The kickfighting establishment is rotten to the core

[Yodsanan]

No. To fight in the stadiums against credible fighters someone first has to show they're legitimate in May Thai.

Kickboxing is different in that it claims to represent all striking disciplines. What's the most influential striking discipline within kickboxing? Which country has more "kick fighting" talent than the rest of the world combined? Which country is not proportionally represented in kickboxing?

I can actually somewhat agree with that. but then again:

So if someone wants to see more thais in kickboxing they get bashed for it...

And if they don't, they also get bashed for it.

uh...

what is it?

 

[Cocakillbana]

Imagine the outcry in the BJJ world if ADCC limited the number of Brazilian participants to just 1 or 2 per division and the event was still regarded as the pinnacle of submission grappling. There's a reason Brazilians are represented well and it's because they are the best submission grapplers in the world. Muay Thai is the exact same in the "kick fighting" world, but where are they in abundance on the "world stage?"

 

[Yodsanan]

Imagine the outcry in the BJJ world if ADCC limited the number of Brazilian participants to just 1 or 2 per division. There's a reason Brazilians are represented well and it's because they are the best submission grapplers in the world. Muay Thai is the exact same in the "kick fighting" world.

you've cried about people trying to talk thais into kickboxing and how disrespectful it is towards muay thai and now you're jumping on the jtwarwagon-train. you even said you hate the term kick fighting, but now you keep using it because it fits your argument.

 

[Cocakillbana]

you've cried about people trying to talk thais into kickboxing and how disrespectful it is towards muay thai and now you're jumping on the jtwarwagon-train. you even said you hate the term kick fighting, but now you keep using it because it fits your argument.

Name one striking discipline that is close to Muay Thai in the kick fighting world? Again, there's more talent in Thailand alone than the rest of the world put together.

BJJ is to sub grappling what Muay Thai is to kick fighting, but for the representation. This is obvious.

 

[Snubnoze707]

What Thai's are approaching Glory for a contract and being sent away? Let's see some details and facts...

If any thing you guys should be praising Glory for taking in Thais with bland personalities like Sittichai and Petchponumrung (try saying that name talking to a coworker about the fights you saw).

Sick post fight interview by Pet after his tournament win!

 

[Kanka]

Name one striking discipline that is close to Muay Thai in the kick fighting world? Again, there's more talent in Thailand alone than the rest of the world put together.

BJJ is to sub grappling what Muay Thai is to kick fighting, but for the representation. This is obvious.

There is more talent... but they all compete in weight classes that barely exist in kickboxing.

 

[Yodsanan]

Ok, to be honest I agree with most what jtwarwagon said in his first post.

Does that make kickboxing less credible as a sport? It kinda does. Do I think putting 20 thais into featherweight right now that don't speak english and have a bland personality, will do anything for the growth of kickboxing worldwide? No, I don't think so.


It probably wouldn't even that be that bad for Glory since thais would only dominate featherweight, but it would be the death for organisations like K1-Japan.

Glorys featherweight division is lacking integrity anyway without any japanese fighters, you don't even need thais for that.

 

[Kanka]

What Thai's are approaching Glory for a contract and being sent away? Let's see some details and facts...

If any thing you guys should be praising Glory for taking in Thais with bland personalities like Sittichai and Petchponumrung (try saying that name talking to a coworker about the fights you saw).

Sick post fight interview by Pet after his tournament win!

You go a link to the interview?

Sittichai has a bland personality in the ring but Petpanomrung doesn't hold back. Best addition to kickboxing since Buakaw imo

 

[Yodsanan]

The interviewer at the post fight presser asked Sittichai 2 times if he wants to fight anyone special and he just mumbled he will fight everyone.

 

[Cocakillbana]

How does the kickboxing world view a hypothetical kickboxing tournament that is made up of Ritthewada, Yodpanomrung, Petmorakot, Kongsak, Rambo, Manasak, Sensatarn and Chamuekthong? Zero fucks?

Seriously, if a wealthy Thai promoter started making kickboxing fights with the best Thais, how would that go over in your world? They would NEVER be regarded like RVR or Kaew and the tournament wouldn't get any attention unless some of those fighters were replaced by a European and Japanese fighter. You know damn well this is how it works.

Why though? Most here will acknowledge the fact I keep reiterating in that Thailand has more talent than the rest of the world, so why the mental block of Thais fighting each other unless it's in an event with other countries involved? The only reason I can see is that you guys have to be "hyped" by phony drama and all the junk. Buncha marks.

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

Stop with your logic this is sherdog.

Boynazarov got paid like $300 to fight on the Dynamite card, they shoulda spent thousands just to fly in a legit Thai instead. First spend time to sift through the sport to see who would be worthy, deal with language issues, medicals...Coker Spike Viacom clearly just out to keep muay thai down.

Doesn't Boynazarov train and fight out of Thailand? Why is it so much easier to bring him in and not a Thai? If they can sift through the sport to find a random forang loser like him, then why can't they do the same to find a legitimate fighter.

 

[Kanka]

How does the kickboxing world view a hypothetical kickboxing tournament that is made up of Ritthewada, Yodpanomrung, Petmorakot, Kongsak, Rambo, Manasak, Sensatarn and Chamuekthong? Zero fucks?

Seriously, if a wealthy Thai promoter started making kickboxing fights with the best Thais, how would that go over in your world? They would NEVER be regarded like RVR or Kaew and the tournament wouldn't get any attention unless some of those fighters were replaced by a European and Japanese fighter. You know damn well this is how it works.

Why though? Most here will acknowledge the fact I keep reiterating in that Thailand has more talent than the rest of the world, so why the mental block of Thais fighting each other unless it's in an event with other countries involved. It makes no sense.

Isn't the idea of "K-1 style kickboxing" to see different styles fight each others?

I would watch a kickboxing tournament with the guys you mentioned for sure but i think i remember you giving Jay alot of shit for wanting to see thais fighting each others in kickboxing? Looks like you can't understand your own logic from just a couple of months ago

To me it would be interesting to see how the thais that train with boxing coaches or in gyms that are experienced in kickboxing (sitsongpeenong, fairtex, banchamek, weerasakrek) against the ones that stay at gyms that train top stadium fighters.

 

[Cocakillbana]

The interviewer at the post fight presser asked Sittichai 2 times if he wants to fight anyone special and he just mumbled he will fight everyone.

Straight to the point honesty is bad in your world and being conned is a good thing. What's wrong with you guys? How did it feel to be fucked in the ass by the lies of Kongolo and Doumbe? And you'll be there next time to take it again.

hype > staredowns > fighting ability

Too many accept this

 

[Snubnoze707]

Selling tickets > Being fair

 

[Yodsanan]

Straight to the point honesty is bad in your world and being conned is a good thing. What's wrong with you guys? How did it feel to be fucked in the ass by the lies of Kongolo and Doumbe? And you'll be there next time to take it again.

staredowns > fighting ability

It's not bad in my world, it's bad in the world of mainstream viewers, if the champion is talking like a walking vegetable when he should be calling out Petrosyan for the sake of the sport.

 

[Shadess]

Doesn't Boynazarov train and fight out of Thailand? Why is it so much easier to bring him in and not a Thai? If they can sift through the sport to find a random forang loser like him, then why can't they do the same to find a legitimate fighter.

hahaha no idea. Just brought him up for the money anyway, not as an example of who should be brought in If he's willing to fight for that kind of money out of Thailand that's quite something.

 

[Shadess]

It's not bad in my world, it's bad in the world of mainstream viewers, if the champion is talking like a walking vegetable when he should be calling out Petrosyan for the sake of the sport.

To be fair he's mentioned Petro a few times and nothing has happened and to keep mentioning someone who probably isn't that likely to fight on Glory anytime soon is kinda pointless too.

+Petro is ranked #11 and couldn't fight for a title from such terribad position. Glory champs don't fight non-title fights either! Other than Rico-Badr but exluding that thems the rules!

 

[jtwarwagon4life]

hahaha no idea. Just brought him up for the money anyway, not as an example of who should be brought in If he's willing to fight for that kind of money out of Thailand that's quite something.

So does that mean that you don't actually have any evidence to suggest that bringing in Thais is more of financial and logistical headache than it's a worth? The vast majority of the guys who fight on Glory cards are being flown in and don't speak English and will have to do medicals, etc. They aren't any different from Thais. And talent scouting is part of the job being a major combat sports entity.

Glory seems to have no problem signing a million boring and lousy fighters from the Netherlands who don't move the needle. Why is this justifiable but bringing in a few more thais not?

Most fighters in Thailand are fighting for peanuts. So, I'd imagine it would probably be much cheaper to sign a stadium thai than some random guy who'd been competing in Kunlun.

 

[Yodsanan]

To be fair he's mentioned Petro a few times and nothing has happened and to keep mentioning someone who probably isn't that likely to fight on Glory anytime soon is kinda pointless too.

fair enough. I've seen interviews where he was calling out Petrosyan.

But still, he could have made a strong statement when he gave the most boring possible answer.

 

[Cocakillbana]

Isn't the idea of "K-1 style kickboxing" to see different styles fight each others?

I would watch a kickboxing tournament with the guys you mentioned for sure but i think i remember you giving Jay alot of shit for wanting to see thais fighting each others in kickboxing? Looks like you can't understand your own logic from just a couple of months ago

To me it would be interesting to see how the thais that train with boxing coaches or in gyms that are experienced in kickboxing (sitsongpeenong, fairtex, banchamek, weerasakrek) against the ones that stay at gyms that train top stadium fighters.

I'm asking why YOU (the kickboxing collective) wouldn't care if 8 fighters from Thailand did kickboxing with no international participants. I only care about this because it's only obvious Thais are not treated well or represented in kick fighting except for Thailand. I don't need to see Thais kickbox for me to know they're real or deserving or praise, that's for you guys (kickboxing world).

Do you disagree that it would only get attention if some of those fighters were replaced by fighters not from Thailand?

By the way, all arguments are worthless if you accept that Thailand has more kick fighting talent than the rest of the world. I tend to think most of you believe this, so, at this point, you're arguing just argue.