Teddy Atlas: "Taller guys have a disadvantage close range"

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Riddick Bowe was the best big man i've ever seen at it, trained for it by eddie futch who always assumed he'd meet Tyson.

Didn't Bowe have the same style as an amateur? Futch took over when he was a pro already.

I think Riddick did it to compensate for not having a straight right hand.

As far as Tyson goes, Bowe himself said that at close range Tyson would be at an advantage fighting out of a crouch.
Here's he talking about it: https://charlierose.com/videos/16108
 
absolutely not, futch went into detail in an interview in how he had to change his style from Ali's to his own, "you don't want to be a second rate ali, you want to be a first rate Riddick Bowe" he also mentioned that he couldn't see bowe, already 230, dancing at that weight over the course of a fight. Bowe was for a short time, fine fighter, still probably the most technically refined over 230 pounder I've ever seen. As far as tyson, he unravelled before the fight as we all know but the skills of that short uppercut and those short hooks were very effective against holyfield. Honestly, the arm length has little to do with it, if you learn to punch with your forearms and fists in real tight it doesn't matter how tall you are, it's just not a comfortable posture for a tall fighter because they have to bend down, open themselves up to punches they wouldn't take if they fought outside and it's giving away their advantages, i heard Paul Williams did that, not that I ever watched him. One other thing, infighting guarantees you will take punishment, that's why Ali developed his style to avoid it at all costs. Those short punches are harder to anticipate and even though they may not all be kayo punches, they add up.
I'd say it's not a myth, most taller fighters naturally want to use their jab and right hands from the outside where the other guy can't reach them, so it's not a myth, a tall guy can fight inside but why play the other guys game? The object is winning, not proving how tough you are.
Didn't Bowe have the same style as an amateur? Futch took over when he was a pro already.

I think Riddick did it to compensate for not having a straight right hand.

As far as Tyson goes, Bowe himself said that at close range Tyson would be at an advantage fighting out of a crouch.
Here's he talking about it: https://charlierose.com/videos/16108
 
i guess I should mention some of the times when I've seen where a tall guy just couldn't keep a shorter guy off of him, one of the most dramatic examples and one of the worst beatings I've ever seen was when a local fighter, Martin O'Malley fought Leo Dorin, they were lightweights, Dorin was a midget and O'malley was about 5-10 which is pretty tall for a lightweight. Marty was a fine boxer and an accomplished amateur as was Dorin but the pros were not kind to either. This was before they both had shot their loads though. Marty was doing all the right things, jabbing, throwing crosses but he just was not strong enough to knock Dorin back or make him want to avoid taking those shots, he ground O'Malley down by about the 9nth round. Dorin himself quit in a fight with Arturro Gatti. Those fights are great examples of how fighters can't make small jumps to more elite classes. Dorin was not even a puncher and he beat O'malley from pillar to post, Dorin couldn't compete with Gatti who was a good fighter but never a great one. Back to the point, the height and reach doesn't help if a person doesn't know how to use it and/or can't put enough hurt on a guy to make it useful. Those can be some pitiful sights, a boxer has to keep moving around to keep distance, has to fight at a faster pace than he wants to from the pressure and often just caves in spite of their efforts. That's what Ali was talking about when George foreman was cutting off the ring in 2 or 3 steps and Ali realized in the first round that he may as well just save him the trouble and fought off the ropes where his underrated strength and average power were enough to win.
 
Okay, let's simplify.

Your arms are a certain length. Longer arms are both longer from shoulder to elbow, and elbow to wrist. Taller guys can't change that. You can only bend at the joints.

Imagine your arms as extensions of yourself similar to melee weapons like a baseball bat. You step up to the plate ready for a pitch. You situate yourself so that in your stance, without leaning, you can touch the tip of the bat to the opposite side of the plate. Pretty standard range-check. Except, now, imagine this isn't an open-air environment. There is a concrete wall perpendicular to you cutting halfway through the plate; running in a straight line from mound to the catcher. It's as if you're in a tight tunnel, with your back up against one wall, but a tunnel that is so narrow you can't swing the bat naturally extending your arms without the bat coming into contact with the opposite wall well before you have generated maximum power, and the bat crosses the plate.

You have to choke up to swing through, or the bat's arc is cutoff by the opposite wall. Except you can't choke up any more than you can unhinge your shoulder from its socket (without dislocating it and injuring yourself).

Now, do you want a full-length bat to swing in that tunnel? Or do you think a shorter, fatter, but equally heavy bat would be a better tool to generate power in that environment?

This is a timeless truth. It's why the ancient Japanese crafted short swords intended for the niche of fighting indoors. Outdoors, the longer katana has superior range, and is therefore preferable. Range always wins given space. That's why we evolved archery, artillery, firearms, and ultimately ICBMs. I hit you. You can't hit me. No exchange is more desirable.

But when a short guy has closed the distance, and gotten inside, you don't have that space. You are fighting in a choke point. This is true with straight punches, too. The shorter man is able to fully express the proper punching technique, and achieve maximum velocity on his punches within a short distance. He isn't expected to hit as hard when the taller man is able to express his full range, since the taller man has more distance to create velocity, but even given equal distance in that box, angular momentum doesn't favor the taller man's longer limbs, nor his wider stance/shoulders.

When I say "angular momentum" I'm referring to our bodies, and the nature of our muscular strength. Think about it. Are you concentrically stronger when your knees are fully bent at a 90-degree angle in a squat, halfway bent at a 45-degree angle, or for the final 10 degrees when you stand up? Lifters exhibit different weak points across a complete lift, but generally speaking, we are all much stronger in that final 10 degrees than we are in the first 10 degrees transitioning out of the hole. The same is true for the bench press, and for our punches.

Make sense?
I must say I admire your patience and willingness to try that hard to explain something so obvious. Well done.
 
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