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Economy The Miraculous Transformation of the San Francisco Bay Area

Stoic1 said:
Funny thing is I've lived in California.

The unfunny thing is I'm in the US now and can afford to live anywhere I like. There is a reason I don't have to work.

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Cuz of your disability settlement? You still sucking on the tax payor tit? You gonna have a hard time living in a used boat in Iowa.
 
Could have been a great city.

The government ruined it. Immigrants, drug dealers shooting up in the streets, poop and heroin needles all over the sidewalks, tent cities, get robbed regularly, etc.

Also expensive. You can live somewhere nice for half the price.
 

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HomeCheese said:
Homeless come from all over the country because they know the community has money and is soft.
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sounds like Seattle, it's called "freeattle" sarcastically and the temp is moderate year round, we generally have not more than a couple weeks a year if that of extreme hot or cold, it rains alot but that doesn't seem to deter the riff raff from coming. In my view, it doesn't seem quite as bad as it was five years ago but it's still rotten.

Politicians run off at the mouth about more housing and treatment but addicts are addicts and since a large portion of the homeless are just lowlife addicts who don't want to change, they'll be in our faces for awhile. It's a bitch to say but some of these drugs like fent have taken out hundreds of them probably thousands in the last few years here. You don't want life that's one way out for sure.
 
fedorthegoat777 said:
Could have been a great city.

The government ruined it. Immigrants, drug dealers shooting up in the streets, poop and heroin needles all over the sidewalks, tent cities, get robbed regularly, etc.

Also expensive. You can live somewhere nice for half the price.
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pretty much what I hear, never really been there but sounds like many of our cities today. Portland, seattle, all the major cali cities are probably fucked.
 
There does seem to be a serious drug problem in the USA, with estimates that drug dependency is 3 times higher than the UK.

I honestly can't say that's surprising.

Drug addiction is a tragic rot that I personally think reflects attitudes towards those struggling.
 
HomeCheese said:
Right? From almost nothing to trillion dollar companies. Liberal policies run wild. Certainly the Bay Area is most liberal part of the state.
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Bay Area Wealth Gap​

The Bay Area is experiencing a significant wealth gap, with the top 10% of households holding 71% of the region's wealth. This disparity is exacerbated by the concentration of wealth in just nine households, which hold 15% of the region's wealth. The top 10% of earners in the Bay Area make 12.2 times as much as those in the bottom 10th percentile, highlighting the stark economic divide. The region's income inequality has worsened over the years, with the top decile growing significantly more than the bottom decile. The COVID-19 economic crisis has also impacted income inequality, with many households in the bottom 10% relying on industries that experienced job losses.

KQED+5
 
mozfonky said:
sounds like Seattle, it's called "freeattle" sarcastically and the temp is moderate year round, we generally have not more than a couple weeks a year if that of extreme hot or cold, it rains alot but that doesn't seem to deter the riff raff from coming. In my view, it doesn't seem quite as bad as it was five years ago but it's still rotten.

Politicians run off at the mouth about more housing and treatment but addicts are addicts and since a large portion of the homeless are just lowlife addicts who don't want to change, they'll be in our faces for awhile. It's a bitch to say but some of these drugs like fent have taken out hundreds of them probably thousands in the last few years here. You don't want life that's one way out for sure.
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Homeless by choice, there are a lot of them up there. Drifters, maybe skipped out on a DUI court case in Idaho or whatever and they just drop out of society. Seattle also has their share of extreme cases, folks with multiple behavioral and physical conditions. Homelessness is bad up there.
 
AWilder said:
cousin lives there, we visit often over the past 20 years. The places we have been were all clean and just normal big city stuff. I never really understood the flak SF got when it has a lot of cool places to visit and things to do.
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The flak comes from rural goobers who have never left their county, let alone their state. A city to them may as well be Mars.
 
Same can be said of the Seattle area... if you include abutting cities, it might rival SF in billionaires per capita.

Back in the 80s seattle was all blue collar, nobody was rich like that.
 
djacobox372 said:
Same can be said of the Seattle area... if you include abutting cities, it might rival SF in billionaires per capita.

Back in the 80s seattle was all blue collar, nobody was rich like that.
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Yes but y'all did have Boeing to build around. That's a lot of tax dollars spilling into the region.

That being said, I think you can point to the triumph of democrat policies. Both of these areas are some of the most liberal areas in the country.
 
Revolver said:
Didn’t take long for the people too poor to live there or the goat state to chime in how awful of a place it is.
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I went on vacation to NYC back in December. Ever since I've been getting targeted reels of apartments for rent in Manhattan and Brooklyn.

I read the comments and its always like "I pay less than that for my house". Well yeah Cheryl, no one wants to live in bumfuck Kentucky where your whole county smells like cow shit.
 
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I have never been to Sam Fran. No desire to go because I don’t really like really big cities. I love Pittsburgh, but nothing bigger. The fact that you can be making over 200k and still can’t afford a house around there is insane. The house we live in we bought for 400k. In California, it would be a 2 million dollar house.

And crime is an issue there. The crime stats might say that crime is down, but they quit responding to non violent misdemeanors such as car break ins, which are so frequent that people there leave their cars unlocked so the windows aren’t broken. That’s a fucking issue in my book. Their DAs are so fucking soft that they refuse to prosecute non violent misdemeanors. Plus the fucking homeless issue is really bad
 
fedorthegoat777 said:
Could have been a great city.

The government ruined it. Immigrants, drug dealers shooting up in the streets, poop and heroin needles all over the sidewalks, tent cities, get robbed regularly, etc.

Also expensive. You can live somewhere nice for half the price.
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SF is as nice as I have seen it. Last fall I walked about a mile and half of market street at about 10pm, no problem. I stayed in the financial district and it was cleaner than in the 90's. But during the day there were not that many people downtown, I guess a lot of folks still work from home.

Don't believe all the BS stories, SF is awesome.
 
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