts and feces.

 

[nhbbear]

Good thing, I don't think neurologist prescribe much pain meds. Phar sales overall is BS, I've been a hospital administrator and ran a multi speciality clinic/cancer treatment center and talked with many reps. These sales guys were actually a great way to keep track on the other clinics in the area.

When I had the time I would invite the sales people into my office and have an informal discussion of what was happening in the medical community. These guys had info on everyone. Was a great way to keep an ear to the area.

I like the way Kaiser handles pharmacy. They have a committee that decides everything and sets a menu. A provider can not prescribe anything that is not on the menu. Pharmacy reps are not allowed in the clinics of hospitals unless authorized. No pop ins.

Yeah, I worked in a large hospital as a security supervisor for almost two years and all the clinics have pharm reps having to check in for appointments. It wasn’t like that in the 90s. I applied at a pharmaceutical company for a job in sales, but I had zero experience in sales and it wasn’t a shot in the dark. I think they gave me an interview simply because size of who my father was. But they used to do cold calls and just show up at the doctors office and wait for an opening.

 

[HomeCheese]

horrible, we always had homelessness but no comparison to today. my brother asked once, "where did they all come from?" My theory would be small towns where there is no real help for useless people, or programs to feed and shelter them. Also, the city offers anonymity, something you can't have in small towns, you burn all your bridges there and that's it.

But that's just a guess, I don't know where they all come from. some say the recession of 2009 was the cause but I never understood that. You mean the average person only needs a bit of a hard time before they are not only homeless but also fall into some fucked up cycle of addiction? I don't know.

There were plenty of homeless in SF in the 90's. Lots of homeless in Berkeley in the 70-80's from what I remember.

 

[HomeCheese]

only been through sf on a drive through back in the 80's. At that time, it was known as the gay capital of the us, there did seem to be a lot of women there who looked single, but I didn't really pick up any other impressions.

However, if it's as rich as people are saying? Then it's like seattle, a total dystopia of disparate classes of people. eventually, i could see that alone, not immigration or any of the other issues, that issue alone could cause civil wars or riots. Poor people, busted, broken, pissy pants are usually passive but they might come to their senses and feel like they have gotten the short end of things while all these smarmy fucks wander through life with their artificial sense of safety.

Poor people are distracted by conflict with other poor people, by drugs and alcohol or by the other common distractions used to entertain or distract them. that's the buffer.

SF is beautiful, not dystopian.