That was unprofessional by the ref

[xhaydenx]

I think it would’ve been a dr stoppage between rounds because the dr has to be called in for an eye injury and the dr generally makes the call if the fighter says he can’t see from a poke

Yeh, that's how it works. None of that matters though if the fighter makes the call and says they can't continue. At that point, the only thing it can possibly be is a retirement.

They did get the doc in there at the end though. I'm not sure if he called it off or Henry did. Either way, that has to be ruled a finish for Song.

 

[xhaydenx]

Shertards at their best. A decision was the fairest way to conclude it

Not if Henry said he could continue, literally did continue, and then changed his mind and say he couldn't.

 

[Pierced7681]

Yeh, that's how it works. None of that matters though if the fighter makes the call and says they can't continue. At that point, the only thing it can possibly be is a retirement.

They did get the doc in there at the end though. I'm not sure if he called it off or Henry did. Either way, that has to be ruled a finish for Song.

Yea Henry wasn’t saying he couldn’t continue he just kept saying he couldn’t see, meaning he wanted either the dr or his corner to wave it off for him. Herzog definitely fucked up here imo, should have let the dr call it instead of making the call himself which was bizarre.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

I know this is correct, but I just think it’s bullshit. If I was winning a 5 round fight after 3 rounds but started to gas or was injured I can just kick my opponent in the dick or eye gauge him and just take a win on the cards lol.

When you put it that way, I agree lol

 

[Pierced7681]

When you put it that way, I agree lol

Petr Yan lost his title that way lol

 

[Bobby Boulders]

Petr Yan lost his title that way lol

That was blatant, hard to really be construed as accidental, so it played out correctly. The eye pokes tonight could be seen as accidental in the moment.

 

[nostradumbass]

So let's say if I am a fighter who won 3 outta 5 rounds, going into the 4th round I can just kick my opponents balls and eye poke him ala jon jones style till my opponent can't continue..

And i will win a technical decision?

 

[Pierced7681]

I’m still confused by the refs decision. Henry was unable to continue due to an illegal eye gouge and instead of a dq win or a nc, the ref forced it to go to scorecards? Are they saying that Song unintentionally poked him? Looked like a pretty blatant eye gouge to me. Should be no different than when Yan blasted Sterling with a knee to the head.

 

[Pierced7681]

That was blatant, hard to really be construed as accidental, so it played out correctly. The eye pokes tonight could be seen as accidental in the moment.

So every eye poke is deemed accidental, Yeah I get it now thanks

 

[Bobby Boulders]

I’m still confused by the refs decision. Henry was unable to continue due to an illegal eye gouge and instead of a dq win or a nc, the ref forced it to go to scorecards? Are they saying that Song unintentionally poked him? Looked like a pretty blatant eye gouge to me. Should be no different than when Yan blasted Sterling with a knee to the head.

Probably where it went wrong is that replay should have been reviewed, if it wasn't, and that they generally don't deduct points for eye pokes, anyway, even though they should. If the Yan fight had continued, he'd have most certainly been deducted a point, bc the foul was blatant. If Herzog had believed the foul was with purpose, the outcome tonight would have played out differently. The technical decisions come from fouls that are deemed accidental, but still leave a fighter unable to continue after the half way point of the third round. But if the foul was deemed egregious, it would have probably been a DQ loss for Song. The ref holds the keys, it ultimately boils down to what he sees in real time. But these are the situations that replay was supposed to prevent, so if he didn't look at it, yes, he fucked up.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

So every eye poke is deemed accidental, Yeah I get it now thanks

No need to be snarky, bud. You've watched enough fights to know they rarely deduct points off of eye pokes. Jon Jones made a career of it. I'm not vouching either way, just reporting the news

 

[Pierced7681]

Probably where it went wrong is that replay should have been reviewed, if it wasn't, and that they generally don't deduct points for eye pokes, anyway, even though they should. If the Yan fight had continued, he'd have most certainly been deducted a point, bc the foul was blatant. If Herzog had believed the foul was with purpose, the outcome tonight would have played out differently. The technical decisions come from fouls that are deemed accidental, but still leave a fighter unable to continue after the half way point of the third round. But if the foul was deemed egregious, it would have probably been a DQ loss for Song. The ref holds the keys, it ultimately boils down to what he sees in real time. But these are the situations that replay was supposed to prevent, so if he didn't look at it, yes, he fucked up.

Thanks for the breakdown. What happens if a dr waves it off inbetween rounds due to the damage from the illegal strike? If it was an unintentional eye poke and the dr said Henry couldn’t see that would be a nc wouldn’t it? Why didn’t Herzog allow the dr to stop it? Bizarre

 

[Bobby Boulders]

Thanks for the breakdown. What happens if a dr waves it off inbetween rounds due to the damage from the illegal strike? If it was an unintentional eye poke and the dr said Henry couldn’t see that would be a nc wouldn’t it? Why didn’t Herzog allow the dr to stop it? Bizarre

I'm not sure why Herzog didn't allow the doctor to end it, I'm not sure that it would have mattered. It would have still been past the half way point of the 3rd, so should have still played out the same way no matter if Herzog stopped it or the doctor. I can only deduce that it is such an uncommon occurrence that he thought it was the way to play it.

Everyone who wasn't fighting in the cage, but was a presence in the cage, seemed like they were under the influence tonight. Herzog, Peterson, Buffer...

 

[BullyKutta]

Not true, a fighter can refuse to come out like Max Rofskopf did without the corner stopping it

I trained with that guy once.

Creepy dude.

He spent half time time walking around the gym showing photos of himself doing a bench press. Total fucking weirdo. Wasn't surprised that he mentally crumbed.

 

[Pierced7681]

I'm not sure why Herzog didn't allow the doctor to end it, I'm not sure that it would have mattered. It would have still been past the half way point of the 3rd, so should have still played out the same way no matter if Herzog stopped it or the doctor. I can only deduce that it is such an uncommon occurrence that he thought it was the way to play it.

Everyone who wasn't fighting in the cage, but was a presence in the cage, seemed like they were under the influence tonight. Herzog, Peterson, Buffer...

I still can’t wrap my brain around what happened, just bizarre lol Song was winning so I don’t feel too bad about him getting the w, but damn what Herzog did just doesn’t sit right with me

 

[wufabufa]

He got busted with a shutload if weed plants, not ecstacy

Ecstacy pills?? I thought he was booked just for manufacturing weed

I thought he got caught for growing weed? a massive operation

My bad, you guys are right. I think Conan Silveira was the one who got busted with the ecstasy.

 

[DEV.Woulf]

What bothers me about the whole situation is Yadong got rewarded for his accidental eyepoke; Dana dislikes Cejudo and wants to move on so no rematch. Had it never happened the fight may have gone to the judges after 5 rounds. Apparently because it was past the halfway point when Henry was blinded it had to go the judges based just on the 3 rounds finished no matter what. Song won the 3 rounds and thus won the fight. Song gave Henry a horrible eyepoke, compromised the vision in his left eye, and robbed him of his chances in the last 2 rounds. Yes it was accidental but it still disrupted the fight.

What does Yadong get in punishment? A point reduced to level what happened? No, he gets a win in the halfway point. The eyepoke and groin kicks are UFC's version of a WWE chair shot. If the ref is in a good mood you can just cheat and potentially end the fight right there. The fight should have been ruled a no-contest or have rankings not change on that type of stoppage caused by a fowl. It isn't the same thing like a doctor stopping a bad cut because that's a TKO from bad defense. The way it is now it's unfair to the compromised fighter if it's past the halfway mark.

Everyone is saying all this crap about Cejudo but my views have nothing to do with him; it applies to every fighter and division in general. I like both Henry and Song and was enjoying the fight until the poke happened.

 

[Trabaho]

Do they got a earpiece like Pride where they are told instructions. What does Cheals bitch ass say about this.

 

[daydrinking]

So the rules are to completely ignore a fighter saying they're done?

If he says he's done, then he's TKOed. Simple as.

 

[evergreenrider]

I wish Josh Rosenthal didn't get caught with all of those Ecstasy pills. He was probably the most averagely consistent ref he had for a while.

Ecstasy? Pretty sure it was a large scale marijuana grow