Media The Masterful Destruction of Rampage By Jon Jones

[Humongo]

No they aren’t. Jones was also too big for his weight class, he was a natural HW beating old middleweights while on steroids

every time Jones faced an average fighter his size like Gus and Reyes he arguably lost

is that right?

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

is that right?

Jones was on steroids and Gus wasn’t even the same fighter in the rematch. Gus hasn’t looked decent since 2014 lol. As time went on we’ve found out Gus and Reyes were only average fighters and Jones struggled with them. He arguably lost to both guys who were the same size as him

Jones only looks good against old washed up short middleweights. If Jones fought at HW or if LHW had more guys his size then Jones wouldn’t even be better than Corey Anderson

 

[Humongo]

Jones was on steroids and Gus wasn’t even the same fighter in the rematch. Gus hasn’t looked decent since 2014 lol. As time went on we’ve found out Gus and Reyes were only average fighters and Jones struggled with them. He arguably lost to both guys who were the same size as him

Jones only looks good against old washed up short middleweights. If Jones fought at HW or if LHW had more guys his size then Jones wouldn’t even be better than Corey Anderson

meh meh meh meh meh... excuses
your last comment was factually incorrect, don't move the goal post

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

meh meh meh meh meh... excuses
your last comment was factually incorrect, don't move the goal post

No it’s very correct. Jones arguably lost to every fighter his own size who were nothing but average. Even gatekeeper Bonnar at 6’4 was able to take a round off Jones.

When Jones doesn’t have the reach and size advantage he looks human and arguably loses each time

 

[HHJ]

No it’s very correct. Jones arguably lost to every fighter his own size who were nothing but average. Even gatekeeper Bonnar at 6’4 was able to take a round off Jones.

When Jones doesn’t have the reach and size advantage he looks human and arguably loses each time

I dont think its fair to say Gus and Reyes were average at all,and Jones when he fought Bonnar hadnt put his game together yet,he was still very very young,and I honestly think the size had nothing to do with that fight. Jones just wasnt what he would become yet.

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

I dont think its fair to say Gus and Reyes were average at all,and Jones when he fought Bonnar hadnt put his game together yet,he was still very very young,and I honestly think the size had nothing to do with that fight. Jones just wasnt what he would become yet.

Gus and Reyes turned out to be nothing but average gatekeepers. They’ve both lost to lower level LHWs. Just goes to show Jones isn’t that good when facing guys his size. I mean there’s a reason he’s only arguably lost to the 2 guys his size or close. It’s no coincidence lol

most of when Jones looked dominant was against old pride middleweights who are a foot shorter and have a 10-15 inch less reach than Jones.

 

[HHJ]

Gus and Reyes turned out to be nothing but average gatekeepers. They’ve both lost to lower level LHWs. Just goes to show Jones isn’t that good when facing guys his size. I mean there’s a reason he’s only arguably lost to the 2 guys his size or close. It’s no coincidence lol

I dont agree.

Gus gave Jones and DC the hardest fights of their careers. Cant be avg and do that. Reyes was a dangerous fighter who took too much damage in a relativley short amount of time against two guys who wore gold.

 

[HHJ]

I can agree he has a harder time against guys his size. Why wouldnt he have a harder time? But to say those guys are avg is incorrect.

 

[Humongo]

No it’s very correct. Jones arguably lost to every fighter his own size who were nothing but average. Even gatekeeper Bonnar at 6’4 was able to take a round off Jones.

When Jones doesn’t have the reach and size advantage he looks human and arguably loses each time

If being a contender for the title is average to you
Also, arguably means nothing. I can argue about anything, that doesn't mean I'm right. On the opposite side, Jones factually won those fights. There is no ifs about it, it's a fact.

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

I dont agree.

Gus gave Jones and DC the hardest fights of their careers. Cant be avg and do that. Reyes was a dangerous fighter who took too much damage in a relativley short amount of time against two guys who wore gold.

Gus gave Jones his toughest fight because he was the same size as Jon proving my point. Gus hasn’t accomplished nothing at all besides having a close fight with 2 champs, he turned out to be just an average LHW and Jones lost to him

 

[HHJ]

Gus gave Jones his toughest fight because he was the same size as Jon proving my point. Gus hasn’t accomplished nothing at all besides having a close fight with 2 champs, he turned out to be just an average LHW and Jones lost to him

Explain the DC fight then?

DC is an all time great,and he went life or death w Gus.

 

[Human Bass]

He was running away and turning his back lol only won because he kicked Rampage knee back a super dirty move

And Rampage was trying to punch Jones in the head, which can cause a concussion, even death. Mega dirty, dont ya think?

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

If being a contender for the title is average to you
Also, arguably means nothing. I can argue about anything, that doesn't mean I'm right. On the opposite side, Jones factually won those fights. There is no ifs about it, it's a fact.

Jones lost both those fights let’s be honest. He was gifted both decisions. Gus got a title shot off beating an old washed up shogun because even then the division was weak as shit

 

[Shilajit]

No it’s very correct. Jones arguably lost to every fighter his own size who were nothing but average. Even gatekeeper Bonnar at 6’4 was able to take a round off Jones.

When Jones doesn’t have the reach and size advantage he looks human and arguably loses each time

You can also count on two hands the amount of times Reyes landed cleanly on Jones. Almost everything he landed was a glancing blow, what he did looked good on the surface but in reality he could barely hit the guy clean.

Which is the case in almost every one of his fights, including against Gus.

As Jones has said in the past, he reached a point at LHW where every fight was another day at the office.

You could almost see it in the fight, the urgency and fire wasn't there. Compared to bouts where he had something to prove like DC or Gus 2.

His less than stellar fight against OSP wasn't because of his height, length or any technical proficiency he brought to the table. It was Jones.

If you look at the history of combat sports, this is a common theme. You're not going to have the same level of fire and motivation for every single fight, especially when you've been doing it for so long.

You need something to truly get up for.

I believe that's the issue with Jones more than anything. He needs a challenge, a name, something to prove in order to bring out his full potential as a fighter. When he had those elements, he shined.

 

[wildchild88]

Gane is always carefree. That is just the way he is. He only has one loss. Of course you have to be careful,but his personality is very calm in the fight game. That aint going to change. As far as training,he will be ready as he is always ready.

He said that his other training partners train 3x as much as he does and that fighting isn't the be all end all..

It has to be that if you're fighting the non natty GOAT and fighting for a title..

 

[Adamant__]

If being a contender for the title is average to you
Also, arguably means nothing. I can argue about anything, that doesn't mean I'm right. On the opposite side, Jones factually won those fights. There is no ifs about it, it's a fact.

Gus was good but Reyes was painfully average. LHW was so shit back in 2020 (still is shit btw) he got a title shot. Jon lost to that guy. 37 yr old Jan brutalized Reyes lmao Jiri and Spann took his soul

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

Explain the DC fight then?

DC is an all time great,and he went life or death w Gus.

DC struggled with Gus’s size too. DC is small so it’s not surprising he’s gonna struggle against a guy much taller and longer reach who is still fast.

 

[HHJ]

DC struggled with Gus’s size too. DC is small so it’s not surprising he’s gonna struggle against a guy much taller and longer reach who is still fast.

And a good fighter. Not average.

 

[Izzysexboyfriend]

You can also count on two hands the amount of times Reyes landed cleanly on Jones. Almost everything he landed was a glancing blow, what he did looked good on the surface but in reality he could barely hit the guy clean.

Which is the case in almost every one of his fights, including against Gus.

As Jones has said in the past, he reached a point at LHW where every fight was another day at the office.

You could almost see it in the fight, the urgency and fire wasn't there. Compared to bouts where he had something to prove like DC or Gus 2.

His less than stellar fight against OSP wasn't because of his height, length or any technical proficiency he brought to the table. It was Jones.

If you look at the history of combat sports, this is a common theme. You're not going to have the same level of fire and motivation for every single fight, especially when you've been doing it for so long.

You need something to truly get up for.

I believe that's the issue with Jones more than anything. He needs a challenge, a name, something to prove in order to bring out his full potential as a fighter. When he had those elements, he shined.

You’re right I forgot he looked like shit against a low level OSP because he was a big LHW as well. Just proves my point Jones is only dominant when fighting smaller guys. Once he fights guys his size he arguably loses or looks like shit.

Gus
Reyes
OSP

 

[Shilajit]

Jones lost both those fights let’s be honest. He was gifted both decisions. Gus got a title shot off beating an old washed up shogun because even then the division was weak as shit

A lot of people think Jones got hit way more than he actually did against Gus and Reyes.

In general, MMA and it's fans love awarding points to air or glancing blows. People see offense and ignore the full spectrum of nuance taking place.

That will change as the sport grows and there's a greater emphasis on accounting for defense and statistical accuracy comes closer to what we see in boxing.