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Television THE MANDALORIAN Season 2 (Gina Carano Fired Due to Her Social Media Posts)

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Myrddin Wild said:
Yes, I'm not sure how clear I can be that I get it all, but this isn't all that made ani dark.

I don't see the problem with her specifically... but I do digress that I used to fell like I needed more screen time working this dynamic... before I realized it was all there.

Perhaps you're trying to be convinced due to some level of acting prowess that you require... but don't you at the very least just understand that the situation itself calls for the virgin who fell in love when he was 10 being infatuated with his mind's desire to extreme levels when he finally gets her? It's not that hard to own a virgin who becomes infatuated & has been infatuated for a decade before hooking up. No matter what she was, Ani was already hooked & had been jerking teh chain for a decade with her in his mind. This is an easy money shot bro.

Now the thing that people forget to add to these kinds of convoz is that the most talented Sith in all of history was fucking with his mind since he was 10. Those nightmares & everything were due to Sid as well as his entire development. Sid knew from the jump this was his boy & he's been fooiking with him the whole time. Ani didn't stand a chance in that environment. I feel that could be considered a weakness in the movies for not pushing that point home a bit more, but it's an obvious fact & so I assume they felt like that obvious fact didn't need more screen time so that's what we got.

That's more powerful than you're giving credit to because Ani was being manipulated for an entire decade... & that was so obvious that it didn't require extra screen time to explain. I feel like I overlooked that at first, but now that I see it, I feel like it's enough.

You have to understand that it isn't all just that though either. He's been questioning the jedi order. Why? Oh yeah, he's got the most talented Sith ever fooking with his head since he was 10. Sid's been swaying Ani against the Jedi his whole life in a long game that would stun your imagination. Look at the long game he did with the prequels. He was the leader of both fucking sides!!! Fook me the guyz a fooking genious... & he played Ani the same way since he was a kid in a long game that not only made him question the jedi order but pushed his infatuation with his childhood crush. This is Sith 101 shit here & Ani was being played from teh jump.

I'm sorry for the fan base who didn't get that spelled out for them, who can't put the pieces together, but it's really all there. I didn't see it at first, & I wished they would've explained it a bit more, but after a while, it all just clicked that Ani was fucked from the jump & it's all there.
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You make valid points and yes, Anakin was showing dark side risk outside of Padme. Killing the sand people as retribution for his mother. Disenfranchisement with Jedi rules. Killing Dooku at Palpatine's behest. And yes, Palps manipulating him and planting dreams and suggestions into his mind was a big factor. Maybe Anakin was fucked from the get go and destined for the dark side with or without Padme.

But Padme was the straw that pushed him over and the movie used her as the plot device for Anakin turning. I don't take issue with the conclusion that Anakin turned because as you say, maybe that was foregone. While the plot COULD work without Padme being a great fit, it shouldn't HAVE to. As is, the plot synopsis boils down to, "Once in human history athlete/space sorcerer prodigy flushes career down drain, kills former colleagues for hot chick with wooden personality." That reads like an Onion headline.

The plot also COULD have worked if instead of the extended and awesome Anakin vs. Obi Wan duel, we instead got Wile E Coyote dropping an anvil onto Anakin's head, knocking him into the lava before cutting to the Obi Wan "you were my brother" scene. But a big budget, blockbuster space opera production can do better.

As I've said, I think ROTS is an awesome movie as is and I rank it #2 after ESB. I'm not blaming Portman because maybe the blame belongs to the director or the writers, maybe Christiansen was making fart noises trying to make her laugh during her lines. I don't know. But IMO the movie would have been BETTER if Padme (played by Portman or otherwise) had shown better on-screen chemistry with Christiansen.
 
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ChickenBrother said:
You make valid points and yes, Anakin was showing dark side risk outside of Padme. Killing the sand people as retribution for his mother. Disenfranchisement with Jedi rules. Killing Dooku at Palpatine's behest. And yes, Palps manipulating him and planting dreams and suggestions into his mind was a big factor. Maybe Anakin was fucked from the get go and destined for the dark side with or without Padme.

But Padme was the straw that pushed him over and the movie used her as the plot device for Anakin turning. I don't take issue with the conclusion that Anakin turned, because as you state, maybe that was foregone. While the plot COULD work without Padme being a great fit, it shouldn't HAVE to. As is, the plot synopsis boils down to, "Once in human history athlete/space sorcerer prodigy flushes career down drain, kills former colleagues for hot chick with wooden personality." That reads like an Onion headline.

The plot also COULD have worked if instead of the extended and awesome Anakin vs. Obi Wan duel, we instead got Wile E Coyote dropping an anvil onto Anakin's head, knocking him into the lava before cutting to the Obi Wan "you were my brother" scene. But a big budget, blockbuster space opera production can do better.

As I've said, I think ROTS is an awesome movie as is and I rank it #2 after ESB. I'm not blaming Portman because maybe the blame belongs to the director or the writers, maybe Christianson was making fart noises trying to make her laugh during her lines. I don't know. But IMO the movie would have been BETTER if Padme (played by Portman or otherwise) had shown better on-screen chemistry with Christiansen.
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I mean, based on the respective careers, I think more of the blame for a lack of chemistry and wooden acting has to fall on Christiansen. Granted, the lines they had to work with weren’t exactly Oscar worthy.
 
D Train said:
I mean, based on the respective careers, I think more of the blame for a lack of chemistry and wooden acting has to fall on Christiansen. Granted, the lines they had to work with weren’t exactly Oscar worthy.
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True dat. Christiansen was pretty wooden but I give him a pass because he's supposed to be the frustrated prodigy. I don't know how to quantify or account for chemistry but what he lacked in chemistry with Portman, he made up in spades with Ewan. Every one of their scenes they were vibing off each other like irl bros.
 
ChickenBrother said:
True dat. Christiansen was pretty wooden but I give him a pass because he's supposed to be the frustrated prodigy. I don't know how to quantify or account for chemistry but what he lacked in chemistry with Portman, he made up in spades with Ewan. Every one of their scenes they were vibing off each other like irl bros.
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Ewan legit brought The Feels when he finally lost it,

Obi-Wan, "You were the Chosen One! It was said you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!"

Anakin, "I HATE YOU!"

Obi-Wan, "You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you..."
 
KnightTemplar said:
Ewan legit brought The Feels when he finally lost it,

Obi-Wan, "You were the Chosen One! It was said you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness!"

Anakin, "I HATE YOU!"

Obi-Wan, "You were my brother, Anakin. I loved you..."
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Exactly! Some will disagree but while he certainly looked the part, IMO Christiansen was OK but not great. What made him believable and the movie great was Ewan selling every one of his lines like a boss. Exiting the Council chambers, Anakin is miffed at not being made a master and Obi Wan gives him the classiest big bro talk ever:



Then after confronting him on Mustafar, the difference between Ewan and Natalie's ability to sell Hayden's Anakin is extreme.

Padme: "I don't know you anymore. You're breaking my heart." It comes off like Anakin attempted a brainbuster and Padme just stood there and refused to sell it.



Contrasted with Ewan's selling:



And of course the finale with the "you were my brother" dialogue:



Ewan's selling makes Anakin's turn come off like a legit tragedy. Betraying Padme is not cool but the real tragedy of Anakin's storyline is that he betrayed and turned on the guy who was the best damn mentor/big bro figure in the SW universe.
 
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ChickenBrother said:
Exactly! Some will disagree but while he certainly looked the part, IMO Christiansen was OK but not great. What made him believable and the movie great was Ewan selling every one of his lines like a boss. Exiting the Council chambers, Anakin is miffed at not being made a master and Obi Wan gives him the best big bro talk ever:



Then after confronting him on Mustafar, the difference between Ewan and Natalie's ability to sell Hayden's Anakin is extreme.

Padme: "I don't know you anymore. You're breaking my heart." It comes off like Anakin attempted a brainbuster and Padme just stood there and refused to sell it.



Contrasted with Ewan's selling:



And of course the finale with the "you were my brother" dialogue:



Ewan's selling makes Anakin's turn come off like a legit tragedy. Betraying Padme is not cool but the real tragedy of Anakin's storyline is that he betrayed and turned on the guy who was the best damn mentor/big bro figure in the entire SW universe.
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Obi-Wan with the High Ground>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Batman with Prep Time:)
 
D Train said:
Yeah, I think I would have in the context of the Star Wars universe. The Jedi have been around thousands of years and there were other Force users as well, many groups, in fact. Force ability was rare, but it certainly wasn’t unheard of. Even untrained folks could use it to some degree (Broom Boy, young Anakin, etc.). And as someone pointed out earlier, their tales would have grown larger over time, not smaller.
It seems similar to the Mandalorians. That’s a relatively small group of people and folks have heard of them and their deeds (and even what they look like) across the universe.
You can correct me if I’m wrong here, but I think the Jedi had many roles and for those who were not chose as a padawan, they could even be sent to planets to help crops grow as to heal people. People knew about that.
Like I said, I don’t see this as a plot hole, it’s just a critique of what seems to be flaw in the story telling. On a scale of Han Solo to Jar Jar Binks it only bothers me a Wicket. It’s not a make it or break deal to me.
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I hear what you're saying, & your points are valid. It is a fact that a lot of people do know about them, have seen their powers & believe in their powers. However, If you read the novels much, you hear a lot of talk spread around here & there about how a lot of people don't believe it. So that's the way it is. That's Canon. They certainly don't know Sid is a Sith.

This jerk off in the that hater video embarrassed himself by insisting that every single person knew about the Jedi & believed in their powers after they were wiped off the scene 28 - 51 years ago. He points it out as a plot hole that now 28 years later after Sid suppressed their memory that Din hasn't heard of them. He embarrasses himself even further 51 years later about why Rey from Jakku didn't believe the stories. These things are completely valid. The guy is a click bait idiot spreading untruths so that haters will tune in.

The Din one is harder to understand since Death Watch actually worked for Maul for a while & the dark saber itself was constructed by a Mandalorian Jedi... so the elders in Din's clan 100% knew about the Jedi. The question is... did they tell the younglings about that stuff? the answer is obviously no. So that ass hat from the video cackling like a hyena & braying like a jack ass about why Din never even heard of the Jedi is simply not thinking, & he also doesn't know that there are a lot of people in the universe who don't believe the Jedi have powers & so it's very reasonable to see how after a generation or 2 has gone by, that their memory faded from people's minds. It's easy to see how people just forgot about this "police squad" from 30 - 50 years ago. Not everyone forgot... but it's its not a plot hole concerning those who did forget or never even heard of them.

Regarding your comment about how people knew about Mandalorians. They're positioned in a major hyperspace pathway, (which is one of several reasons why the Empire keeps trying to take their planet) & I'm not going to look this up, but memory serves that they were in control of around a thousand planets at some point that they had aquired leadership over 1,000 years ago or so. It's debatable whether or not the Jedi had a further reaching audience than the mandos. Both were very well known. Likely the Jedi, but I'm just pointing out that the Mando's didn't just sit around on their planet. They were very active in the universe. Maybe more so than the Jedi.

I'll also point out that when the Mando's were expanding their territory & ran into the Jedi territory... (whenever that unknown date happened...) they had never even heard of them or their powers. The Jedi caught them by surprise in this way... so this further brings home the point that every single person in the galaxy does not know or believe in the Jedi.

For sure the Jedi (Jedaii) have been around for thousands of years... 36,453 BBY to be exact (according to Legends) & force groups such as Order of Dai Bendu, the Followers of Palawa, and the Chatos Academy were force religions prior to the Jedaii, but these things are much more known to us... the viewing audience... than they were to the citizens in that universe. We don't know exactly at what point the Mando's ran into the Jedi for the first time, but I'm going to guess it's somewhere around 4k BBY (according to legends)... (definitely prior to 1032 BBY) & so the jedi were around for at least 32k years before the Mando's even heard of them from their territory in the outer rim.
 
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I just started The Clone Wars series based upon the recommendation of folks in this thread. It's surprisingly good. I say surprisingly because I suppose I judged it based upon the fact it's animated. There's a shitload of eps to watch, and I suppose I'll watch Rebels next. Thanks for all the info-
 
Goon Dog said:
I just started The Clone Wars series based upon the recommendation of folks in this thread. It's surprisingly good. I say surprisingly because I suppose I judged it based upon the fact it's animated. There's a shitload of eps to watch, and I suppose I'll watch Rebels next. Thanks for all the info-
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watch it in chronological order bro, not as it is listed on disney+
 
Goon Dog said:
WTF? Why is the order all screwed up? Flashbacks?
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The program evolved as they came up with story ideas. I watched it in the order it was presented... & it's fine, but you'll notice some time variations that aren't that hard to keep up with. If I ever binge it again, I'll probably do the chronological order.

I made a list of Mandalorian focused episodes a couple pages back in this thread if you're interested in cherry picking those to catch up with the Mando series... otherwise, just follow your cheat sheet there.
 
Myrddin Wild said:
Anyone need to brush up on their Mandalorian Lore?
I made this prior to Season 7 of Clone wars... but updated it for the new Mando series.

Mandolorian backstories from the Clone Wars​
  • Season 2 eps 12 - 14 (Mandalor under a passive leader, & how the people are split, & Death Watch has been plotting to overthrow)
  • Season 3 eps 5 & 6 (not really necessary to watch, but shows the political unrest happening in Mandalore.)
  • Season 4 eps 14 (Intro to Bo-Katan)
  • Season 4 eps 21 – 22 (Not necessary to watch, but it explains Maul’s story & Maul is a big part of the story of Mandalore.) (Maul’s brother found him over a decade after he got cut in half by Obi-Wan. Maul was healed by his witch mother & goes after ObiWan.)
  • Season 5 eps 14 - 16 (Maul's alliance to Death Watch)
  • Season 7 eps 9 – 12 The siege of Mandalore (19BBY at the beginning of the Empire… 28 years prior to the Mandalorian series)
Mandolorian backstories of the Rebels series​
These Rebels series episodes takes place around 11 or 12 years prior to the Mandalorian series & a few years before A New Hope. It follows a ship called the Ghost that hasn’t joined the Rebels yet, but is doing the same work fighting the empire. You’ll need to know a little bit about a few of the Ghost crew members to follow along.

Kanan is a Jedi that survived order 66
Ezra is a kid who just found out he’s force sensitive & Kanan is training him.
Sabine Wren – Her mom is the head of the Mandalorian Clan Wren. She worked for the empire for a while before going full rebel & joining the Ghost crew. She unwittingly invented a machine that melts the beskar right off of Mandalorians but then she destroyed it & took the technology, but there’s still some hard feelings from her people about that.

Mandalore is currently under the control of the Empire… though they allow the clans to stay in rule as long as they follow the orders of the Empire.
  • Season 3, eps 10 (Dark Saber)
  • Season 3, eps 15 and 16 (Dark Saber & Mandalorian clans)
  • Season 4, eps 1 and 2 (Heroes of Mandalore)
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Great list. Thank you.
 
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