The Jordan Peterson Thread - V2 -

[Unknown Pleasures]

Haha she certainly did, but totally by accident. That certainly was not her intent.

Yeah, and while she was twisting his words a lot, she at least was giving JP time to talk and espouse his points even if she frequently misrepresented them, JP seemed to always have the genuine chance to say "That's NOT what I'm saying" which he did, although I agree that unfortunately it had to be ad nauseum. I think that's the blessing of it being an hour long interview versus Bill O'Reilly style of interviews where he just yells over someone with short simplistic canned lines for a few minutes.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Wow never seen him get that emotional before.

Peterson gets emotional all of the time. Try looking for a video where he talks about Pinocchio. There should be a few on YouTube. He always cries when he talks about that story.

Here is one where he chokes up:

 

[Islam Imamate]

'Fraternal organizations' are something Feminists (and the ideology behind it) work to dismantle because it breeds 'toxic masculinity'. The NeoMarxist underpinning does in large part aim to deconstruct society and men (especially of the majority demographic) are standing in the way of that.

Now obviously only the radical left adopts that sort of perspective, but they are just a symptom of a much wider ideological push that is society wide, as they are churned out of the education systems like ideological soldiers.

So the general messages to young men that come from the society they are immersed in are changing and some of those messages are that they are a problem, and that is ideologically driven. Sort of like a slow conversion of a society to a new religion, or like how Marxism-Leninism was the prevailing ideology in the soviet union. The ideology that is creeping in undoubtedly will have a negative effect on those who it aims to deconstruct.

And of course there are many factors and that is just one. I generally agree with what you are saying.

There might truth to the idea that feminism is partly to blame for the decline of positive male spaces but I think its something deeper than that. I think there's something about capitalist modernity that has marginalized male spaces unintentionally but maybe that makes me a Neo-Marxist or whatever.

 

[IDL]

There might truth to the idea that feminism is partly to blame for the decline of positive male spaces but I think its something deeper than that. I think there's something about capitalist modernity that has marginalized male spaces unintentionally but maybe that makes me a Neo-Marxist or whatever.

Why would that make you a NeoMarxist? NeoMarxists are more concerned with inciting their cultural revolution based on gender, race, and sexual proclivity, and the conflict they can create along those lines. They by no means have a monopoly on all things related to their tribal groupings though.

I think it's safe to say there are always multiple factors involved in such things. The world is changing at a rapid pace. Far faster than it has changed before.

 

[sangreporsangre]

Yeah, and while she was twisting his words a lot, she at least was giving JP time to talk and espouse his points even if she frequently misrepresented them, JP seemed to always have the genuine chance to say "That's NOT what I'm saying" which he did, although I agree that unfortunately it had to be ad nauseum. I think that's the blessing of it being an hour long interview versus Bill O'Reilly style of interviews where he just yells over someone with short simplistic canned lines for a few minutes.

Not to mention, the channel deserves credit for airing it unedited.

 

[IDL]

Not to mention, the channel deserves credit for airing it unedited.

Apparently it is in their top 5 most popular videos ever published, and it is still growing.

You have to wonder about the discussions going on over at their station about how to go about handling such a thing.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Jordan Peterson being interviewed by the CBC. Unsurprisingly, CBC is trying hard to smear Peterson.

 

[IDL]

Jordan Peterson being interviewed by the CBC. Unsurprisingly, CBC is trying hard to smear Peterson.

It's funny, the lady interviewing him didn't seem to be all that into trying to smear him, but she had to anyways because of her position.

Almost like "Sorry, I have to"

 

[Bald1]

I think it's safe to say there are always multiple factors involved in such things. The world is changing at a rapid pace. Far faster than it has changed before.

The rate of change is right in line with technological advances in communication imo. I read anything I can about our accelerated rate of growth/change in all areas. That is why I think even our recent past (say 50 years) is less relevant to us than any eras "50 years ago" from their past. Irrelevant in all but a learning opportunity capacity. Social norms, digesting and turning over new ideas, the rate we try to dial in our moral compass and technology, of course, would be incomprehensible to someone from the 50s. Fascinating topic.

As for Peterson being emotional - he's on record saying he has emotional stability issues. I think it stems from deeply believing in what he's doing and having an intimate understanding of the dark places we as a species can go to if we stray from the truth of things as he sees them.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

It's funny, the lady interviewing him didn't seem to be all that into trying to smear him, but she had to anyways because of her position.

Almost like "Sorry, I have to"

That is a good point. She was quite personable towards the end of the interview. It is too bad the CBC just wants to focus on Pepe and the alt-right when it comes to Jordan Peterson. They could utilize him in a segment where he gives his thoughts on a current issue. Maybe he could replace Rex Murphy in the future.

 

[unimackpass]

'Fraternal organizations' are something Feminists (and the ideology behind it) work to dismantle because it breeds 'toxic masculinity'. The NeoMarxist underpinning does in large part aim to deconstruct society and men (especially of the majority demographic) are standing in the way of that.

Now obviously only the radical left adopts that sort of perspective, but they are just a symptom of a much wider ideological push that is society wide, as they are churned out of the education systems like ideological soldiers.

So the general messages to young men that come from the society they are immersed in are changing and some of those messages are that they are a problem, and that is ideologically driven. Sort of like a slow conversion of a society to a new religion, or like how Marxism-Leninism was the prevailing ideology in the soviet union. The ideology that is creeping in undoubtedly will have a negative effect on those who it aims to deconstruct.

And of course there are many factors and that is just one. I generally agree with what you are saying.

The insertion of gender confusion is going for the ultimate kill shot on this. If boys today, that are already growing up with weak male influence and role models, are floated by the idea that they actually might not be the man they thought they were supposed to be then you really derail the train.

What makes it more insidious is the idea if you don't really question yourself then you're being narrow minded and just caving to the construct of the patriarchy which is by definition "toxic masculinity".
This creates their personality to be poorly integrated and fragmented setting people up for disaster.

Try to tackle anything in life while you doubt your own gender and see how that works out.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Jordan Peterson being interviewed by the CBC. Unsurprisingly, CBC is trying hard to smear Peterson.

Interesting. Peterson looked tired in that video. I think he realizes that he's in the Obama-zone now in that there's a LOT of people just dying for him to do something, j no matter how innocent and minor the indiscretion, so that they can discredit him for any reason.

 

[IDL]

The insertion of gender confusion is going for the ultimate kill shot on this. If boys today, that are already growing up with weak male influence and role models, are floated by the idea that they actually might not be the man they thought they were supposed to be then you really derail the train.

What makes it more insidious is the idea if you don't really question yourself then you're being narrow minded and just caving to the construct of the patriarchy which is by definition "toxic masculinity".
This creates their personality to be poorly integrated and fragmented setting people up for disaster.

Try to tackle anything in life while you doubt your own gender and see how that works out.

Yeah it's something you would use as a warfare strategy on a target society if you had no moral qualms about targeting children.

 

[Der Eisbär]

Interesting. Peterson looked tired in that video. I think he realizes that he's in the Obama-zone now in that there's a LOT of people just dying for him to do something, j no matter how innocent and minor the indiscretion, so that they can discredit him for any reason.

Agreed and I noticed that too. That's gotta be exhausting. He knows how much is riding on him and he knows they're watching and waiting at every turn to bring his whole house down. Better man than I.

 

[IDL]

The rate of change is right in line with technological advances in communication imo. I read anything I can about our accelerated rate of growth/change in all areas. That is why I think even our recent past (say 50 years) is less relevant to us than any eras "50 years ago" from their past. Irrelevant in all but a learning opportunity capacity. Social norms, digesting and turning over new ideas, the rate we try to dial in our moral compass and technology, of course, would be incomprehensible to someone from the 50s. Fascinating topic.

As for Peterson being emotional - he's on record saying he has emotional stability issues. I think it stems from deeply believing in what he's doing and having an intimate understanding of the dark places we as a species can go to if we stray from the truth of things as he sees them.

In a lot of ways yeah we're in uncharted territory, but I think we have to be careful in throwing away the past as a teaching tool as to how the future will possibly unfold and what tools we can carry forward. A LOT of things stay the same, even as the world changes around us.

Hah, Peterson deserves a vacation. Guy has been under a lot of pressure and is seemingly all over the world these days.

 

[unimackpass]

Yeah it's something you would use as a warfare strategy on a target society if you had no moral qualms about targeting children.

Total war starting with children and then finding all to willing participants even amongst teachers and parents.

 

[Halifax]

I have a shorter post interview analysis

Not that I agree with the man on all stuff, but she was worse lol

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Not that I agree with the man on stuff, but she was worse lol

What stuff do you not agree with?

 

[Halifax]

What stuff do you not agree with?

Sorry. Meant to say "All stuff"

But in some of his videos, I often find some of his terminology misleading. Living a life based on misery and just trying to make it "less miserable" , some of his views on white privilege, etc

 

[method115]

I think we need another analysis of this interview.

Agreed. Come back here around 5:00pm. I'm going to post my analysis of everyone's analysis of this interview.