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Television THE MANDALORIAN Season 2 (Gina Carano Fired Due to Her Social Media Posts)

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EvilDDS said:
Came across this post on IG

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Aegon Spengler said:
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Aegon Spengler said:
Aw, I’m sorry to hear you feel that way. I like his whole Moff Gideon shtick, his cape and so on. I don’t know about the chest piece. I feel like he’s been fine otherwise though; I’m not sure what you expect from him?
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I don’t really blame Giancarlo. First of all he’s banking a check, so god bless him, gotta make that cheddah. Second, TV is a writer’s medium; it’s rarely an actor’s fault when something isn’t working. Hell, he is still fantastic on Better Call Saul, so it’s not any lack of talent on his part. I blame the writers / showrunners. They gave him jack shit to work with, & he’s giving them what they want; which is basically ‘Hey, do that face you do when you’re Gus. Yeah! Give us more Gus face.’ A rare dud of an idea, in an otherwise great show.

I agree with you that Werner is a busy guy, but this is a huge show. They should have made it work, he was a much more interesting villain imo.
 
Why on EARTH do we need another Boba Fett spin off series?

Maybe one with what's her face with the white laser swords...but we don't need a second Bobba Fett.
 
djacobox372 said:
Agree, which is how Mando replaces the RC with the Slave 1
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As soon as the RC was destroyed, that's when it came to me that Boba's days may be numbered. Hopefully he'll just retire and go make cyborg babies with Fennec and give Slave 1 to Mando cuz he's cool like that.
 
Myrddin Wild said:
Awesome list Brother Drax...
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This got me interested in where exactly a Moff fits into the ranks & of coarse the obvious extension of that question which is what exactly are the ranks of upper level Imperial officials. So I geeked out on it a bit if anyone's interested. :D

It actually took a considerable bit of digging & I found several sources offering info that wasn't exactly accurate. Anyone please feel free to share anything that would be interesting to add... or point out something you feel I missed or didn't get right. I feel pretty solid here, but it's not as easy as you'd think to dig this all up.

The Tarkin Novel established 20 sectors spanning the entire reach of the empire... each with a Moff who was in charge of the imperial presence in that sector. All had acting say over their sector, but also answered to Sid's Imperial Ruling Council as well as the Grand Moff... (or if they pissed off Vader, they would be fooked. :eek:)

So regarding the "day to day political runnings of the Empire"... the following is the list of command in a general sense... (it's like the main center of command) but there were created positions by those in the top ranks that were in the mix as well.

A word about Vader & Sid's other personal groups:

Vader is no doubt 2nd in command & Sid even declared that Vader's words will be considered as if they were his own. That said... Vader isn't really involved in the politics. Sid also has his "Imperial Hands" & "Imperial Guard" & Inquisitors just under Vader, but they also didn't involve themselves politically.

I just bring this up to understand that even the number 2 politician... the "Grand Vizier" ...could not give them orders... but by contrast, if they told the Vizier he couldn't enter a room (or whatever) he sure as fook had to obey their orders. They were not however authorized to command the Vizier how to run his council though. So Sid's personal groups had "authority" over any political or military position, but not "power over them"... so to speak. I hope that makes sense. There's other example of people who were operating outside the system as well, but I'm just doing this preface to acknowledge those other people before I name the Vizier as the number 2 most powerful politician in the Empire.
  1. Sid -The undisputed final say on everything, but he delegated the day to day political workings of his empire.
  2. The Grand Vizier - was the head of the Imperial Ruling Council which means he's basically the number 2 politician in the empire after Sid
  3. Imperial Ruling Council - Sid's closest advisors that managed the daily affairs of the Empire. They had direct access to the Emperor. All Moffs, generals and admirals reported to them as well as the 12 Grand Admirals. They had authority over any military or political official.
  4. Grand Moff - Oversaw the Moffs & Could over-rule any of them
  5. Moff - Governor over one of the 20 sectors
  6. Sector Group -The Moff's central intelligence agency over their sector
  7. etc...
  • There seems to be unclear information as to where the "military's" Joint Chiefs, Supreme Commander, & the imperial High Command sat in this political hierarchy. Certainly below the Imperial Ruling Council, but you have to understand that IF the people above a Moff approves action in a sector... a Moff can take command of any military units at their whim.
  • You can imagine the contrast between a hardened wartime general & a Moff who "maybe" has war experience, but is mainly a politician. I'm not sure one way or the other if a Moff has true power over a high ranking military official in peace time & it doesn't seem to be written out clearly who has more authority. Lets say a Grand Admiral & a Moff meet on the street randomly in the Moff's jurisdiction... who's the higher ranking official? Sid likes it this way though so that it keeps his officials on their toes & needing guidance from above.
Regarding the Military ranks. They were split into 2 sections: "Army" & "Navy."
  1. Sid -Highest Authority, but delegates responsibility so he doesn't have to be involved with the day to day runnings of the military
  2. Vader (Same dynamic described above but just to note that Vader & the others I mentioned will be in charge of entire military groups at times)
  3. Joint Chiefs - Are leaders specifically selected to advise the Emperor on all martial-related matters that need his approval or attention. The cabinet was composed of the chiefs of the Imperial Army and Navy.
  4. Supreme Commander - Is the Head of the Army & the Navy. Reports directly to sid, but is advised & strangely considered a teir below the "collective" Joint Chiefs... & though he is superior to any one of the joint chiefs individually he can be over-ruled by the group.
  5. Imperial High Command - The heads of the Army & Navy but were less than the Joint chiefs... even though some of them actually were also Joint Chiefs.
  • Sound confusing? the Emperor promoted infighting and competitiveness among the senior officers, and shifted assignments and responsibilities frequently... but the Joint chiefs were the one's ultimately at the very top who could outvote the Supreme Commander, if sid were not offering a ruling over all of them. Sid liked that it was unclear so that any dispute would have to be solved by him & they all understood that Sid was ultimately the final answer to any bickering that was taking place. As such... this Chaotic system was a reminder to them of who was in charge. Brilliant.
  • There's a ton of ranks below them but these are the main commanding heads.
lol... imo, these 3 supposed "tiers" of command, are a game of closely "rated" rank for the elite who rise to the top & I think Sid wants to keep them from getting too cocky by offering them a replacement should they fook up. It's a test of dedication, character & tactics to see who fights the hardest with the most Sith approved methods.

These 3 teirs are all in that game "& frequently shuffled"... while still needing to complete their duties of handling their delegated daily responsibilities. In fact it's their success or failure in those tasks that decide whether they rise or fall up & down these ranks. The rewards of their success or the consequences of their failures are why Sid likes to pit them against each other to viciously compete to succeed in their mandates. They're inspired to achieve these elite ranks which are really mostly a political game sid has created to keep his elite commanders at the top of their game or die trying. So although these specific rankingz at the very top are a bit confusing... you can see the game our Sith is playing with them.
  • On one hand... this all sounds like a recipe for political uncertainty among the best & brightest that they could easily pick up on & decide to stop playing the game... but maybe that's the Sith way & that's why it's set up that way, to see who ducks out. The bloodthirsty fucks of the world get rewarded. The good folks were out long ago & would never achieve such ranks as we have seen with a number of people who leave the Empire such as Sabine & Finn etc..... I suppose someone could be good & just understand the game... but that would be a hard strategy to even develop when you think it's poor old Palpatine & not a mind reading Sith in your command.

So that was a fun study... here's a bit of conversation I thought was interesting as I studied these rankings
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Boiled down with some heavy EU history (so it might be out of date/now trashed by Disney):

"Civilian" Imperial Government

Governors rule Star Systems

Moffs rule sectors (a collection of star systems) so technically all the military in that sector answers to them the same way the US military answers to a civilian president.

Grand Moffs rule "Oversectors" (areas created without regard for existing sector boundaries) to better coordinate destroying the rebellion that would hop between sectors

Grand Moffs only answer to the Emperor or his closest advisors (Darth Vader)

Vader can do whatever the fuck he wants unless it pisses off Palps.
 
I guess maybe Mando felt professional courtesy and messed up leaving Ming Na Wen for dead assuming she was dead.

El Chimpo said:
The Rock is interested in joining Mando for season 3
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As what? Darth Bane? He's liable to try to steal the entire franchise for himself.
 
marioh said:
i'm getting the feeling that boba fett is dying in this series at some point, hope i'm wrong.
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Based on how Disney f'd up the sequels, you suspect they're gonna kill off one of the most popular Star Wars characters they just spectacularly brought back?
 
Mcountry said:
Why on EARTH do we need another Boba Fett spin off series?

Maybe one with what's her face with the white laser swords...but we don't need a second Bobba Fett.
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We need another Boba Fett spin off series just because... and because that will take a roster spot away from a shitty Cara Dune show. They could do a lot worse than a Boba Fett show.
 
marioh said:
As soon as the RC was destroyed, that's when it came to me that Boba's days may be numbered. Hopefully he'll just retire and go make cyborg babies with Fennec and give Slave 1 to Mando cuz he's cool like that.
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I saw an article that suggests Boba didn't take back his armor from lesser threat Cobb Vanth because he knew Cobb needed it to protect the townspeople. I guess after Mando helped kill the dragon and make peace with the town and the Tuskens, he could have it back.
 
I saw an article that said in the scene where Boba shows Mando the hologram ownership record of his armor, fans translated those characters and found it lists some Mandalorian mentor of Jango and said it sounds like the same set of facts laid out in some Jango novel where he fights in Mando Civil War.

I don't recall those weird characters shown in such high res SW nerds could read.

Also saw an article that suggested the blue butterflies when Grogu was sitting on the round stone has some connection to kid Ben Solo.
 
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