The Jordan Peterson Thread - V2 -

[method115]

Yeah, and while she was twisting his words a lot, she at least was giving JP time to talk and espouse his points even if she frequently misrepresented them, JP seemed to always have the genuine chance to say "That's NOT what I'm saying" which he did, although I agree that unfortunately it had to be ad nauseum. I think that's the blessing of it being an hour long interview versus Bill O'Reilly style of interviews where he just yells over someone with short simplistic canned lines for a few minutes.

Yea while I you could see she was clearly trying to twist his words and stuff at least it was a properly done interview she gets her time he got his time no one was trying to talk over each other.

 

[USA!USA!]

Peterson is great. Can't say I've followed him for long, but I do appreciate folks who bring logic and research to the debate instead of just feelings and outrage.

 

[unimackpass]

Sorry. Meant to say "All stuff"

But in some of his videos, I often find some of his terminology misleading. Living a life based on misery and just trying to make it "less miserable" , some of his views on white privilege, etc

Actually he talks about finding "meaning in suffering" to make things less miserable which empowers people to deal with life as it is and makes it richer.
This goes into a lot of sports psychology about pushing through pain. Studies show that bike racers actually perform better if they think of the goal their shooting for rather than just trying to deny the pain their body is in.
In the same way your body chemistry changes when your life is integrated with purpose and meaning which in turn results giving greater stability through difficult times. Without that sense of purpose people are more prone to various addictions like drugs (look at the pharmaceutical industry and its aftermath), alcohol or other such crutches to deal with life. Escape through artificially induced altered states or the courage to embrace reality.
Like he says he has spent countless hours as a clinical psychologist talking with people on all levels of life and what their going through. A major part of that is the study of how the human brain reacts to difficult challenges in life.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Why would that make you a NeoMarxist? NeoMarxists are more concerned with inciting their cultural revolution based on gender, race, and sexual proclivity, and the conflict they can create along those lines. They by no means have a monopoly on all things related to their tribal groupings though.

I think it's safe to say there are always multiple factors involved in such things. The world is changing at a rapid pace. Far faster than it has changed before.

Either way I think Peterson's explanation is a bit shallow. I don't think its the lack of encouragement of men and boys that's the problem but something deeper about the nature of our social system that has alienated them. But I am glad he's talking about it at all, its not something that is often talked about in a general sense outside specific contexts like inner city gangs or the appeal of radical Islam or something like that. If you address the wider problem I also think you tackle those specific ones as well.

 

[Gunny]

Interesting. Peterson looked tired in that video. I think he realizes that he's in the Obama-zone now in that there's a LOT of people just dying for him to do something, j no matter how innocent and minor the indiscretion, so that they can discredit him for any reason.

Agreed and I noticed that too. That's gotta be exhausting. He knows how much is riding on him and he knows they're watching and waiting at every turn to bring his whole house down. Better man than I.

Could be all that. Or it could just be his first international book tour.

 

[IDL]

Either way I think Peterson's explanation is a bit shallow. I don't think its the lack of encouragement of men and boys that's the problem but something deeper about the nature of our social system that has alienated them. But I am glad he's talking about it at all, its not something that is often talked about in a general sense outside specific contexts like inner city gangs or the appeal of radical Islam or something like that. If you address the wider problem I also think you tackle those specific ones as well.

Well sure, it was shallow in the sense that it was far from complete. I'm sure Peterson could talk for an hour on the subject and would agree that it's a complex topic.

Maybe he will do a talk on it some day to flesh things out some more.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well sure, it was shallow in the sense that it was far from complete. I'm sure Peterson could talk for an hour on the subject and would agree that it's a complex topic.

Maybe he will do a talk on it some day to flesh things out some more.

I mean shallow as in probably wrong and only a surface level analysis. If I had to boil it down to one thing it would most certainly not be radical feminists being mean or whatever. I hope he does get around to talk about it at length though.

 

[IDL]

I mean shallow as in probably wrong and only a surface level analysis. If I had to boil it down to one thing it would most certainly not be radical feminists being mean or whatever. I hope he does get around to talk about it at length though.

Of course, that would be ridiculous the way you put it. I'm not sure we watched the same video but I don't think Peterson thinks that.

 

[21 Savage]

GOAT IS BLESSING US WITH AN APPEARANCE ON JRE RN LADS

in for paradigm shifting knowledge

 

[21 Savage]

GOAT IS BLESSING US WITH AN APPEARANCE ON JRE RN LADS

in for paradigm shifting knowledge

cleaning my room rn listening to this

 

[J_C]

Doc seems wired and tired...he seems stressed

has already done so much. message is out there. hes won. time to kick back a bit and relax a bit IMO

 

[Bullitt68]

GOAT IS BLESSING US WITH AN APPEARANCE ON JRE RN LADS

in for paradigm shifting knowledge

Funny enough, I watched this last night, included in which is their discussion of differences (particularly in interests) between men and women, and then today I had to explain to one of my fellow teaching assistants at my university (a) that the comment that the professor made during the lecture about how his wife seems to know more colors than he does because she reads fashion magazines and he doesn't wasn't sexist and (b) that my explanation wasn't itself sexist "mansplaining."

I hope that paradigm shift speeds the fuck up

That was a really cool episode, though. I think Peterson needed the "reset" that he seemed to get by being able to just chill with Joe, to be able to be loose and friendly and just shoot the shit. By the end, he was smiling and laughing and even getting Joe laughing. IIRC he's got a joint appearance with Ben Shapiro scheduled with Dave Rubin sometime soon, but hopefully, echoing some of your guys' comments in here, he's coming up on the end here so that he can let himself kick back and put his fucking feet up for a little while. He's more than earned it with this crazy international book tour.

 

[21 Savage]

Dave Rubin

oh no

 

[Bullitt68]

oh no

 

[21 Savage]

ideological prostitute : (

 

[Islam Imamate]

Dave "Jesus loved Muslims "Rubin is plain awful, just fellates his right wing guests while disingenuously claiming to be a liberal. JRE is supposed to be more of a casual conversation and yet even Joe will grill his guests harder than Dave "MLK would be a conservative" Rubin.

 

[Bullitt68]

ideological prostitute : (

Dave "Jesus loved Muslims "Rubin is plain awful, just fellates his right wing guests while disingenuously claiming to be a liberal. JRE is supposed to be more of a casual conversation and yet even Joe will grill his guests harder than Dave "MLK would be a conservative" Rubin.

To be fair to him, though, his show follows WAY more closely than JRE the old-school talk show format. In that respect, I'm not watching his show to see him grill his guests. I'm watching his show to see him get his guests talking. And he's very good at that.

Personally, while I don't mind Rubin (I actually find him to be a fine host), I don't watch his show for him. If I don't know or care about the guest, I don't watch. He simply doesn't factor in for me when it comes to watching his show.

 

[Bullitt68]

Speak of the devil(s):



Apparently this is set for later today. Perfect timing

 

[Loiosh]

This was hilarious, it had me in tears.

(warning, some of the editing is pretty annnoying)

 

[Prefect]

I don't think there would be a Peterson thread if he didn't rail against PC culture. I don't think that in itself makes anything he has to say mindblowing or anything.