Social Sweden. Update: Came in Ferrari - applied for social benefits

[Wingslaught]

If the point was to not think then the political landscape would be stagnant, which it certainly has not been for a pretty long time now. That then ends up as an explanation for something you don't like without an anchor in reality. Unless you meant agency as in taking the law into your own hands, which is illegal in all the developed nations.

A reason why the state is very important in Sweden was due to the conscious choice of striving for freedom from family and the church. The philosophy that the Swedish system was based on was that you had the trinity of state, church and family, all which are controlling parts of your life and you cannot get rid of them all and have a structured society. The choice went on making the state take care of most things in society so you'd be more free from your family and church to control what you do in life. Sweden is very far in the development of individual freedom as the individual is strongly valued compared to family ties, and the church has very little influence. Whether that's desirable is of course up to each person to decide.

What a god-awful idea, no disrespect. Freedom from family??!! I assume you're referring mostly to women's freedom to go to school and work instead of being tied to their children in the home, but what a god-awful thing to hold in high esteem. I'm dumbfounded, honestly. To sacrifice a stable, happy home life to spend 5 of 8 hours a day working for free (58% tax rate) is a ridiculous trade-off, imo.

Healthy, functional families are absolutely essential to a person's mental and emotional development and well-being, so it sounds completely absurd on its face, in my view, to act as if they're an oppressive entity of some kind. This kind of thinking explains a lot about what's wrong with the world today, imo.

 

[Blood and Thunder]

What a god-awful idea, no disrespect. Freedom from family??!! I assume you're referring mostly to women's freedom to go to school and work instead of being tied to their children in the home, but what a god-awful thing to hold in high esteem. I'm dumbfounded, honestly. To sacrifice a stable, happy home life to spend 5 of 8 hours a day working for free (58% tax rate) is a ridiculous trade-off, imo.

Healthy, functional families are absolutely essential to a person's mental and emotional development and well-being, so it sounds completely absurd on its face, in my view, to act as if they're an oppressive entity of some kind. This kind of thinking explains a lot about what's wrong with the world today, imo.

Some of the stuff that comes from the left is so fucked up that it's hard to believe this is actually happening. What a nightmare they're creating.

 

[Squarechoke]

Aren't you a good polite swedish boy

It's nice that you are still so in praise of your country, so loyal to the State propaganda - i can see the merit in that.

I would say i'm quite familiar with sweden, even though i'm not a swede. I'm Danish and have spent a lot of time in Sweden, Malmö particularly, and old enough to have seen it change over the past 40+ years, exponentially faster, and for the worse.

You - Sweden - are roughly 10 years behind us (DK), in terms of even having an somewhat honest political debate about what to do with the absolute disaster that is unchecked immigration (have you found your missing 14.000+ muslim illegals yet?) and you are in for an even worse reckoning.

What do you think your country would currently look like if it were not for police presence?
How do you think ME, African and Balkan thugs would behave and treat your citizens and country, if it were not for police presence?
Why is your police currently overworked and why do you need so many many more police officers urgently to deal with "situations"?
How do you feel about the fact that your ideals are so utopian that they can only be enforced by having a de facto police state and a compliant newspeak-media that butters up the truth or outright lie to you all the time about crime, and the true cost of crime, in your country?

If you had followed my posts you would have seen that I've been consistently critical of Sweden's immigration and integration policies, and I have in this very thread spoken about how political parties avoided rational debate on immigration due to trying to distance themselves from SD, so yet again you're speaking out of ignorance. The kind of thing you often hear from people with a very black and white view of things, where everything is either great or terrible, while I subscribe to the idea of using nuance and looking at facts. It is also not lost on me that you've clearly abandoned plenty of your previous rhetoric this time around. I wonder why.

What the country would look like without police presence is an absurd question. Any civilized country would be fundamentally different without that and would require some really lengthy and speculative analysis. That you think it to be relevant here is odd, to say the least.

If you're trying to insinuate that I don't think there's a crime problem with immigrants you're again grossly ignorant of things even stated in this thread.

It would appear that you're either incapable or uninterested in honest and logical debate, so unless you're willing to change on that regard I don't think we'll get much further.

 

[Squarechoke]

What a god-awful idea, no disrespect. Freedom from family??!! I assume you're referring mostly to women's freedom to go to school and work instead of being tied to their children in the home, but what a god-awful thing to hold in high esteem. I'm dumbfounded, honestly. To sacrifice a stable, happy home life to spend 5 of 8 hours a day working for free (58% tax rate) is a ridiculous trade-off, imo.

Healthy, functional families are absolutely essential to a person's mental and emotional development and well-being, so it sounds completely absurd on its face, in my view, to act as if they're an oppressive entity of some kind. This kind of thinking explains a lot about what's wrong with the world today, imo.

Your assumption is not correct, which I thought would be self-evident. Dependencies go much further than that, both in needs and duties. The opposite side would be how it is in very poor countries, where you need to depend on your family (and often not just your closest family) to get by, and they depend on you. For example, you'll have to support your elderly yourself because no one else does it. They don't have the systems where the elderly have pensions, children get financial support and schooling, etc, etc, from the state. Being born into those dependencies naturally inhibit your ability to choose what to do with your life. This is all very superficial and brief, of course.

But to comment on your particular example, it's obviously not a choice between being forced to stay at home and being forced to work. The situation I'm talking about allows for the choice of both. If you want to stay at home there's nothing preventing you to do that, as long as you have a partner that's fine with supporting you. If you want to work you can do that, as long as you find a job. It's the situation that all developed nations have, but apparently this is both new and shocking to you so I guess you might live somewhere else. I'm rather surprised that someone would think that there aren't any functional families in the developed world.

 

[Bald1]

.... (have you found your missing 14.000+ muslim illegals yet?) ...

In a country of around 10 million people and only a few concentration of population centers this is a disturbing number. Then again, they could be anywhere in the EU, as could the 600 000 who are MIA in Germany.

This is why borders need to be protected boys and girls - because unknown quantities of unknown qualities can't be allowed to roam free of verification.

 

[tonysmasseuse]

In a country of around 10 million people and only a few concentration of population centers this is a disturbing number. Then again, they could be anywhere in the EU, as could the 600 000 who are MIA in Germany.

This is why borders need to be protected boys and girls - because unknown quantities of unknown qualities can't be allowed to roam free of verification.

Quite disturbing, yes.

How do they even survive, eat and have shelter, in a society where everyone (except unknown "refugees" hahaha) are so heavily scrutinised, identified, verified, chipped, indexed, stamped, filed and numbered...?
In a near-cashless society too (in Sweden at least, but DK too), where every little transaction is online and on record.

They must get a lot of help. And be in complete disregard of absolutely every law of the land, in one way or another.

 

[Cole train]

Quite disturbing, yes.

How do they even survive, eat and have shelter, in a society where everyone (except unknown "refugees" hahaha) are so heavily scrutinised, identified, verified, chipped, indexed, stamped, filed and numbered...?
In a near-cashless society too (in Sweden at least, but DK too), where every little transaction is online and on record.

They must get a lot of help. And be in complete disregard of absolutely every law of the land, in one way or another.

Those homeless refugees and maroccoan street kids got a mini society of their own (one criminal guy told me who was in sweden for a year)

 

[NoDak]

Malmø is not the greatest place imo. Prefer Copenhagen (which is not in Sweden, but in Denmark, yet very close) any day over Malmø, but I might be biased. I've been to Stockholm a few times though, which was nice. Maybe some Swedes in here can suggest some good cities?

I had a small handful of free hours to spend in Gothenburg; explored around the city center and Haga district, ate a Tunnsbrödsruller, saw some great Edvard Munch artwork. It was cool, nice city.

 

[sweede]

Aren't you a good polite swedish boy

It's nice that you are still so in praise of your country, so loyal to the State propaganda - i can see the merit in that.

I would say i'm quite familiar with sweden, even though i'm not a swede. I'm Danish and have spent a lot of time in Sweden, Malmö particularly, and old enough to have seen it change over the past 40+ years, exponentially faster, and for the worse.

You - Sweden - are roughly 10 years behind us (DK), in terms of even having an somewhat honest political debate about what to do with the absolute disaster that is unchecked immigration (have you found your missing 14.000+ muslim illegals yet?) and you are in for an even worse reckoning.

What do you think your country would currently look like if it were not for police presence?
How do you think ME, African and Balkan thugs would behave and treat your citizens and country, if it were not for police presence?
Why is your police currently overworked and why do you need so many many more police officers urgently to deal with "situations"?
How do you feel about the fact that your ideals are so utopian that they can only be enforced by having a de facto police state and a compliant newspeak-media that butters up the truth or outright lie to you all the time about crime, and the true cost of crime, in your country?

Du har ved et uheld blandet almindelig mælk med kold skål? Det er fantastisk, hvad du kan klage over din nabo. Ja, jeg er vant til Danmark med job og kæreste fra fortiden.

To begin with, what is it that makes you have such a hateful tone in your formulation? Us Swedes in this thread have clearly formed a common position on what we think of too much immigration. Then we have different ways of looking at the problem making it even more dynamic. My biggest concern is what to do with all low-skilled middle-aged new arrivals. A problem that will be greater with the
family gathering immigration that will extend a few years to come. A burden in my own opinion as most people will go on long-term social contributions.

What is your interaction with muslims?

 

[sweede]

Cuck.

Can you formulate yourself in addition to few words and short sentences?

It is ironic that all that you hate and who do not belong in your world and who do not contribute to your own goodness is something you do yourself in these forums.

Namely, you don't contribute anything at all. You're a parody.

 

[Blowing Dixie]

What exactly is the point of this thread?

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

If Sweden's so crowded I wonder where y'all rank in population density.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden

198th.

Basically it's NYC's population in three New York states.

The overcrowding must be unbearable.

It's mostly ice though and few habitable spots.

What exactly is the point of this thread?

Seeing Danes arguing with Swedes.

Aren't you a good polite swedish boy


I would say i'm quite familiar with sweden, even though i'm not a swede. I'm Danish and have spent a lot of time in Sweden, Malmö particularly, and old enough to have seen it change over the past 40+ years, exponentially faster, and for the worse.

 

[Factory]

If the point was to not think then the political landscape would be stagnant, which it certainly has not been for a pretty long time now. That then ends up as an explanation for something you don't like without an anchor in reality. Unless you meant agency as in taking the law into your own hands, which is illegal in all the developed nations.

A reason why the state is very important in Sweden was due to the conscious choice of striving for freedom from family and the church. The philosophy that the Swedish system was based on was that you had the trinity of state, church and family, all which are controlling parts of your life and you cannot get rid of them all and have a structured society. The choice went on making the state take care of most things in society so you'd be more free from your family and church to control what you do in life. Sweden is very far in the development of individual freedom as the individual is strongly valued compared to family ties, and the church has very little influence. Whether that's desirable is of course up to each person to decide.

Becoming more free of family? This sounds terrible.

The biggest misconception of this "swedish philosophy" is that you act like the state doesn't have an ideology or any interests to control your life. The contrary is the case. A society who thinks there is a need to replace parental education with state-indoctrination is unhealthy and doomed to fail.

More government, more indoctrination by the state, more state controlled media, more taxes... this doesn't sound like individual freedom to me. The freedom you described is systematic and does support only people who share the current opinion and policy of state and government.

As far as I am concerned the duty of every common sense democrat should be to doubt the government. I don't understand this level of ignorance and naivety.

 

[Blowing Dixie]

Seeing Danes arguing with Swedes.

 

[Cole train]

To cause infighting between scandinavians to make them more easily conquered by finns

 

[Sano]

Becoming more free of family? This sounds terrible.

The biggest misconception of this "swedish philosophy" is that you act like the state doesn't have an ideology or any interests to control your life. The contrary is the case. A society who thinks there is a need to replace parental education with state-indoctrination is unhealthy and doomed to fail.

More government, more indoctrination by the state, more state controlled media, more taxes... this doesn't sound like individual freedom to me. The freedom you described is systematic and does support only people who share the current opinion and policy of state and government.

As far as I am concerned the duty of every common sense democrat should be to doubt the government. I don't understand this level of ignorance and naivety.

He's already addressed the false equivelancy. Proof is in the pudding, wouldnt you say? If you want to quantify a healthy society, Sweden outscores most other countries in the world. All the way from economic freedom and business to education and quality of life.

 

[NoDak]

Becoming more free of family? This sounds terrible.

Eh, depends on the context of what that means. More people do literally live alone in Sweden than virtually any other country in the world though - ensam är stark and all that.

 

[Sano]

To cause infighting between scandinavians to make them more easily conquered by finns

Finns are like the retarded cousins of Scandinavia.

 

[Cole train]

Finns are like the retarded cousins of Scandinavia.

dont worry legoland will be ours in time

 

[tonysmasseuse]

Du har ved et uheld blandet almindelig mælk med kold skål? Det er fantastisk, hvad du kan klage over din nabo. Ja, jeg er vant til Danmark med job og kæreste fra fortiden.

To begin with, what is it that makes you have such a hateful tone in your formulation? Us Swedes in this thread have clearly formed a common position on what we think of too much immigration. Then we have different ways of looking at the problem making it even more dynamic. My biggest concern is what to do with all low-skilled middle-aged new arrivals. A problem that will be greater with the
family gathering immigration that will extend a few years to come. A burden in my own opinion as most people will go on long-term social contributions.

What is your interaction with muslims?

Hateful?

I think you're possibly projecting, thus exposing your own defensive attitude even further.

I have nothing but good wishes for you guys and i'm rooting for you all the way.