Syrian Rebels give up Homs

[lfd0311]

I do? How so I have always quoted your full post. Well I cannot seem to see any proof of your accusations towards me - taken out of context or not

And drew the poorest possible conclusions you could have from what I said. See below for the best example possible

So you say that the Bush administration was 'tricked' by the CIA?

Jesus Christ. NO! How many times do I have to say that? pre invasion Tenet said that the info the had was "a slam dunk". After it came out that it was incorrect and the administration began blaming the CIA, THEN Tenet said that he was misquoted, and that the Administration intentionally ignored intelligence that went away from what they wanted. As I said, it turned into a big poo flinging contest, trying to deflect from themselves. You know, for someone who is trying to paint me as a conspiracy theorist, you sure do seem preoccupied with Conspiracy Theories...

Interesting fact did you know that the German Nachrichtendienst warned the US administration that their sources informations where most likely not true. This was well b4 Powell spoke in front of the UN

LOL, sure they did. Their the ones who brought the intelligence to light in the first place. What's that you said about conspiracy theories agian? You're really starting to project your delusions on to me

 

[RIPWarrior]

This has to be the most intense battlefield.

It's going to take awhile to rebuild Homs and the rest of Syria

 

[tkotom]

No. Or at least not as a political entity. The biggest difference however is that the Kurds are a large number of ppl living in a pretty homogenous area.

Not sure what you're NOing about but you're not going to make any point to counter that. I have history and fact on my side.

Who cares if they have large numbers. They have large numbers because they like to breed and because them and their allies committed genocide on the original inhabitants of the area and continue to murder and treat them like subhuman even until this day.

Get with reality.

 

[RIPWarrior]

How did Assad manage to kick butt over the past year?

These men are fighting for their lives and know their families will be exterminated if they lose. They also have support from Russia, Iran, hezbolla, and Shias in Iraq.

Syrian Arab Army in Homs

 

[RIPWarrior]

The Syrian rebellion was hijacked by Islamist jihadi's, there is your defeat right there. The only backers these savages have is the bipolar Saudi Kingdom which has meant the conflict is now about regional supremacy (Iran vs Saudi) not Syria.


Anyway, well done Assad.

I thought those islamists were the best fighters since they use dirty tactics. Are there any FSA guys left?

 

[whougonnacall]

Im amazed the rebels in homs fought for so long starving and eating grass at times when the rest of the rebel movement largely abandoned them ages ago.

 

[Fronk]

I thought those islamists were the best fighters since they use dirty tactics. Are there any FSA guys left?

FSA is just a denomination for the rebel forces that are not part of the bigger groups in Syria like the Islamic Front, Al-Nusra, ISIS etc. Several attempts at creating an actual structure and chain of command on the rebel side has failed.

But even then are there any significant secular pro-western groups actually doing the fighting on the ground(not puppets in Turkey that are basically rejected by the real rebels)? I'd say no. It doesn't exist. Are there islamist groups that are not fanatical beheaders the west is working with? Yes there are.

But the rebel side outside of the bigger groups is just a big mess and all the different warlords are making big bucks by keeping the war going. The US stepping up in aid for different rebel groups lately seems to be for fighting ISIS(the fanatics of fanatics) and not the goverment.

 

[Fronk]

Im amazed the rebels in homs fought for so long starving and eating grass at times when the rest of the rebel movement largely abandoned them ages ago.

Abandoned them or just unable to do anything? Rebels never had a strong presence in the Homs province, especially not after Al-Qusayr, the lifeline for Lebanon resupplies, fell.

 

[tkotom]

Im amazed the rebels in homs fought for so long starving and eating grass at times when the rest of the rebel movement largely abandoned them ages ago.

Well, it was confirmed that they ate a lion in Damascus because they were starving. They've also cannibalized several soldiers that they've killed.
They have also barbecued the heads and bodies of other dead people.

Not really that amazing if you look at the vast array of food sources at their disposal.

 

[KOQ24]

heres a short doc on a rebel group that receives us weapons aid vs ISIS

[YT]dsnchH73J2o[/YT]

 

[whougonnacall]

Abandoned them or just unable to do anything? Rebels never had a strong presence in the Homs province, especially not after Al-Qusayr, the lifeline for Lebanon resupplies, fell.

there doesnt seem to ever have been any kind of push to free it or even any shaping operations to prep for that, simply some patronising moral support to hold on and fight the good fight

 

[Groundmaster]

Not sure what you're NOing about

Assyrians having the same historical significance as Babylonians.

but you're not going to make any point to counter that. I have history and fact on my side.

No you have not.

Who cares if they have large numbers.

To make the formation of an autonomical political unity possible you have to have a certain amount of ppl.

They have large numbers because they like to breed and because them and their allies committed genocide on the original inhabitants of the area and continue to murder and treat them like subhuman even until this day.

And how does this matter? Historically nation building has had a lot to do with these things.

Get with reality.

YOU get with reality.

 

[tkotom]

Assyrians having the same historical significance as Babylonians.

You're right, they're one of the best things to happen to the world and the best thing that ever happened to the Middle East along with modern day Israel.

To make the formation of an autonomical political unity possible you have to have a certain amount of ppl.

This proves to be troublesome when Kurds, Turks and other nomadic, barbarous, genocidal hordes have actively tried to extinguish your very existence even until today. This is a really, horrible and ignorant point.

YOU get with reality.

Oh, well.. I'm sold.

 

[Groundmaster]

and the best thing that ever happened to the Middle East along with modern day Israel.

Ok, there is no point in arguing with you about anything concerning the middle east as long as you believe this crap

 

[lapollarecords]

I hope Al Assad wins. depite all its flaws, arab socialism>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>islamic fundamentalism. Saddam was also better than the shithole Iraq is going to become right after NATO forces leave.

 

[tkotom]

Ok, there is no point in arguing with you about anything concerning the middle east as long as you believe this crap

Eh, you copped out.
I don't agree with Israeli politics but you cannot deny that modern day Israel is advanced and Jordan and Saudi Arabia are backwards shitholes.

 

[Marsupial]

Well done to Assad's forces.

Assad's forces are largely shit, unless it comes easy stuff like civilian massacres, dropping chlorine bombs on civilians, etc.

It's really Qassem Suleimani, the real guy running the war for the Syrian regime, and his Iranian forces you should be extending your congratulations to.

 

[KOQ24]

Assad's forces are largely shit, unless it comes easy stuff like civilian massacres, dropping chlorine bombs on civilians, etc.

It's really Qassem Suleimani, the real guy running the war for the Syrian regime, and his Iranian forces you should be extending your congratulations to.

iranian military involvement was miniscule at best.
hezbollah has really kicked ass though,probably the most well-trained and combat ready force in the region aside from israel

 

[Fronk]

Assad's forces are largely shit, unless it comes easy stuff like civilian massacres, dropping chlorine bombs on civilians, etc.

It's really Qassem Suleimani, the real guy running the war for the Syrian regime, and his Iranian forces you should be extending your congratulations to.

Yes and the rebels are also shit except when it comes to showering civilian neighbourhoods with mortars, blowing themselves up in crowded areas, targeting schools with "hell cannons",beheading "non-believers" etc.

Iranian intelligence has certainly helped turning the war around but well-trained parts of the Syrian army has been the ones carrying their plans out, spearheaded by elite hesbollah forces (Qusayr, Qalamoun). To think Iran has any significant fighting force in Syria is about as believable as the US marines being behind rebel advances.

 

[Marsupial]

iranian military involvement was miniscule at best.
hezbollah has really kicked ass though,probably the most well-trained and combat ready force in the region aside from israel

Hezbollah is a wholly-owned subsidiary of the IRGC. Hezbollah = Iranian forces.

Qassem Suleimani, the head of Iran's Qods Force, is in Damascus running the entire war for the Syrian government (essentially for the Islamic Republic of Iran) heading the command of not only the Syrian forces, but also Hezbollah, IRGC/Qods Force operatives, Iranian Basij militia volunteers and trained militias of Shia volunteers from Iraq which Suleimani mobilized and brought to Syria.

Syrian regime victories in the conflict are essentially the result of massive Iranian intervention. Assad, a British trained opthamologist who inherited his dad's dictatorship, wouldn't have lasted half as long as he has without Iran (and Russia).