Tamper Tantrum (Mueller Thread v. 17)

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waiguoren said:
I think you are giving Trump too much credit here.


I don't agree with the Brooks's use of the term "random", but I thought his salient idea was solid: Trump's "campaign" was a disorganized mess stacked with shady characters out for self-enrichment. The idea that Trump was coordinating it all seems much less parsimonious than the idea that each actor was going his own way.
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"Coordinating it all" doesn't sound right (or simplest), I can agree with that. Just that he likely knows what his people were up to for the most part. For example, Kushner's not going to tell daddy the Russians are meeting him in Trump tower about some incriminating information on Hillary? Occam -on, dude.
 
sickc0d3r said:
Kushner's not going to tell daddy the Russians are meeting him in Trump tower about some incriminating information on Hillary? Occam -on, dude
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I agree on the narrow point of the Trump Tower meeting.

What other criminal or otherwise improper behavior do you suspect President Trump of having knowledge of?
 
SBJJ said:
I didn't say it was illegal. I said I believe the intelligence agencies likely broke laws

I'm biased?

ME: Believes Trump should be impeached if he knew Cohen was selling his name

YOU: Can't think of any instance the DOJ/FBI/CIA did anything wrong

Yet u call me biased? You are 100% biased. To the absolute extreme
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You implied it was illegal by saying the FBI can't send an informant to your house. I also believe you said it's entrapment to repeatedly ask someone to receive stolen emails. Not sure that was you or Bob.

Youre biased because you have a belief of illegal activity without proof.

Comey, Lynch, and McCabe all lied and should have been fired and charged. I don't like the FBI, stop making silly assumptions
 
sickc0d3r said:
Holy hell, Trumpbots think Occam's razor favors Trump?
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I'm not sure what rule of the internet it is, but invoking Occam's Razor is almost always done by complete idiots who don't know what they are talking about.
 
waiguoren said:
I agree on the narrow point of the Trump Tower meeting.

What other criminal or otherwise improper behavior do you suspect President Trump of having knowledge of?
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Hell I don't know. Manafort-Kremlin connection? Stormy hush money? Cohen shell company bingo? I can't keep up.
 
Fawlty said:
I'm not sure what rule of the internet it is, but invoking Occam's Razor is almost always done by complete idiots who don't know what they are talking about.
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Uh, sounds like you do know the rule of the internet.
 
Darkballs said:
And how is this relevant bob? Are you suggesting that all counts of perjury are actually trump cabinet members just misunderstanding what was being asked?
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Honest question, do you have ADD?

You cannot seem to go 2 posts without changing the topic. Address the Jeff Sessions video I posted.
 
bobgeese said:
Address the Jeff Sessions video I posted.
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Ok. I don't believe "I mis-remembered the three times I lied under oath about meeting Russian nationals" to be a good defense."

I await your rebuttal. Or in exchange of a rebuttal, I'll be happy to accept a half-assed explanation as to why you brought up Jeff Sessions in regards to a claim about other members of the trump campaign committing perjury.
 
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Darkballs said:
Well I already have bob. In response to your idiotic summary of perjury charges as "so he talked with a russian," I explained to you how lying under oath as still being illegal. You posted a youtube video with Franken questioning Sessions on how his sworn testimony was untruthful, and Sessions responding that he didn't remember his false statements.

What exactly do you want in response bob? I'll try to do my best to cover all bases: In response to Sessions forgetting on multiple occasions what caused him to commit perjury, I say he's full of shit.

Do you need a greater analysis of why I think Sessions is full of shit? May I ask why we are talking about Jeff Sessions when you were trying to talk about potential entrapment for crimes that only you are accusing the trump administration of?

By all means bob, what did you think your last youtube video showed?

Just to be clear, we were talking about the federal government potentially entrapping a guy for a crime that no state of federal agency had tried him with. Why the fuck are you posting a Sessions testimony video thats 8 months old bob.

You've got to be rips recovery account. No human being that's passed through the war room has been this dumb. And we had IDL.
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Holy shit, you really do have ADD.

I made a joke about him, then YOU BROUGHT UP PERJURY. That’s why we’re talking about it, because you brought it up.


Take your meds, then address what the setting was when the original question was asked, and then the context in which he thought he was answering.


Or, you know, drift off into 12 other subjects...
 
bobgeese said:
I made a joke about him, then YOU BROUGHT UP PERJURY. That’s why we’re talking about it, because you brought it up.


Take your meds, then address what the setting was when the original question was asked, and then the context in which he thought he was answering.


Or, you know, drift off into 12 other subjects...
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Ok. Sessions was asked whether or not he met with Russian intelligence officials. He lied on three separate occasions. You then posted a video of Franken asking why he lied and Sessions responding that "he misremembered."

Am I missing anything bob? Can you explain how this all relates to your potential entrapment claim bob? Or official investigation start dates bob? Just what the fuck do you think that video shows bob?
 
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Fawlty said:
I'm not sure what rule of the internet it is, but invoking Occam's Razor is almost always done by complete idiots who don't know what they are talking about.
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It can be thought of kind of like a soft pillow filled with goose feathers: it fits inside a pillow case, snugly, and it supports your head.
That's the simplest explanation.

It's most likely to be true.
 
Darkballs said:
Ok. I don't believe "I mis-remembered the three times I lied under oath about meeting Russian nationals" to be a good defense."

I await your rebuttal. Or in exchange of a rebuttal, I'll be happy to accept a half-assed explanation as to why you brought up Jeff Sessions in regards to a claim about other members of the trump campaign committing perjury.
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None of them can fill out a disclosure form about when they meet a Russian ambassador. Donald Trump himself lied, in fact drafted the lie on Air Force One about the Don Jr meeting in that office. It's like a pointillism painting where every dot creates a picture when you stand back and look at the whole.

What's astonishing is the ubiquity of the ties at every level of the Trump campaign-- Carter page, George Papadopoulos, former National Security adviser Michael Flynn, Jeff Sessions. Russia is not a natural business partner, it's not like France or Britain or Japan or China that have larger economies. Russia has an economy smaller than Italy's.
 
Darkballs said:
Ok. Sessions was asked whether or not he met with Russian intelligence officials. He lied on three separate occasions. You then posted a video of Franken asking why he lied and Sessions responding that "he misremembered."

Am I missing anything bob? Can you explain how this all relates to your potential entrapment claim bob? Or official investigation start dates bob? Just what the fuck do you think that video shows bob?
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Again, please stick to one subject. Otherwise you conflate everything together.


True or false, the news story which prompted the question broke in the middle of Sessions testimony?
 
waiguoren said:
I disagree. I liked David Brooks's line from his most recent column:

My instinct is that the Trump campaign never really colluded with the Russians because there never was an actual Trump campaign — at least not in any organized sense of that word. It was a bunch of relatives and hangers-on having random meetings with some vague hope of personal and professional enrichment.
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Could be true, although unlikely. Is not the leader of an organization responsible for the crimes of their subordinates, especially when there are this many?
 
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