The American Gun Rights Thread Vol. 3

[Greoric]

good pt tho, our job in Kabul was Drill Sergeants for the ANA. I'm sure you've seen the videos, but they LITERALLY can't even do jumping jacks properly

Haha yeah, I remember seeing that for the first time. That was funny as hell.

 

[Greoric]

Yup. People go truly medieval only when their stomachs are empty and such a thing is unlikely to happen in the USA.

It's interesting you mention that. There's a threshold where if 40% (or something around there) of a household's income goes just to food, you'll start to see increased levels of civil unrest.

 

[Harmonica]

It's interesting you mention that. There's a threshold where if 40% (or something around there) of a household's income goes just to food, you'll start to see increased levels of civil unrest.

It all depends on what people had gotten used to up until that point. Such percentage has been a norm in some countries for decades.

 

[Greoric]

It all depends on what people had gotten used to up until that point. Such percentage has been a norm in some countries for decades.

It's hard for people to get used to starving mate, that's why that figure is significant.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

First part is gaslighting, you know what US culture is. Second is humblebrag.



Straw man, regional differences in the USA are irrelevant to me. What is gun culture, more gaslighting, Americans are OBSESSED with guns, for reasons the description of which is a subject for another thread.



Straw man, that's not what I said. More guns = more death of all kinds



European countries are really different and it is questionable how meaningful it is to put them in a group like that.Statistically the UK has more violent crime than South Africa so that's probably due to how they measure it. Otherwise this doesn't seem to be relevant to what I said so it's another implie straw man.



Straw man I didn't say that and your question has nothing to do with what I said.



There's no logical contradiction there. This is a psychological shibboleth which most people are incapable of understanding so I'm not going to explain it. If you think it's a contradiction that's fine by me.

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Lol wtf is this shit. Literally just ducked everything I asked or said.

Asking you what is US culture and gun culture is gaslighting? Getting clarification as to what you are talking about is physiologically manipulating your ideals?

Humble brag

Strawman... you said those are the consequences of having guns. I find it strange to say that when other countries have similar or worse rates in many of the things you listed. I purposely left out the term violent crime and listed specific crimes as places classify "violent crime" differently.

Well when you LOL and shit on the rational for owning guns then state that as the reason you are for people owning guns, that doesn't read as a contradiction to you? Lol at that being a psychological test. How about you explain it. Can't be too hard to clarify.

I don't know who that picture is.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Hahahahaha. Same shit, different phrasing.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/democrats-gun-messaging-225722

ARS invested heavily in developing the new message, hiring Greenberg Quinlan Rosner to run several polls, Global Strategy Group to host online discussion boards and Anzalone Liszt Grove to hold five focus groups around the country with gun-owning women, millennials and minority voters.

The strongest message in favor of stronger gun laws, Walker said, is “with freedom comes responsibility.”

That language mirrors that of gun rights groups, by design. The NRA calls itself “freedom’s safest place,” for example.

“Essentially, we co-opted their language,” Walker said. Similarly, another point stresses that “as adults, we have a responsibility to make our country a safer place to live.”

 

[Concrete Whale]

Lol wtf is this shit. Literally just ducked everything I asked or said.

Asking you what is US culture and gun culture is gaslighting? Getting clarification as to what you are talking about is physiologically manipulating your ideals?

Humble brag

Strawman... you said those are the consequences of having guns. I find it strange to say that when other countries have similar or worse rates in many of the things you listed. I purposely left out the term violent crime and listed specific crimes as places classify "violent crime" differently.

Well when you LOL and shit on the rational for owning guns then state that as the reason you are for people owning guns, that doesn't read as a contradiction to you? Lol at that being a psychological test. How about you explain it. Can't be too hard to clarify.

I don't know who that picture is.

Hello I think that your arguments are not honest or sincere and do not correspond to reality. I think you have a quasi-religious reverence for guns and American gun national idea kind of thing and just say anything you can think of to try to 'defend' it. That's not really my thing. If you want to advocate gun ownership and convoke that with pride in the USA and the superiority of the USA that's fine by me. Have a great day.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Hello I think that your arguments are not honest or sincere...

I think that you're a shit poster, unlike your adversary here. Cheers.

 

[Greoric]

I think that you're a shit poster, unlike your adversary here. Cheers.

LOL Cubo. Never change mate.

 

[RerouteToRemain]

Hello I think that your arguments are not honest or sincere and do not correspond to reality. I think you have a quasi-religious reverence for guns and American gun national idea kind of thing and just say anything you can think of to try to 'defend' it. That's not really my thing. If you want to advocate gun ownership and convoke that with pride in the USA and the superiority of the USA that's fine by me. Have a great day.

In that top part are you describing your own posts?

You can't even clarify your broad/contradictory statements.

Where in my couple posts did I do any of what you just said?

Have a good one...

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

It's interesting you mention that. There's a threshold where if 40% (or something around there) of a household's income goes just to food, you'll start to see increased levels of civil unrest.

America's cheap food policy is the dirty little secret to America's superpower success.

The average American spends less than 18% of their annual income on food.

The Direct Cash payment (1971-2014, not one of my favorite programs, but at times it seemed to at least approach its stated goal) for producers was an invention of Dr. Earl Butz. One of the many policy holdovers of the Nixon Administration.

 

[UpaLoompa]

They were in literally just about the two least military jobs there are. They were lucky to know which end bullets come out. Any proficiency you think they displayed was due to their own motivation.

Fair enough.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Opinions are like assholes...

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opin...e-the-front-burner-072016-20160720-story.html

Consistent with their purpose, assault weapons are actually outside the protections of the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment recognizes that, while guns have been important for many Americans for various reasons, also embedded in our history and tradition is the authority of our government and elected officials to keep dangerous weapons off limits to protect public safety. As such, in District of Columbia v. Heller, which recognized the right to possess handguns in the home for self-defense, the late Justice Antonin Scalia went out of his way to reaffirm that dangerous weapons are not in the ambit of constitutional protection at all.

Although assault weapons may not be responsible for the majority of gun violence in our country, we know at least two things to be true:

• When these weapons of war are used, they kill and injure many people in the space of minutes.

•They also pose a grave risk to law enforcement, where one in five are killed by these weapons in the line of duty (Violence Policy Center, 2014).

With life so gravely at stake — and with assault weapons falling so far outside the fundamental purposes that the Second Amendment protects — significant barriers to accessing them should be in place. When the Florida Legislature convenes in 2017, it must pass legislation prohibiting these weapons.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/...weapons-ban/eEvOBklTriWcGznmXqSpYM/story.html

The gun industry has found a way to exploit our laws, a loophole of potentially horrific proportions. And it’s time we act.

The Massachusetts assault weapons ban mirrors the federal ban Congress allowed to expire in 2004. It prohibits the sale of specific weapons like the Colt AR-15 and AK-47 and explicitly bans “copies or duplicates” of those weapons. But gun manufacturers have taken it upon themselves to define what a “copy” or “duplicate” weapon is. They market “state compliant” copycat versions of their assault weapons to Massachusetts buyers. They sell guns without a flash suppressor or folding or telescoping stock, for example, small tweaks that do nothing to limit the lethalness of the weapon.

On Wednesday, we are sending a directive to all gun manufacturers and dealers that makes clear that the sale of these copycat assault weapons is illegal in Massachusetts. With this directive, we will ensure we get the full protection intended when lawmakers enacted our assault weapons ban, not the watered-down version of those protections offered by gun manufacturers.

The directive specifically outlines two tests to determine what constitutes a “copy” or “duplicate” of a prohibited weapon. If a gun’s operating system is essentially the same as that of a banned weapon, or if the gun has components that are interchangeable with those of a banned weapon, it’s a “copy” or “duplicate,” and it is illegal. Assault weapons prohibited under our laws cannot be altered in any way to make their sale or possession legal in Massachusetts.

We recognize that most residents who purchased these guns in the past believed they were doing so legally, so this directive will not apply to possession of guns purchased before Wednesday.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-07-01/house-will-vote-on-nra-backed-gun-bill

Cornyn's legislation – backed by the National Rifle Association – would trigger a 72-hour waiting period if someone on a federal terrorism watch list tries to buy a gun. Law enforcement would have the duration of the waiting period to file charges or the sale would be allowed to proceed.

"The bill introduced today will provide more tools and resources to combat the spread of dangerous radical Islamist ideology and help our law enforcement agencies prevent future attacks on our soil," he said. "It will also provide a process for individuals being investigated as known or suspected terrorists who attempt to buy a gun to be flagged, delayed, and – if the burden of proof is satisfied – denied their purchase."

Democrats say the gun bill is a bait-and-switch, meant to look as if Republicans are trying to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people when in reality it would intentionally set the bar too high to be effective.

Instead, they prefer simpler legislation that would simply bar gun sales to anyone on the watch lists – a plan Republicans and some civil liberties advocates say is an overreach, since the terrorism lists are secret and often include people in error. A compromise bill pending before the Senate would narrow the restricted list to just much smaller No Fly and Selective Screening lists.

 

[Stoic1]

They are called MAssholes for a reason.

 

[Gregolian]

I'm beginning to rethink being a fan of the Bruins.

 

[Madmick]

Someone start a v4.