Tamper Tantrum (Mueller Thread v. 17)

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waiguoren said:
Unless you're referring to rival companies cooperating in secret...collusion isn't illegal.
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Lol and there it is.

Which is why they keep talking about collusion.

Put the focus on that and divert it away from actual crimes lol

Your game is very transparent
 
Joe said:
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That made me laugh.
The sad part is Cohen’s 3rd clients fans, eat this shit up. Cohens 3rd client’s charity used widows of our dead soldiers and now Cohens 3rd client is acting like a traitor.
 
PolishHeadlock said:
We'll find our soon enough.

Why is Trump saying he's innocent from something that isn't a crime?
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Trump will not be indicted for any crimes related to Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Account bet?
 
waiguoren said:
Which crimes did Donald Trump commit related to Russian interference in the 2016 election?
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That's what we're going to find out. I imagine it will be coordinated material release, and providing information both ways via Cambridge Analytica.

So, disseminating and possessing stolen materials. Wire fraud for any money that changed hands in the endeavor. Illegal campaign contributions, etc.
 
waiguoren said:
Hold your horses. I didn't "object" to Wilson's tweet. I asked for evidence, and you supplied it. Thank you for that.
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Sure, but your entire rhetorical posture is in defense of Trump. So, of course it was an objection. Don't play dumb with me, bud.
 
HomerThompson said:
That's what we're going to find out. I imagine it will be coordinated material release, and providing information both ways via Cambridge Analytica.

So, disseminating and possessing stolen materials. Wire fraud for any money that changed hands in the endeavor. Illegal campaign contributions, etc.
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Looks like good material for a bet.
 
HomerThompson said:
Sure, but your entire rhetorical posture is in defense of Trump. So, of course it was an objection. Don't play dumb with me, bud.
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No, my "rhetorical posture" is to oppose the unfounded hysteria that has overtaken this thread.
 
waiguoren said:
Trump will not be indicted for any crimes related to Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Account bet?
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How broad is your definition of "related"? Because, legally, according to Mueller's mandate, it would be any crimes arising from the investigation. Are you willing to use that standard?
 
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PolishHeadlock said:
We'll find our soon enough.

Why is Trump saying he's innocent from something that isn't a crime?
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Because it's politically advantageous. Trump is playing the opposition very well.
 
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Bobby 3 Sticks said:
Jesus christ his shilling knows no bounds
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if anyone needs me I'll be hanging out with this guy in the comments section

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waiguoren said:
Which crimes did Donald Trump commit related to Russian interference in the 2016 election?
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So you also agree Russia interfered in the election?
If so why is Trump legitimizing Putin. The GOP I grew up with would have considered that interference an act of war. Current GOP fawns over Putin after he shit on our elections.
It is getting easier and easier to spot the traitors.
 
waiguoren said:
My main point is that anti-Trump partisans are willfully combining two distinct and unrelated sets of e-mails to serve their political ends.
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Horseshit. That's exactly what you are doing with this idiotic distinction about which emails were hacked and when, as if it makes the first fucking bit of difference. Although, you have come around to admitting that trump's requesting russian assistance, probably prompted russian assistance (although, oddly, you claim that this somehow isn't support for this practice by trump), so props for that I guess.

The point was that after trump's remarks, russians hacked sites for the first time. The fact that they had previously hacked other sites, changes nothing.

What you're trying to do, and it's rather obvious, is to move the ball away from any appearance of complicity by trump. The sane can no longer deny that the russian state tried to interfere with our election. The best you've got now is to try and distance trump from it. And that's kinda hard when he's on tape at a fucking campaign rally begging for them to release dirt on his opponent.

Your theory is all over the place. Somehow Trump was mentioning a previous hack, so this next hack isn't on him, despite you admitting that his calling for it likely caused it to happen, so he's not responsible? I have no idea what point you think you're making here. It seems like the only thing you can stick to is that the article didn't specify that this was the first time russia hacked these particular servers. Which, like countless posters have pointed out to you, makes no fucking difference. It's a useless distinction. No one has thought that this was the first time russians hacked American servers. So there is no need for us or the article to specify that this was the first time the russians hacked this particular site/server. You're throwing a fit that no one is making this distinction, and we are all trying to rationally explain to you how it doesn't mean shit.

Bottom line, the president called for russian interference and got it. That should concern any honest American.
 
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waiguoren said:
Trump will not be indicted for any crimes related to Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election.

Account bet?
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Fuck it why not

We have to set up terms because this could be a very long term bet. If the DOJ sticks with the idea of impeachment must come before indictment, he could be indicted after his presidency. Pence could pardon before he is indicted... etc...
 
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