Teddy Atlas: "Taller guys have a disadvantage close range"

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eternaldarkness said:
You cleary know less about drugs that you do about boxing. Cocaine is both a pain killer and one of the strongest heart stimulants know to man.
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But it does not help your recovery against physical harm, which steroids dramatically do, even during a fight. It's not fair.
 
sepp2323 said:
Once again sherdog coming to the rescue to let us know the pro trainer is wrong. I hope if ESPN, RING MAGAZINE or any pro fighters wants to know the correct ways of fighting just come to sherdog where everyone is always right
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He is wrong on several levels. The taller guy is not somebody you want to fight close range, because you are going to get tagged going in, yet you can't stay on the outside, because you will get hit without hitting him. So while there is no other option, it really is the lesser evil.

Even worse, clinching up and dirty boxing is useless too. The taller guy is 99% stronger and can stall the shorter guy easily and make it a sleep pill of a fight, even if he's a much worse boxer.
 
spacetime said:
But it does not help your recovery against physical harm, which steroids dramatically do, even during a fight. It's not fair.
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It (cocaine) doesn't help your recovery but it does allow you to fight with half your face hanging off. Just ask new jack.
 
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spacetime said:
He is wrong on several levels. The taller guy is not somebody you want to fight close range, because you are going to get tagged going in, yet you can't stay on the outside, because you will get hit without hitting him. So while there is no other option, it really is the lesser evil.

Even worse, clinching up and dirty boxing is useless too. The taller guy is 99% stronger and can stall the shorter guy easily and make it a sleep pill of a fight, even if he's a much worse boxer.
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The taller guy is 99% stronger. How the fuck do you come up with this crap?
 
You get inside the effective range of punches and they stop being effective. Shorter guys can be problematic for the taller guy becuase:
A. The taller guy is typically more comfortable at range and the shorter is more comfortable at his range (which is closer). Comfort helps.
B. The shorter guy can get more extension on his punches at closer range.
C. The taller guy has more that the smaller guy can hit.
D. The Foreman example is one of those exception to the rule examples because he hurt people EVERYWHERE. Man, I love Foreman.

These are most of the reasons, but not all.
 
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spacetime said:
He is wrong on several levels. The taller guy is not somebody you want to fight close range, because you are going to get tagged going in, yet you can't stay on the outside, because you will get hit without hitting him. So while there is no other option, it really is the lesser evil.

Even worse, clinching up and dirty boxing is useless too. The taller guy is 99% stronger and can stall the shorter guy easily and make it a sleep pill of a fight, even if he's a much worse boxer.
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also please explain Frazier thrashing Ali.
 
deucesarewild said:
You get inside the effective range of punches and they stop being effective. Shorter guys can be problematic for the taller guy becuase:
A. The taller guy is typically more comfortable at range and the shorter is more comfortable at his range (which is closer). Comfort helps.
B. The shorter guy can get more extension on his punches at closer range.
C. The taller guy has more that the smaller guy can hit.
D. The Foreman example is one of those exception to the rule examples because he hurt people EVERYWHERE. Man, I love Foreman.

These are most of the reasons, but not all.
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I do find shorter swarmers trickier , but there is no way he is closing the gap without getting tagged endlessly on the way in, which favors me, the taller fighter. And I always have uppercuts in close range to rely on.
 
spacetime said:
I do find shorter swarmers trickier , but there is no way he is closing the gap without getting tagged endlessly on the way in, which favors me, the taller fighter. And I always have uppercuts in close range to rely on.
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The fight definitely starts on the taller guys turf, it's on him to keep the fight where he wants it.

One thing (among many) that I love about boxing are the endless ways two fighters can match up. I've seen good shorter fighters box on the outside with sharp feet a good jab, feints, and in and out movement. It's rare though.
 
spacetime said:
I do find shorter swarmers trickier , but there is no way he is closing the gap without getting tagged endlessly on the way in, which favors me, the taller fighter. And I always have uppercuts in close range to rely on.
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Still boxing or are you the expert after half a dozen boxercise classes.
 
spacetime said:
He did not trash Ali. They had the most brutal wars in boxing history. The only reason Frazier stood a chance is because Ali lacked a big punch like Foreman.
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Thrashed... and his fights against Ali ain't as brutal as Louis's and walcotts matches.
 
spacetime said:
He did not trash Ali. They had the most brutal wars in boxing history. The only reason Frazier stood a chance is because Ali lacked a big punch like Foreman.
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And the only reason Ali stood a chance against foreman was that he had slower hands and was an inferior infighter to Frazier. (Note not as effective in close as Frazier, any guesses on that one.)
 
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Stop watching the heavies, it's seems to be confusing you. I think your mistaking taller for bigger.
 
spacetime said:


This myth again perpetuated..

Tall and Rangie George Foreman was not at a disadvantage against swarmers/close range fighters like Frazier and Ron Lyle. He literally punched their heads of in those slugg fests.. He was NOT at a disadvantage despite his speed deficit. Did just fine, to put it mildly
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Haven't seen Foreman vs Frazier in a while, but if I remember correctly, Foreman was effective against Smokin' Joe because he wouldn't let Joe get into close range where Joe was obviously most dangerous
 
spacetime said:
How about answering a question for once? Do you think Tyson has a harder punch than even a circumvented swing by Wilder? Do you seriously believe that?
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Tyson did possess more power in close range than wilder. Wilders right cross is probably a harder punch than any of tysons however
 
i was gonna really read this thread, but it went full retard a few posts in so I'll just say generally, taller guys are at a disadvantage inside, some exceptions but usually it's the case.
 
Milton_Gracie said:
Haven't seen Foreman vs Frazier in a while, but if I remember correctly, Foreman was effective against Smokin' Joe because he wouldn't let Joe get into close range where Joe was obviously most dangerous
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if you watched it as many times as I have you'd see that george had a great strategy, he pushed, pulled, turned and made his own punching room and joe was too one dimensional to try to do anything else. He could use a boxing strategy at times and he did try in the rematch, for both fights joe was too far past his prime to have a serious shot. So, he played right into george's hands the first time, keep coming in and taking punches, getting pushed and pulled around when he got in his range. George was a lot smarter than he's remembered as at that time even. Remember, Ali said he was the best at cutting off the ring on him.
 
defjaam said:
Foreman wasn't beating Frazier up close. As a matter of fact Foreman was pushing Frazier back on his feels and off balance every time Frazier attempted to charge inside. Without that shoving Frazier could have won.

Lyle was the same height as Foreman.

With that being said, I generally don't agree with those unwritten rules. Like "Southpaw / orthodox needs lead foot dominance over the other", or "Southpaw / orthodox needs to circle towards a certain direction against orthodox / Southpaw",... and I don't agree that a taller man can't fight a shorter opponent up close. Tyson Fury has inside skills and its an advantage.
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Riddick Bowe was the best big man i've ever seen at it, trained for it by eddie futch who always assumed he'd meet Tyson.
 
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