The Guns & Worker party

[irish_thug]

If we let them go after dirt bags, then we couldn't hold management to account for unequal enforcement.

I view it like someone who got away with a crime, because the cops didn't read him his Miranda rights.

I'm saying it's a waste of time. I could be working towards the greater good, instead I'm spinning my wheels defending people who don't deserve defending.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Are you goddamn kidding? The democrats outright say they want gun bans, Obama cried on television and says his biggest disappointment in office was not passing enough additional gun laws.

Name a currently serving democratic congressperson or senator who is on record saying their objective is to "ban guns" and provide the source. Thanks.

 

[Uber_Noober]

The dems are pro worker? You mean like all the workers at the San Ysidro border trying to access to a lifetime supply of free shit?

 

[kpt018]

Agreed.

Apparently though, the Democratic establishment has decided that guns are a issue they want to make central to the Democratic platform.

Don't ask me why. I think it is a losing issue for Democrats.

It's not "central to the Democratic platform". It's actually more accurate to say that it's not a big priority at all aside from certain individuals.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Everything government attempts is wasteful, inefficient, and/or limits freedom.

This is as childish and reactionary as saying that everything private businesses do exploits workers and the environment.

There is a place for both a public and a private sector. Each brings with it specific strengths and specific weaknesses. Tuning their proper interdependence is the key to advancing human civilization.

 

[TheComebackKid]

You have that incorrect.

The regulations that stifle small businesses and entrepreneurs are supported by large corporations precisely because they give them an advantage of new entrants to their industry. The accountants and the lawyers who work for the large corporations largely kill the bills that would negatively impact large corporations.

You cannot support pro-worker policies by promoting pro-ownership/entrepreneurship, the 2 sides sit on opposite sides of the negotiating table. The balance is out of whack so ownership/entrepreneurship has to take a backseat to pro-worker policies in the near term. Strengthening both at this stage just reinforces the gap.

Unless everyone is a sole proprietor or in partnerships that never grow to hiring staff, you're going to have to reinforce the workers to give them better leverage against the large corporations.

If the premise of what you're saying is correct then what you are arguing is that there is no way to simultaneously strengthen the ability and opportunities for the aspiring entrepreneur(the little guy) while simultaneously supporting/strengthening the worker(also the little guy). If that is true then...wtf? Then our only option is to resign ourselves to permanent worker status, working for an ever increasing monopoly of corporations, and just to try and leverage the most we can out of it(even tho they control our politicians anyway). Or I suppose we eventually use the government to take control of certain corporations and sectors of the economy to balance things out?

I guess if those are the only other two options I would rather take my chance strengthening both and then letting the free market close the gap rather than succumb to an ever increasing corporate dominated economy and world.

 

[TheComebackKid]

It sucks for people that are center. It feels like this country expects you to fall right down party lines. While I feel the GOP sucks and I don't believe I will vote for a GOP candidate ever again, I'm not real happy with the identity politics of the democrats either. Our government should be a reflection of the will of the people, I don't think we get that, with only two parties having so much power in this country.

I think the best thing to do is just focus on issues rather than party.

If you like secure borders, low taxes, low regs, gun rights, energy independence, trade concessions from China, peace on the Korean peninsula...then the choice is obvious. If you like identity politics, high taxes, gun control, open borders, treasonous investigations, ect then the choice is also obvious.

 

[LMP]

I think the best thing to do is just focus on issues rather than party.

If you like secure borders, low taxes, low regs, gun rights, energy independence, trade concessions from China, peace on the Korean peninsula...then the choice is obvious. If you like identity politics, high taxes, gun control, open borders, treasonous investigations, ect then the choice is also obvious.

What if I think rights of the people outweigh rights of corporations, social programs are needed, high regulation and taxes on corporations, low taxes for the people, and world peace, Free speech, the right to marry whoever you want, right to worship whatever you want, the right to defend yourself, higher education for anyone that wants it.... on and on and on.

 

[TheComebackKid]

What if I think rights of the people outweigh rights of corporations, social programs are needed, high regulation and taxes on corporations, low taxes for the people, and world peace, Free speech, the right to marry whoever you want, right to worship whatever you want, the right to defend yourself, higher education for anyone that wants it.... on and on and on.

I think then you should vote Democrat because they are in line with you on every issue but gun rights and low taxes for the "people". You would also have to put up with the party HQ's being funded by Clinton and a ton of deep state corruption.

It's not perfect but we're a country of 360 million. No way for everyone to get the exact platform they want.

 

[LMP]

I think then you should vote Democrat because they are in line with you on every issue but gun rights and low taxes for the "people". You would also have to put up with the party HQ's being funded by Clinton and a ton of deep state corruption.

It's not perfect but we're a country of 360 million. No way for everyone to get the exact platform they want.

Dems are weak on immigration wouldn't do... anyways that's the problem with the two party system we get two choices for 350+ million people.

 

[nostradumbass]

Name a currently serving democratic congressperson or senator who is on record saying their objective is to "ban guns" and provide the source. Thanks.

 

[ultramanhyata]

Oh... So by "ban guns" you mean an intention to place bans on specific models or types of firearms, not all weapons, universally.

 

[TheComebackKid]

Name a currently serving democratic congressperson or senator who is on record saying their objective is to "ban guns" and provide the source. Thanks.

 

[nostradumbass]

Oh... So by "ban guns" you mean an intention to place bans on specific models or types of firearms, not all weapons, universally.

lol, nice save

 

[Deleted member 409801]

I actually agree with many policies from the left . I like strong environmental protections , think we need social safety nets, wouldn't mind some kind of socialised healthcare system ( even though my family has been kinda brutalized by Obama care these last few years ......I have a $7500 deductible now !) , Drug laws , gay marriage ECT ECT.

But....BUT......the dems are just such hysterical homos ( no offense to any actual homos) about the whole gun thing I just have a tremendously hard time supporting them.

Count me in as a supporter of the workers and guns party.

 

[ultramanhyata]

lol, nice save

Your attempted deception was far more impressive IMO.

 

[nostradumbass]

Your attempted deception was far more impressive IMO.

Still hanging in there?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

While the NRA and GOP constantly scare monger about Dems "coming for our guns," this is a hollow threat used to score political points and sell more guns. Gun sales soared under Obama because he was going to "take our guns away"... except he didn't. He never tried.

Red herring (presuming you're referring to the government going around door to door scooping up every firearm). As if we should all be fine with prohibition of certain models moving forward just because people that already have them are grandfathered in? Can't imagine you'd use a similar standard when it comes to other rights. Nobody needs to use racial slurs so lets ban those words. There's other words. Existing media with those words in them already can stay though. So nobody is coming for your free speech.

As we see though, grandfathering isn't guaranteed. Was the following law enacted by Republicans in Deerfield? Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm guessing Democrats are chiefly responsible. For people who value Constitutional protections, fining people daily who don't turn over their rightful property is pretty much coming for your guns. This law would be coming for almost all of my long guns.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/illinois-town-votes-to-ban-assault-rifles-fine-violators-1000-per-day/

The Chicago suburb of Deerfield, Illinois voted on Monday to ban the possession, sale, and manufacture of assault weapons and large capacity magazines to "increase the public's sense of safety." What's more, CBS Chicago reports, anyone refusing to give up their banned firearm will be fined $1,000 a day until the weapon is handed over or removed from the town's limits.

There's five volumes of a thread in this forum noting all the threats and legislative attempts to prevent people from owning various firearms, as well as all the talk and efforts to make semi-auto pistols and rifles less effective by limiting ammunition capacity. It's all pushed mostly be Democrats. Obama getting no legislation passed is hardly proof of the two parties being the same on this issue.

 

[A.S. Deep]

Would you vote for a party that was pro-gun, and pro-worker?

With dems you get the pro-labor platform. With Reps you get the defense of the 2nd amendment.

What if I like both?

Why do I not get the chance to vote for a candidate that shares my beliefs?

Who decided that one party was going to be for workers, and the other for guns?

Back in the day from 1940-1970's, I believe both parties were pro-gun, and pro-worker. What happened?

Would definitely be my party. America needs a populist, workers oriented party.

 

[Quequeg]

Republicans literally allow corporation lobbyists write the laws and regulations, and morons still try to argue they are good for working class.