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Have any of you been keeping up with the PG&E situation in the Bay Area? They have basically told us with about 1-2 days notice we may or may not have our power out in our area, or maybe others, for maybe between 1-7 days.

This state is a joke for allowing this to happen.
 
It must say something political about all of California
 
It's happening here in kern county as well
 
Have any of you been keeping up with the PG&E situation in the Bay Area? They have basically told us with about 1-2 days notice we may or may not have our power out in our area, or maybe others, for maybe between 1-7 days.

This state is a joke for allowing this to happen.

Not "California", just NorCal, bro. You guys are like an entirely different State up there.


PG&E cut power for hundreds of thousands in Northern California
By Christina Maxouris, Jason Hanna and Theresa Waldrop

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In an attempt to avoid sparking a wildfire, California's largest utility intentionally cut power to hundreds of thousands of customers Wednesday, and power isn't likely to be restored for days, the company said.

Pacific Gas & Electric started the shutoff early Wednesday, leaving parts of 22 counties -- including northern portions of the San Francisco Bay Area -- in the dark.

PG&E shut down power for about 500,000 customers in Northern California early Wednesday, but was able to restore it for about 44,000 during the day, the company said at a press conference. An additional 250,000 customers may lose power later Wednesday, the utility said.

"We took this step to ensure safety as a last resort, and we are committed to reducing the risk of catastrophic wildfire events" Sumeet Singh, vice president of PG&E's Community Wildfire Safety Program, said Wednesday.

Diablo winds sweeping across arid Northern California "historically are the events that cause the most destructive wildfires in California history," said PG&E meteorologist Scott Strenfel.

The wind is expected to subside Friday, Strenfel said. PG&E crews will then examine their system for damage and begin to restore power for customers. That could take several days after the wind dies down, Singh said.

A Starbucks in Sausalito, north of San Francisco, was among the businesses closed Wednesday during a massive, intentional power outage in Northern California.

"We very much understand the inconvenience and difficulties such a power outage would cause and we do not take or make this decision lightly," he said. "This decision ... was really focused on ensuring that we're continuing to maintain the safety of our customers and our communities."

The utility said it expects to restore service to as many as 80,000 more customers Wednesday evening if it can be done safely.

Firefighters were working to put out a grass fire at a wind turbine farm in Solano County Wednesday. Customers in that county were affected by the shutdown.

'Their answer to everything is to just shut it off'

PG&E has come under criticism in recent years for the role of its equipment in a series of catastrophic wildfires across the state, including the deadly 2018 Camp Fire. The utility has agreed to pay billions of dollars in damages.

The company warned in February it could proactively cut power more often and to more customers during risky weather conditions as a means of preventing wildfires caused by high winds downing live power equipment.

The plan, critics say, lets PG&E get away with inconveniencing its customers and costing businesses instead of upgrading its infrastructure to prevent fires.

"I'm angry at PG&E," Blair Roman, a PG&E customer who's out of power in Mill Valley. "Most of my friends are angry as well."

"They didn't do what they were supposed to do and keep up with the lines and the power," Roman said. "Their answer to everything is to just shut it off so we can't get blamed for it. It's a major inconvenience, it's going to cost companies billions of dollars. And it all could have been avoided."

State Senator Jim Nielsen, whose district includes Paradise, where 85 died in last year's Camp Fire, said the "massive power shutoff is unacceptable."

"This has to change," Nielsen said in a release. "PG&E's decision to protect itself from liability at the expense of hardworking Californians will not be tolerated. This disregards people's livelihoods. We depend on electricity to live and earn a living."

San Jose officials also said they would prefer that PG&E improve its equipment instead of imposing outages.

"We really want to put pressure on PG&E to make investments on their infrastructure to make it safe and reliable so they won't have to shut down when there are weather events," said deputy city manager Kip Harkness. "And we're talking to them and making that stance known to them," he said.

Preparing to be without power for as long as 7 days

San Jose Mayor Sam Liccardo urged residents on Monday to prepare to be without power for as long as seven days.

In San Jose, officials are warning of consequences both inconvenient and potentially life-threatening.

Southern and eastern parts of San Jose are expected to see their power cut. Although PG&E says only 38,000 San Jose accounts will be affected, that could translate to as many as 200,000 of the city's 1 million residents, Harkness said.

Because some traffic lights will be out, people should consider driving as little as possible, Harkness said during a Wednesday news conference.

Police, fire, water, sewer and garbage-pickup services will continue, Harkness said. But he urged people to check on vulnerable people, like the sick, elderly and those who rely on medical devices.
"Prepare yourself, prepare your family, and help your neighbors," he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/09/us/pge-power-outage-wednesday/index.html

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I am very glad that SoCal is served by Southern California Edison and not the incompetent PG&E arsonists.

Update: the memes have begun:

https://www.kron4.com/news/californians-hilariously-meme-their-way-through-pge-shutoffs/
 
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Thought this was about Gavin Newsom passing an executive order allowing the state to use those “to fix the roads only we promise” gas tax profits on “whatever we want actually” instead after voters recently approved allowing him to increase taxes further without needing voter approval as well.

Well done Cali voters. Well done indeed.
 
PG & E equipment caused recent wildfires that cost lives and property damage and they had to pay billions in fines and they warned then at that time that in order to prevent future issues they would shut down sections going forward when high winds and fire friendly weather occurred. Well they werent bluffing because its here. Im in southern cal and were being impacted as well by southern cal edison but to smaller degree. I know a lot of people are putting pressure on the electric companies to upgrade equipment, but I cant imagine how many miles of service line they have in remote areas throughout the state. I dont think they can be reasonably expected to just go make everything safe in a short time frame or without drastically raising prices.
 
PG & E equipment caused recent wildfires that cost lives and property damage and they had to pay billions in fines and they warned then at that time that in order to prevent future issues they would shut down sections going forward when high winds and fire friendly weather occurred. Well they werent bluffing because its here. Im in southern cal and were being impacted as well by southern cal edison but to smaller degree. I know a lot of people are putting pressure on the electric companies to upgrade equipment, but I cant imagine how many miles of service line they have in remote areas throughout the state. I dont think they can be reasonably expected to just go make everything safe in a short time frame or without drastically raising prices.

I understand that, but to give us like a day’s notice and then not even specify what cities or even better what buildings in what cities would be affected and for how long is a joke.
 
Sounds like this is PH&E's fault, not the state. It also sounds like they should be dissolved and all assets taken by the state.
 
It must say something political about all of California

It does fall under the purview of state government.

https://www.cpuc.ca.gov

California Public Utilities Commission

The CPUC regulates services and utilities, protects consumers, safeguards the environment, and assures Californians' access to safe and reliable utility infrastructure and services. The essential services regulated include electric, natural gas, telecommunications, water, railroad, rail transit, and passenger transportation companies. On this website you'll find information about the many initiatives underway at the CPUC.
 
'A victim of their own failure': Why PG&E's massive power shutdown in Northern California was inevitable
Marco della Cava, Gabrielle Paluch and Elizabeth Weise, USA TODAY | Oct. 9, 2019

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SAN FRANCISCO – In cutting power to more than 2 million California residents Wednesday, Pacific Gas and Electric once again earned the wrath of citizens and politicians alike.

But, others note, the public utility was damned if it did, and damned if it didn’t go with the extreme measure, enacted in an effort to avoid once again sparking wildfires as fierce winds kicked up around the state.

PG&E was forced to declare bankruptcy this year after being held liable for tens of billions in damages resulting from many of the two dozen deadly wildfires that flared in 2017 because of downed power lines.

“I would say this outage is justified, but it’s coarse,” says Scott Lewis Stephens, professor of fire science at the University of California, Berkeley.

“The impact of this is so huge that it will probably encourage more discussions about what we’ll do in these cases down the road,” he says. “In the future, it needs to be more refined.”

PG&E’s approach certainly was more sledgehammer than scalpel, affecting more than 30 counties across the state, where it provides power to about 16 million of California’s 40 million residents.

What’s more, the utility warned that it could take days to restore power because all power lines would need to be inspected for possible wind-related damage before electricity could once again flow.

In fact, about 25,000 miles of PG&E lines are involved in this week’s preventive outage, company spokesman Jeff Smith says.

“Our aim is to restore power 48 hours after the weather has passed, but customers should prepare for an extended day outage, especially when you have so many shutoffs going on,” he says. “With over 30 counties, that’s a lot of wire we need to inspect.”

Smith says that because of the changing climate and the state’s recent wildfire history, such public safety power shutoffs, newly instituted this year, “are necessary to keep customers safe."

California's rising fire danger

The utility’s outage track record is wanting. Data published by the California Public Utilities Commission this month shows across all three utilities it regulates in California, there have been 4,082,970 customer hours of preemptive outages since the end of 2017.

Of those, PG&E accounted for just over half the total outage hours, although San Diego Gas & Electric customers were most likely to experience an outage, racking up 2 million hours of outages in the same time period across their relatively small, 4,100-square-mile territory.

Fire increasingly is a part of the California energy puzzle. Fire itself, of course, is not an unnatural part of the landscapes here, it’s part of what created them in the first place and will continue to occur.

owever as the climate warms, areas that were already hot and subject to drought will only face more fire danger, says Brian Harvey, a professor of environmental and forest sciences at the University of Washington in Seattle.

“Long-term, it’s something we’ve got to grapple with,” he says. “How do we best design our infrastructure to be able to live in these fire prone environments?”

'We are not a third world country'

That question proved too lofty for many state politicians, who were quick to rail against PG&E’s blanket disruption that canceled classes, closed stores and put hospital patients and the infirm at risk.

Typical of the firestorm of criticism was state Sen. Scott Wiener’s comment that “this is a completely unacceptable state of affairs,” and state Sen. Jerry Hill telling the local ABC affiliate that “we are not a third world country.”

Many believe PG&E should be working toward creating a network that is much more robust when it comes to dealing with the elements.

Moving ahead with a sudden shutdown of power for millions "is like saying ‘I don’t have good brakes so I’m not driving the kids to school anymore,’” says Michael Aguirre, former city attorney for San Diego who has filed a lawsuit in federal court challenging the implementation of the wildfire bill Gov. Gavin Newsom signed into law this past July that would leave ratepayers in the position of having to pay for future utility liabilities.

“Their system should be able to handle 50 mph winds," Aguirre says. "Because PG&E has not maintained their system in accordance with the requirements, they may not start fires, but are inflicting other damages and losses on customers.”

Mark Tomey, executive director of The Utility Reform Network, a nonprofit group that advocates for PG&E customers, echoed that sentiment, placing the blame square at the utility’s feet.

“PG&E is in a tough position, but it’s a position of their own making,” says Tomey. “The company knows what has to be done for a long-term solution, like tree trimming, insulating wires so they don’t spark, inspecting transmission towers, but they’re behind. So now they’re disconnecting millions of people because they can’t depend on their safety measures due to past negligence.”

PG&E has only finished about a third of the tree trimming work it had planned to tackle this year, due partly to a personnel shortage, according to a filing the company submitted to U.S. District Judge William Alsup, who is overseeing PG&E’s probation related to a 2010 gas explosion in San Bruno that killed 10 people.

“This is a problem that has been years in the making,” says Tomey. “They’re a victim of their own failure.”

Picking up the pace of their tree-trimming operation may not provide much comfort, especially for those Californians living in particularly rural areas such as Paradise, which was completely wiped out by a firestorm.

Sierra Club California director Kathryn Phillips is concerned about relying on tree trimming to help mitigate against future fire-related disasters. She says that such trimming tends to open up “long, narrow clear cuts that will be filled in with fire-prone grasses and shrubs, so this may not be the right thing to do from a safety perspective.”

In fact, PG&E is ignoring a vast array of alternative solutions to its power line woes, says Edward Goldberg, CEO of Perimeter Solutions, the company that developed, manufactures, and supplies the branded long term fire retardant known as Phos-Chek, the red slurry dropped from air tankers during fire disasters.

“We have been working with PG&E for years, until recently our cooperation with them was limited to spraying our product directly onto their power poles to prevent loss of infrastructure during a fire disaster,” Goldberg says. “We have been trying to work with PG&E on what we see as an obvious solution to treat areas around electrical infrastructure in lieu of power shutoffs.”

The 'new normal' for PG&E?

Fire science professor Stephens says that PG&E can work to shift from the relative blunt tool of massive power disruptions to more targeted outages, given some time and funds. Specifically, he cites the ability of San Diego's power company to surgically target particularly risk-prone ridges with outages that don't affect the entire city.

By contrast, he says he's waiting for PG&E to shut down power any moment to Berkeley, "which will safeguard our hills, but also take down the entire university."

For Max Fuentes, a former utility lineman turned industry consultant out of Sacramento, PG&E still has many questions to answer when it comes to how it will deal with weather-related worries in the future.

"The minute you decide to shut all these lines down, do they have staged crews ready to start putting up new equipment to mitigate problems in the future, or it just, 'Let's wait it out'?" says Fuentes. "Is PG&E they treating this situation like an emergency or is it the new normal. We all need to know what their plan is."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...e-stuck-position-their-own-making/3924699002/
 
Good time for the state to take control of the power infrastructure

Put thousands to work at good wages repairing the infrastructure private business refuses to
 
So this whole thing comes from what happens when you have inefficient corporate entities controlling too much of a market. They are punishing the consumer because of their negligence leading to high cost when their feet are held to the fire.

Essentially it's the abusive husband whose wife cannot leave him because he earns the entire paycheck. Consumers are stuck holding the bag for PG&Es monopoly+failures.

Now the state will be forced to liquidate the assets of the company (if they want to save longterm) but that will only cause the libertarian zealots to nap for 2 years, and then pretend it's government that doesn't handle industry efficiently because they'll conveniently forget how this started.
 
Good time for the state to take control of the power infrastructure

Put thousands to work at good wages repairing the infrastructure private business refuses to

I don't know, man.

PG&E is a joke, but NorCal would definitely have to pay double or triple what they are being charged monthly now if the utilities are run by California state bureaucrats.

After the Multi-Billion-Dollars colossal failure that is the California High Speed Rail, I'm skeptical of any major public project as long as one party continues ruling this state and answers to absolutely no one.

If and when PG&E goes into Chapter 7, perhaps another energy company in the state can buy their remnants and fix the mess.
 
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This is PG&E trying to cover their ass since their equipment started the fire that killed a bunch of people last year.

The ironic thing is that I'm sure there are now thousands of people firing up gas generators that otherwise wouldn't have been. Just hope nothing lights up. It has been a mercifully quiet fire season so far.
 
This happens to us about every other year when the hurricanes come on through (eastern North Carolina). Last year half the region was without power for 10+ days. Usually they shut off the power before the hurricane makes landfall, and it won't come back on until the crews have cleared all the debris from power lines and fixed the broken lines. It certainly sucks but it seems like it's a pretty normal and appropriate course of action to take until the threat has passed.
 

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