The Kochs freeze out Trump

[ultramanhyata]

In that hypothetical Susan has done nothing but delegate every financial decision to someone else, so she might be wiser, but it would be a misnomer to call her a businesswoman in any functional sense of the word, so yeah, Bill would win by default.

Maybe that's the distinction. To me, being a good businessman means being good at growing wealth. The two are indistinguishable. You can't separate the ability to profit financially out from being successful in business. The way you could, for example, if you were talking about who was the best hockey player or something.

In a less hypothetical sense I have yet to see someone demonstrate how performing above this market average is so commonplace among the world's top businessmen. As I demonstrated in the other thread it is clearly an exception achieved by a minority even among the world's wealthiest people over the long term.

Wait... I thought you acknowledged at the beginning that Trump did not outperform the S&P index. I thought your counterargument involved saying that, because a lot of other people on the Forbes list also failed to do so, that made Trump successful on the curve. Are you now disputing the financial press's claims and calculations?

I also haven't seen you meaningfully address the four clean-slate "do overs" Trump got throughout his career in the way of corporate bankruptcy forgiveness. If Trump had actually had to take financial responsibility for his repeated ineptitude and pay off all his creditors over the decades, out of his own pocket, how much do you think he would be worth today?

 

[Madmick]

Maybe that's the distinction. To me, being a good businessman means being good at growing wealth. The two are indistinguishable. You can't separate the ability to profit financially out from being successful in business. The way you could, for example, if you were talking about who was the best hockey player or something.

That's like saying that because the lawyers I hired had never lost a case for me that I was a great legal mind.

They are distinguishable. One is doing; one is delegating (and don't get confused by the truth that the former subsumes the latter).

 

[Anung Un Rama]

lol I've enjoyed both of these threads immensely.

 

[Makani]

lol I've enjoyed both of these threads immensely.

I know, I've tried my best to leave the arguing to other people, and they've obliged. I have to hand it to Trump, he gets people talking. Often out of their asses, but hey, what else is new?

 

[Anung Un Rama]

I know, I've tried my best to leave the arguing to other people, and they've obliged. I have to hand it to Trump, he gets people talking. Often out of their asses, but hey, what else is new?

It's nice to be in the bleachers now and then

 

[RetiredWisFighter]

Well if anything this would be a reason to consider Trump.

Another reason is, if we're going down might as well just go down guns a blazing

 

[Strychnine]

So, are we saying at this point that a person simply cannot become the republican candidate for president without the personal backing of two private citizens, Charles and David Koch?

It's really that naked and stark? And the GOP is fine with it?

War Bernie!

 

[Irenaeus]

I don't doubt it. Just more evidence of his hyperbole and exaggerations. $4.1 billion isn't bad, though.

Then again, this Bloomberg report says he's only worth 2-3 billion


http://www.businessinsider.com/bloomberg-donald-trump-wealth-net-worth-2015-7

If the 2.9 figure is correct, he's significantly underperformed when compared to the market since 1982, hasn't he? It's nearly 30% below the CAGR of the stock market.

I'd assume the Bloomberg report would be more likely to be correct, seeing that it's based on the financial report disclosed after the Forbes article was published, but I'm nor really qualified to assess it beyond that in any meaingful way.

 

[Adamant]

So, are we saying at this point that a person simply cannot become the republican candidate for president without the personal backing of two private citizens, Charles and David Koch?

It's really that naked and stark? And the GOP is fine with it?

Not all GOP candidates are using lobbyists or special interest money.

But at the very least, if you're compelled to vote democrat icon_neut) vote for Sanders over Hillary.

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[spin]

Not all GOP candidates are using lobbyists or special interest money.

But at the very least, if you're compelled to vote democrat icon_neut) vote for Sanders over Hillary.

And if you're gonna vote republican icon_neut) vote for...........



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[spin]

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[NaziHunta]

Koch's want to get one of their puppets in.
Trump won't play ball.

 

[Vhagar]

I actually like Trump.

I don't think he should be President, he's a goof and not qualified, but I hate the rest of them even more.

I love that he's not as afraid to offend people, and actually seems to have some balls.

Having said that it does not matter one little bit who you Americans elect. The president will do as he/she is told, just like the rest of them.

 

[Adamant]

And if you're gonna vote republican icon_neut) vote for...........



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That's some brilliant posting.

Not all GOP candidates are using lobbyists or special interest money.

But at the very least, if you're compelled to vote democrat icon_neut) vote for Sanders over Hillary.

[YT]9IOpbj8ajZs[/YT]

I can't fathom how anyone would willing vote for Hillary.

 

[Adamant]

I actually like Trump.

I don't think he should be President, he's a goof and not qualified, but I hate the rest of them even more.

I love that he's not as afraid to offend people, and actually seems to have some balls.

Having said that it does not matter one little bit who you Americans elect. The president will do as he/she is told, just like the rest of them.

I don't think anyone is going to control either Trump or Sanders if they got in.

 

[Vhagar]

Don't most president's that don't listen get murdered in public?

 

[K1levelgrappler]

I can't fathom how anyone would willing vote for Hillary.

I can't either until I think for a second and realize who she'll be running against.

 

[JDragon]

I can't either until I think for a second and realize who she'll be running against.

Hillary will win the Democratic nomination.

After that, voting for Hillary is the logical option considering the GOP candidates eliminate themselves by being complete and total nutcases (or having the last name Bush).

I doubt Hillary has a lot of real fans.

 

[Pupi]

Pretty sure their backing Walker.

They're pretty much backing everyone in the GOP lol.

So, are we saying at this point that a person simply cannot become the republican candidate for president without the personal backing of two private citizens, Charles and David Koch?

It's really that naked and stark? And the GOP is fine with it?

100k people meeting in 3500 cities across the nation. All organized events done by local support. History is being made. FEEL THE BERN!

 

[RedRackham]

One point to consider in all this is that a lot of people do like the kochs.

A lot of liberals do not obviously, but undecided and even conservatives voters as well.

If I was an American, and I saw this, Id be more likely to vote for Trump! :icon_lol:

Trump really is coming out from all the bad press he and others make.