Social The homeless issue in The US.

[evergreenrider]

Poverty and homelessness are byproducts of late stage capitalism. Profit before people is not a sustainable model.

Bingo. 20 years ago, rented a house just off the strip in Reno for $500 a month. New homes in the fernley area were less than $100,000. Fast forward 20 years Reno costs damn near as much as the bay area in CA.

Portland OR. 13 years ago apartments $500-800 a month. Now 1500-2500. The wages didn't raise at the same rates. Many of the homeless in the 2 cities i mentioned were once able to afford to house themselves.

Yes, addiction and mental illness is a major issue. But it also was an issue 20 years ago. When these people were still able to scrape by paying rent/mortgage while juggling whatever demon or struggle they deal with.

 

[The Big Yin]

Its not near!y as easy as you make it out to be, IMO. Plenty of people would've ended up on the streets regardless; I'll grant you. And even you gave them a house, a job, etc, they would still find a way back.

But for those trying to work their way by ask into society, without a strong support network, it is likely very challenging...

Go to a shelter? Great, and have your shit stolen anytime you have to go piss. Got a 2nd shift job? Too bad; you have to be back to the shelter by such down. That's if there's even a bed available. Etc.

Get a job? That's great. Can I have a regular place to shower? A regular place to lay my head near my workplace? Transportation to the job? An address to put on job apps? A phone that doesn't keep getting sto!en? Etc..

You have a job? Great , just go rent an apartment. Well, unfortunately the only jobs I could get can't even afford to sublet a room in this city. Ok, so just move to somewhere where debris cheaper. Great suggestion...can you front me enough to move and live off until I can find gainful employment somewhere else? No, that's what bootstraps are for. Etc.

As far as I can tell, being homeless is mostly trying to meet your daily needs for survival. Though many seem to look at it, as if homeless had access to the the same resources they personally had.

The homeless population in the UK is estimated to make up 0.3% (200'000 excluding children) of the population. And that's the generous figures that include those seeking emergency accomodation and are homeless for a matter of days

There is currently enough accomodation to house them. What there isn't is the kind of intensive intervention that completely rewrites the whole way they live their life - often against their will.

You hear dullards taking about capitalism, in Europe we have the most generous social welfare systems in the world, and we still have the homeless - explain that one away.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

Is our boy in the Oval Office gonna do something about it? Is it a world wide problem? How come it’s mostly Americans and not the immigrants?

Because homelessness is tied to drug abuse and immigrants don't do drugs the way Americans do.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

No point in trying to fix it. Its not fixable.

It is fixable but no one has the stomach for what that would look like. 99% of these people are mentally ill and should be committed.

 

[Deleted member 592570]

There is currently enough accomodation to house them. What there isn't is the kind of intensive intervention that completely rewrites the whole way they live their life - often against their will.

Bingo.

I am going through this right now with a family member. If they don't want to change, you have two options - cut them off or let them drag you down into hell with them.

Both options are fucking awful.

 

[avenue94]

Because homelessness is tied to drug abuse and immigrants don't do drugs the way Americans do.

Why do homeless rates and drug use or OD rates not correlate then?

 

[Crazy Source]

It is fixable but no one has the stomach for what that would look like. 99% of these people are mentally ill and should be committed.

99% of the homeless are mentally ill? That sounds wildly inaccurate.

 

[degoj99]

Then the batshit crazy and the drug addicts. Well there are shelters for them but they have ro follow rules and they don't want to so that so they do what they want.

Sure we could use more help in some areas but for the last group you would have ro change the laws on forced commitment first.

This is spot on, and is the most important step. We are failing as a society by not taking care of our most vulnerable, and the reason is misguided concerns with not infringing on people. The outcome is chronic homelessness and misery for people who cannot care for themselves.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Newsom calls on California cities to ban homeless encampments ‘without delay’​

Governor announces new ordinance to address ‘persistent’ camps as he intensifies crackdown on worsening crisis

Dani Anguiano

Gavin Newsom has called on California cities and counties to clear and effectively ban encampments “without delay” as the governor intensifies a crackdown on homelessness in the state.

Newsom on Monday announced a new model ordinance to address “persistent” camps, in hopes of reducing the most visible signs of a worsening crisis, as well as $3.3bn in voter-approved funding to increase housing and drug treatment programs.


“There’s nothing compassionate about letting people die on the streets. Local leaders asked for resources – we delivered the largest state investment in history. They asked for legal clarity – the courts delivered,” Newsom said in a statement.

“Now, we’re giving them a model they can put to work immediately, with urgency and with humanity, to resolve encampments and connect people to shelter, housing, and care. The time for inaction is over. There are no more excuses.”

California has the largest population of unsheltered people in the US with more than 180,000 people in the state experiencing homelessness, including 123,000 people living outside, according to a 2023 count. The state – and local governments across California – have begun enacting harsher anti-camping policies following a US supreme court’s ruling last year that cities can criminalize unhoused people for sleeping outside – even if there are no available shelter spaces.

Newsom has escalated efforts to force local governments into action since the 2024 supreme court decision, warning counties that he could withhold state support if they did not do more sweeps. In February, he told cities and counties they could lose out on hundreds of millions of dollars in state funding if they do not make progress in eradicating encampments and reducing homelessness.

In a statement this week the governor’s office pointed to its own approach that it said had cleared more than 16,000 encampments and was “effective and scalable”. The model ordinance introduced by the office includes provisions it said can be modified to suit local needs, including a ban on persistent camping in one location, a ban on encampments blocking sidewalks and a requirement for local officials to provide notice and offer shelter before clearing an encampment.

The governor is seeking to help municipalities set “rules around encampments and establish effective enforcement procedures that prioritize notice, shelter and services”, according to the statement.

“Encampments pose a serious public safety risk, and expose the people in encampments to increased risk of sexual violence, criminal activity, property damage and break-ins, and unsanitary conditions,” the news release said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/12/newsom-california-ban-homeless-encampments

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Is our boy in the Oval Office gonna do something about it? Is it a world wide problem? How come it’s mostly Americans and not the immigrants?

Because Dems were giving Illegal immigrants more benefits then American citizen veterans, and American citizens who are homeless.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

It's a situation I never understood. I traveled a bunch of different places and I was surprised at the variety of homelessness situations in different countries, including very poor countries.

In some places people are poor, but nobody is starving and everybody has a roof over their heads.
In some places I've seen literal infants in boxes on the street side.
I've seen tent towns like you see in LA.
I've seen cities where there are homeless people but very few and far between.

All these countries with various economic statuses, demographics, drug problems, etc. I couldn't figure out what the main factor is. Some countries have homelessness even though there is no drug epidemic. Some countries don't have homelessness even though they have a low GDP.

- You raise a good question my friend. Would like to know the answear.

 

[DoctorTaco]

It is fixable but no one has the stomach for what that would look like. 99% of these people are mentally ill and should be committed.

Maybe that is the incredibly dark silver lining of trumps administration working to suspend habeas corpus

 

[Scott Stapp]

Because Dems were giving Illegal immigrants more benefits then American citizen veterans, and American citizens who are homeless.

Better make giant cuts to the VA. That will surely solve the problem.

 

[Osculater]

Newsom calls on California cities to ban homeless encampments ‘without delay’​

Governor announces new ordinance to address ‘persistent’ camps as he intensifies crackdown on worsening crisis

Dani Anguiano

Gavin Newsom has called on California cities and counties to clear and effectively ban encampments “without delay” as the governor intensifies a crackdown on homelessness in the state.

Newsom on Monday announced a new model ordinance to address “persistent” camps, in hopes of reducing the most visible signs of a worsening crisis, as well as $3.3bn in voter-approved funding to increase housing and drug treatment programs.


“There’s nothing compassionate about letting people die on the streets. Local leaders asked for resources – we delivered the largest state investment in history. They asked for legal clarity – the courts delivered,” Newsom said in a statement.

“Now, we’re giving them a model they can put to work immediately, with urgency and with humanity, to resolve encampments and connect people to shelter, housing, and care. The time for inaction is over. There are no more excuses.”

California has the largest population of unsheltered people in the US with more than 180,000 people in the state experiencing homelessness, including 123,000 people living outside, according to a 2023 count. The state – and local governments across California – have begun enacting harsher anti-camping policies following a US supreme court’s ruling last year that cities can criminalize unhoused people for sleeping outside – even if there are no available shelter spaces.

Newsom has escalated efforts to force local governments into action since the 2024 supreme court decision, warning counties that he could withhold state support if they did not do more sweeps. In February, he told cities and counties they could lose out on hundreds of millions of dollars in state funding if they do not make progress in eradicating encampments and reducing homelessness.

In a statement this week the governor’s office pointed to its own approach that it said had cleared more than 16,000 encampments and was “effective and scalable”. The model ordinance introduced by the office includes provisions it said can be modified to suit local needs, including a ban on persistent camping in one location, a ban on encampments blocking sidewalks and a requirement for local officials to provide notice and offer shelter before clearing an encampment.

The governor is seeking to help municipalities set “rules around encampments and establish effective enforcement procedures that prioritize notice, shelter and services”, according to the statement.

“Encampments pose a serious public safety risk, and expose the people in encampments to increased risk of sexual violence, criminal activity, property damage and break-ins, and unsanitary conditions,” the news release said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/12/newsom-california-ban-homeless-encampments

The 2028 Summer Olympics, baby!

 

[wolfss]

Because Dems were giving Illegal immigrants more benefits then American citizen veterans, and American citizens who are homeless.

How can you really be homeless in the land of opportunity, and the richest country in the world? You have to be a goddamn idiot, and you deserve to be homeless, if you are anAmerican citizen, and on top of that a veteran of the armed forces. That system literally feeds you and shelters you for life.

 

[wolfss]

Because Dems were giving Illegal immigrants more benefits then American citizen veterans, and American citizens who are homeless.

Your reply absolutely tells us what type of American you are. A POS that can’t take care of himself and cannot take responsibility for his own actions. Illegals can’t collect benefits, but they sure can pay into the system. If you lose your spot in the workforce to an illegal it is because you’re a fucking idiot.

 

[Corona]

Newsom calls on California cities to ban homeless encampments ‘without delay’​

Governor announces new ordinance to address ‘persistent’ camps as he intensifies crackdown on worsening crisis

Dani Anguiano

Gavin Newsom has called on California cities and counties to clear and effectively ban encampments “without delay” as the governor intensifies a crackdown on homelessness in the state.

Newsom on Monday announced a new model ordinance to address “persistent” camps, in hopes of reducing the most visible signs of a worsening crisis, as well as $3.3bn in voter-approved funding to increase housing and drug treatment programs.


“There’s nothing compassionate about letting people die on the streets. Local leaders asked for resources – we delivered the largest state investment in history. They asked for legal clarity – the courts delivered,” Newsom said in a statement.

“Now, we’re giving them a model they can put to work immediately, with urgency and with humanity, to resolve encampments and connect people to shelter, housing, and care. The time for inaction is over. There are no more excuses.”

California has the largest population of unsheltered people in the US with more than 180,000 people in the state experiencing homelessness, including 123,000 people living outside, according to a 2023 count. The state – and local governments across California – have begun enacting harsher anti-camping policies following a US supreme court’s ruling last year that cities can criminalize unhoused people for sleeping outside – even if there are no available shelter spaces.

Newsom has escalated efforts to force local governments into action since the 2024 supreme court decision, warning counties that he could withhold state support if they did not do more sweeps. In February, he told cities and counties they could lose out on hundreds of millions of dollars in state funding if they do not make progress in eradicating encampments and reducing homelessness.

In a statement this week the governor’s office pointed to its own approach that it said had cleared more than 16,000 encampments and was “effective and scalable”. The model ordinance introduced by the office includes provisions it said can be modified to suit local needs, including a ban on persistent camping in one location, a ban on encampments blocking sidewalks and a requirement for local officials to provide notice and offer shelter before clearing an encampment.

The governor is seeking to help municipalities set “rules around encampments and establish effective enforcement procedures that prioritize notice, shelter and services”, according to the statement.

“Encampments pose a serious public safety risk, and expose the people in encampments to increased risk of sexual violence, criminal activity, property damage and break-ins, and unsanitary conditions,” the news release said.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/may/12/newsom-california-ban-homeless-encampments

GOATsom 2028. I actually had to wait in traffic this morning on my way back from the gym and was kind of pissed off. Then when I drove by the city clearing out some homeless encampment I was cool with it lol.


Still think we need to enact my original idea and ship them all to Barstow imo.

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Your reply absolutely tells us what type of American you are. A POS that can’t take care of himself and cannot take responsibility for his own actions. Illegals can’t collect benefits, but they sure can pay into the system. If you lose your spot in the workforce to an illegal it is because you’re a fucking idiot.

You sound like an illegal alien.

 

[Michaelangelo]

High performing males with family support can’t get clean and sober

The homeless have no chance

 

[Michaelangelo]

GOATsom 2028. I actually had to wait in traffic this morning on my way back from the gym and was kind of pissed off. Then when I drove by the city clearing out some homeless encampment I was cool with it lol.


Still think we need to enact my original idea and ship them all to Barstow imo.

San Bernardino is already half way there

Jam the rest of SoCal’s homeless inside and put a glass dome around it like The Simpson’s movie