Teddy Atlas: Floyd didn't carry Conor

[crodor3]

Your eyes deceive you. Just like so many others with some background.

As I've said, bias and our emotional reactions are what get us. Even when theres some knowledge there.

The dislike of Conor can be so strong that it overrides a great many faculties.

That being said, are we to believe that Floyd took 9 and a half whole rounds off, only to miraculously put his foot on the gas when Colin began to seriously gas out?

The first 8 rounds were competitive. The narrative that Floyd gave up the early rounds then dominated the rest of the fight actually isnt true.

There's a more logical conclusion than "Floyd carried him". He was old, he played it safe and dragged the fight into deeper waters. He utilized forward pressure as a means of keeping Conor constantly moving backwards and having to adjust his stance to throw an effective punch. This sort of constant movement, resetting and never really getting the chance to rest, settle and control your range will tire you out quicker.

Not only that but Conor's inside and middle striking range isn't great, which is a large reason he threw so many punches that just looked silly. All served a purpose of tiring Conor out, stifling his style, range and dragging the fight into deeper waters.

so basically my "dislike" of Connor supposedly led me to the wrong conclusion, but your like of Connor keeps you from being biased? Got it! I don't know what to tell you. If that fight seemed legit to you you clearly have an untrained eye for boxing and what it looks like. I never even said I dislike Connor. what I dislike are wolf tickets. you would probably carry the same argument if Tyson Fury fought Francis, and you would be wrong there also. The fight was the furthest thing from competitive. Floyd def did a good job to make that look legit, probably felt he had to. why kill the golden goose when you can make easy money beating up on MMA guys who have almost no pro boxing skill whatsoever. I think your faux intellect has got you convinced of something that didn't really happen (do you copy and paste this response) ??

 

[Ramon Antonio]

Floyd was on point with his defense the whole night my friend.

He was doing everything in his power to defend those shots from the beginning. He was still getting tagged. The jab In particular landed throughout the night to the point where even Sugar Ray Leonard stated, he was surprised Conor was so effective with his jab.

It's not as if he defended beautifully then a few seconds later got tagged and decided to go back to defend beautifully again. That's both testament to Conor's ability and also Floyd's age. First time that I can recall in a long time where his opponent actually had the reflex edge.

I dont care who it is. Floyd isn't someone to allow himself to get hit.

Conor was obviously not throwing with full power as a means of lasting to the later rounds. This was pretty obvious. From Floyd's perspective, you know there is a degree of power there and he can decide to burn a bit more energy on a punch at any time, that's not a risk you take.

Not at 40, not if you're Floyd and fighting someone with an unorthodox style. Doesnt matter If it's Conor.

Sometimes I wonder if you people know Floyd at all. The type of shit I hear suggested is just so far away from his character and style its absurd.

Floyd is a promotor too. He knows that if he would've KOd McGregor in the first round it would've been hard to sell his next fight if he wants one.

 

[crodor3]

Floyd is a promotor too. He knows that if he would've KOd McGregor in the first round it would've been hard to sell his next fight if he wants one.

right ..why kill the golden goose? he can call on any of these guys any time and make himself incredibly easy money --up until he is probably 60 years old lol!!!

 

[MescalineDreams]

so basically my "dislike" of Connor supposedly led me to the wrong conclusion, but your like of Connor keeps you from being biased? Got it! I don't know what to tell you. If that fight seemed legit to you you clearly have an untrained eye for boxing and what it looks like. I never even said I dislike Connor. what I dislike are wolf tickets. you would probably carry the same argument if Tyson Fury fought Francis, and you would be wrong there also. The fight was the furthest thing from competitive. Floyd def did a good job to make that look legit, probably felt he had to. why kill the golden goose when you can make easy money beating up on MMA guys who have almost no pro boxing skill whatsoever. I think your faux intellect has got you convinced of something that didn't really happen (do you copy and paste this response) ??

I trust my eyes just fine.

You also ignored the vast majority of what I said.

Whether you dislike him or not, confirmation bias and stubbornness remains a very real factor here.

MAJORITY feel the same way you do. Do you think there may be some truth in the minority, in those grey areas?

And that's why so many pro boxers, legends, analysts and trainers dont prescribe to common idea that Floyd carried him?

Do you really think Floyd just allowed for 8 competitive rounds and that Floyd of all people would allow himself to take any blows at all ?

Do you think MAYBE the fact that he was 40 and hadn't fought in 2 years had something to do with it?

They say you only know as much as your questions. Meanwhile many of you seem so certain and unwavering in your conviction.

 

[MescalineDreams]

Floyd is a promotor too. He knows that if he would've KOd McGregor in the first round it would've been hard to sell his next fight if he wants one.

Would've been risky if he attempted it as well. He was defending extraordinary well but was still getting tagged. Particularly when be started opening up. That's why you seen him in his shell for a certain period of time.

As always, Floyd plays it safe. You didnt see him really put his foot on the gas until Conor was truly gassed and then took him out.

At 40 years old and clearly a shell of yourself, being Floyd Mayweather of all people, you dont take risks. You fight smart, throw at the body, keep up the forward pressure and drag the fight into deeper waters where you can drown him.

Very logical and straight forward. Something which was obviously planned according to what you heard In his corner. Even Sugar Ray leonard suggested that's likely what his strategy was.

This isnt rocket science. People want to make up these fantastic narratives and do these absurd mental gymnastics but everyone fails to just use their head for a moment and think logically.

People just can't seem to wrap their head around the idea that Conor gave him any difficulty whatsoever. Regardless of who it comes from.

 

[n.diazismylife1999]

I love the "Floyd gave the people a show they paid for" excuses the most.

As if Floyd has EVER given a fuck about entertaining people in the ring. On the contrary. As if he'd start on his very last fight, when he has nothing to gain but everything to lose by "giving the people a show."

 

[crodor3]

I trust my eyes just fine.

You also ignored the vast majority of what I said.

Whether you dislike him or not, confirmation bias and stubbornness remains a very real factor here.

MAJORITY feel the same way you do. Do you think there may be some truth in the minority, in those grey areas?

And that's why so many pro boxers, legends, analysts and trainers dont prescribe to common idea that Floyd carried him?

Do you really think Floyd just allowed for 8 competitive rounds and that Floyd of all people would allow himself to take any blows at all ?

Do you think MAYBE the fact that he was 40 and hadn't fought in 2 years had something to do with it?

They say you only know as much as your questions. Meanwhile many of you seem so certain and unwavering in your conviction.

I am completely certain Floyd could have ended that fight much sooner than he did. If Teddy Atlas is saying otherwise that's on him. Teddy usually has ulterior motives when he says stuff like this anyway...

imo Connor looked stupid trying to box him. That is the test I use for my eyes. Some might call it "unorthodox" but that is the incorrect adjective. I would use untrained. Unorthodox will look different. Connor just did not have the experience needed to be able to fight effectively (a biased person for Connor calls that "unorthodox" -) That Connor knew enough basics to make a reasonable facsimile of a boxer actually surprised me...

Of course in certain instances there is truth in the minority. Just not in this case. Boxing in not something you can talk your way to greatness with. It really takes a lonnng time and thousands of hours to get even competent at it. I think its odd that you would think Connor has some preternatural ability to train for a few months and supposedly give literally probably one of the best defensive boxers EVER an issue is funny to me...………..

 

[crodor3]

I love the "Floyd gave the people a show they paid for" excuses the most.

As if Floyd has EVER given a fuck about entertaining people in the ring. On the contrary. As if he'd start on his very last fight, when he has nothing to gain but everything to lose by "giving the people a show."

let me explain...people paid out millions for this fight. they were completely duped ..Floyd goes in their and dismantles him in 2 rounds there will never be the appeal for the crossover fight again. In essence he kills the golden goose. You realize Floyd can call up Gaethje if he beats Khabib and make himself another 100 million for no work right? So based on that do you think Floyd might have some incentive to put on a show and convince all you mma purists that striking in mma is comparable to boxing? Floyd could do this until he is probably 55 years old and he will still dominate anyone the UFC can throw in there..

 

[Kanka]

@MescalineDreams

You look silly making a bunch of assumptions about the psychology of other people.

Regarding people making up fantastic narratives: just look at your own posts in this thread.

If we can not agree on Floyd not being concerned about Conor's punches, there is nothing else to discuss because that's what many of us saw and any crazy narrative on Sherdog won't change it.

 

[n.diazismylife1999]

let me explain...people paid out millions for this fight. they were completely duped ..Floyd goes in their and dismantles him in 2 rounds there will never be the appeal for the crossover fight again. In essence he kills the golden goose. You realize Floyd can call up Gaethje if he beats Khabib and make himself another 100 million for no work right? So based on that do you think Floyd might have some incentive to put on a show and convince all you mma purists that striking in mma is comparable to boxing? Floyd could do this until he is probably 55 years old and he will still dominate anyone the UFC can throw in there..

Floyd is not fighting another MMA fighter ever again.

 

[MescalineDreams]

I am completely certain Floyd could have ended that fight much sooner than he did. If Teddy Atlas is saying otherwise that's on him. Teddy usually has ulterior motives when he says stuff like this anyway...

imo Connor looked stupid trying to box him. That is the test I use for my eyes. Some might call it "unorthodox" but that is the incorrect adjective. I would use untrained. Unorthodox will look different. Connor just did not have the experience needed to be able to fight effectively (a biased person for Connor calls that "unorthodox" -) That Connor knew enough basics to make a reasonable facsimile of a boxer actually surprised me...

Of course in certain instances there is truth in the minority. Just not in this case. Boxing in not something you can talk your way to greatness with. It really takes a lonnng time and thousands of hours to get even competent at it. I think its odd that you would think Connor has some preternatural ability to train for a few months and supposedly give literally probably one of the best defensive boxers EVER an issue is funny to me...………..

Conor looked good when he was given space to work.

His jab was actually very good throughout the night. In general his technique was good when he was given space.

That's largely why Floyd was constantly moving forward. Not only was he making him move backwards throughout the fight, never being able to rest and always having to adjust, but he was taking away his most successful range.

On the inside and mid range, he simply isnt very good. Which is responsible for some of the silly punches and flawed technique.

When he got space, he looked quite good on the outside.

Conor had obviously trained boxing for much of his life. Some of his attributes like head movement, footwork, fighting off the back foot, hip and lower kinetic fluidity, distance control and management obviously carried over to pure boxing. Even reflexes are one of his strengths and its the first time Floyd actually didn't have that edge over one of his opponents.

He had a lot going for him and it was certainly cultivated over a longer period than a few months.

And brother, guess who is in the minority. The pros, boxing greats, analysts, trainers, all of whom gave him a great deal of respect for his performance.

There is truth in the minority and it's obviously truth you havent yet grasped.

 

[MescalineDreams]

@MescalineDreams

You look silly making a bunch of assumptions about the psychology of other people.

Regarding people making up fantastic narratives: just look at your own posts in this thread.

If we can not agree on Floyd not being concerned about Conor's punches, there is nothing else to discuss because that's what many of us saw and any crazy narrative on Sherdog won't change it.

Negative. I've been debating a pretty wide variety of people on topics from nutrition, veganism to science to mma and other sports.

I'm aware through a lot of experience that majority of people fall victim to this and it pollutes their ability to see things logically and rationally.

Not everyone, mind you. But a great many.

You want to suggest that Floyd didnt give a shit about getting hit and just allowed himself to get hit with punches in spite of defending beautifully for almost the entirety of the fight. He was not allowing himself to get hit with those jabs purposefully.


People can believe whatever that want but this is just delusional nonsense and tells me most of you dont even know Floyd's personality or style at all.

 

[crodor3]

Even reflexes are one of his strengths and its the first time Floyd actually didn't have that edge over one of his opponents.


LOL! Are you really saying Connor had better boxing reflexes than Floyd Mayweather!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok debate over. I can't go on lol!

 

[MescalineDreams]

I am completely certain Floyd could have ended that fight much sooner than he did. If Teddy Atlas is saying otherwise that's on him. Teddy usually has ulterior motives when he says stuff like this anyway...

imo Connor looked stupid trying to box him. That is the test I use for my eyes. Some might call it "unorthodox" but that is the incorrect adjective. I would use untrained. Unorthodox will look different. Connor just did not have the experience needed to be able to fight effectively (a biased person for Connor calls that "unorthodox" -) That Connor knew enough basics to make a reasonable facsimile of a boxer actually surprised me...

Of course in certain instances there is truth in the minority. Just not in this case. Boxing in not something you can talk your way to greatness with. It really takes a lonnng time and thousands of hours to get even competent at it. I think its odd that you would think Connor has some preternatural ability to train for a few months and supposedly give literally probably one of the best defensive boxers EVER an issue is funny to me...………..

Levels to this

 

[crodor3]

Floyd is not fighting another MMA fighter ever again.

based on what?

 

[MescalineDreams]

Even reflexes are one of his strengths and its the first time Floyd actually didn't have that edge over one of his opponents.


LOL! Are you really saying Connor had better boxing reflexes than Floyd Mayweather!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok debate over. I can't go on lol!

Reflexes in general.

Given the fact that Floyd was obviously a 40 year old man.

 

[quadrunner]

Of course he didn’t carry him, that’s just Conor haters making up false narratives. Even tho he lost he did MUCH better than expected, and they just couldn’t have that lol

To everyone saying how Floyd had little output in the early rounds, no shit... when he did throw in the first couple rounds conor was slipping his punches and connecting on counters.

Floyd is the safest boxer the sport has ever seen, even if conor had a very small chance to actually hurt him with one of those counters early, of COURSE Floyd would not take that risk.

Risk losing your undefeated record to an mma fighter making his debut because you got careless, or wait him out until he is tired before you actually commit to engaging?

OR

“carry” him and risk getting caught and lose your undefeated record because you thought u could toy with him.. which of those scenarios sounds more realistic to a guy who cares about his record as much as Floyd?

 

[crodor3]

Levels to this

yep. you obviously don't realize that. The difference between all time great and an amateur is so great that one would strongly discourage the amateur to set foot near a pro for fear that they would get themselves hurt or killed. Yet in this case the levels don't really exist because it's someone you look up to? weird man..

 

[TheMessiah]

But people will still try and talk down Conors performance. The Goat for a reason...

 

[crodor3]

Reflexes in general.

Given the fact that Floyd was obviously a 40 year old man.

he wasn't 90 years old ..Floys reflexes in a boxing ring will always be light years ahead of Connor...I have seen 70 year old retired boxers that an amateur would get killed by...