Testing Is Useless In Powerlifting

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I have no doubt if dude really went RPE 10 or 11 on his 3rd attempts, he could have taken the untested total record.
 
It's way more telling in the capped classes where untested has the advantage of having 24+ hour weigh-ins opposed to 2 hours. On top of being untested, having 3 lift specific bars, ability to have heels and head up on bench...I'm sure I'm forgetting something.
 
Not sure what you are implying. Are you saying testing is worthless because you think most top lifters are on the juice? :eek:
 
Usada is knocking on dude’s doors at 4am to collect their piss, and has them logging their location in real time, and even then some find a way to juice. Any lesser protocol will be even more permissive, since almost no one has the budget or the practical ability to run that kind of super strict testing. I do think that the juicing average is lower in the tested federations. Not sure by how much, maybe not much. A few people do pop from time to time. Maybe it’s also because those federations happen to attract more natty types than because of the testing protocols themselves.
 
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ASUThermo said:
It's way more telling in the capped classes where untested has the advantage of having 24+ hour weigh-ins opposed to 2 hours. On top of being untested, having 3 lift specific bars, ability to have heels and head up on bench...I'm sure I'm forgetting something.
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Dude I don’t think I can bench with heels down. Time to get on the sauce.
 
Rouska having a better dots than Green and Oak at 100kg is extremely fishy...oh well, you should contact IPF/PMA, USAPL etc. and get them to improve the testing.
 
ASUThermo said:
Rouska having a better dots than Green and Oak at 100kg is extremely fishy...oh well, you should contact IPF/PMA, USAPL etc. and get them to improve the testing.
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Stringent testing would destroy the sport. Testing is just for optics at this point and if you’re dumb enough to fail a test you don’t deserve to compete
 
deadshot138 said:
Stringent testing would destroy the sport. Testing is just for optics at this point and if you’re dumb enough to fail a test you don’t deserve to compete
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Incorrect, it might damage a fed like PMA of Atwood pops, or USAPL if Rouska popped, but I'm sure those types of athletes are protected for the most part, the feds realize how important they are to gaining members. The sport would be fine, it'll never be a big thing, but it won't ever go away based on how simple it is to get involved. The sport is lucky to have two options, drug free and untested. Everyone untested should be on anything and everything they want, drug free should be, drug free.
 
deadshot138 said:
Dude I don’t think I can bench with heels down. Time to get on the sauce.
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Is there a significant advantage to benching with heels up? I've always benched with heels up because it felt better.
 
I was attending a lifting event back in the day. As soon as someone finished lifting, they were like "Ok, time to give a sample."

It was an on the spot, period, point-blank.
 
deadshot138 said:


I have no doubt if dude really went RPE 10 or 11 on his 3rd attempts, he could have taken the untested total record.
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If they aren't using a blood passport then the testing is just stupid and useless. It's an expensive process that takes years to develop and understand on each athlete but it works. It's just sad there are athletes who choose to compete in the clean leagues when they are on something. Lastly, there are things they can't really test for which make stupid big differences like injectable Carnitine/Arginine/forget the 3rd part. You can't test for the basic aminos and putting them together in an injection they make a stupid effective peptide.

ASUThermo said:
Rouska having a better dots than Green and Oak at 100kg is extremely fishy...oh well, you should contact IPF/PMA, USAPL etc. and get them to improve the testing.
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Blood passports are just too expensive for anyone without a multi-million dollar anti-doping budget (aka top 5 pro sports).

deadshot138 said:
Stringent testing would destroy the sport. Testing is just for optics at this point and if you’re dumb enough to fail a test you don’t deserve to compete
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This all day. They probably test for the obvious and easy to test for things and ignore the rest. Just don't use something that stays in your system for 18/24 months and you're good.
 
Rex the Alchemist said:
Is there a significant advantage to benching with heels up? I've always benched with heels up because it felt better.
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For some people, yes, they can get a better arch/leg drive that way. I've tried both, and prefer my comp. bench training to be heels down (went that way for my USPA meet in Oct.). I do close grip work with heels up, for some reason rep work on CG heels up feels better.
 
hardheart said:
This all day. They probably test for the obvious and easy to test for things and ignore the rest. Just don't use something that stays in your system for 18/24 months and you're good.
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Prior to the USAPL/IPF split there were 2 types of post meet urine tests administered by the USAPL. The local test is just for steroids, that would be your "probably ignore the rest" test. The more advanced test, done at Nationals and The Arnold covers dietetics, amphetamines and narcotics as well. Not sure how that or OMT testing will work after the split though, I assume the Pro Card lifters will have to register in some sort of testing pool similar to the national team members in the IPF days.

Better testing on the drug free side would not destroy the sport, it would make the drug free side more drug free. If anything it would make more guys like Jamal Browner head over to the untested side and absolutely destroy previous personal bests. If Jamal Browner did not fail a drug test, he might not have the massive deadlifts we see today.
 
Strychnine said:
I was attending a lifting event back in the day. As soon as someone finished lifting, they were like "Ok, time to give a sample."

It was an on the spot, period, point-blank.
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If you are picked for a drug test in USPA (tested) or USAPL, you are not supposed to be out of sight of the official that is administering the test and that decision is supposed to be made immediately after the final lift of the session.
 
hardheart said:
This all day. They probably test for the obvious and easy to test for things and ignore the rest. Just don't use something that stays in your system for 18/24 months and you're good.
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There are relatively low-effort ways to catch people.

As an example, people have been caught by this method: Show up, test an athlete. Athlete comes back clean. Athlete now thinks they're clear to start using banned substances, because surely they won't get tested again any time soon. Testers pull a sneaky and show up again a week later, athlete tests positive.
 
ASUThermo said:
Prior to the USAPL/IPF split there were 2 types of post meet urine tests administered by the USAPL. The local test is just for steroids, that would be your "probably ignore the rest" test. The more advanced test, done at Nationals and The Arnold covers dietetics, amphetamines and narcotics as well. Not sure how that or OMT testing will work after the split though, I assume the Pro Card lifters will have to register in some sort of testing pool similar to the national team members in the IPF days.

Better testing on the drug free side would not destroy the sport, it would make the drug free side more drug free. If anything it would make more guys like Jamal Browner head over to the untested side and absolutely destroy previous personal bests. If Jamal Browner did not fail a drug test, he might not have the massive deadlifts we see today.
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I'm not against testing and I hope my post didn't infer that I am. I'm saying short of the right types of testing, it's just pointless and a waste of money. You can beat a test for most substances with a $25 IV.

JimRussel said:
There are relatively low-effort ways to catch people.

As an example, people have been caught by this method: Show up, test an athlete. Athlete comes back clean. Athlete now thinks they're clear to start using banned substances, because surely they won't get tested again any time soon. Testers pull a sneaky and show up again a week later, athlete tests positive.
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Sure. As I stated above, I'm not against testing. This is one of the reasons you see some of the athletes in the UFC get tested 9x in 2 months. Pump fakes by the USADA.

Edit: I see where the confusion came in. I was referring to "this all day" in the sense of testing is for optics, not that it would destroy the sport. I'm not against testing and don't think it would destroy powerlifting. I think better testing would grow the sport, actually.
 
Tested doesnt mean shit and has never meant shit. Testing doesnt capture 99% of cheats. Hell most PEDs, like some drops are in and out in a few hours.
 
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