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For the length of John McCain's lifespan at least, yes.

I’m 100% sure they controlled everything after he died. I am also 100% sure they didn’t introduce a comprehensive detailed plan after he died. I am also 99% sure that no comprehensive detailed plan exists. The Republicans really don’t want to fix healthcare. Politically, Obamacare is too useful a foil.
 
I’m 100% sure they controlled everything after he died. I am also 100% sure they didn’t introduce a comprehensive detailed plan after he died.

Republicans lost the house two months after McCain died. You can argue they could have shoved something through between December and January, but that's not very realistic.

I am also 99% sure that no comprehensive detailed plan exists. The Republicans really don’t want to fix healthcare. Politically, Obamacare is too useful a foil.

Dunno. Personally I think any sort of government option is DOA once the pre-existing conditions factor is added in. If republicans were smart they'd end the charade and kill off this dumbfuck socialist idea once and for all. Hopefully the new generation has some balls.
 
Republicans lost the house two months after McCain died. You can argue they could have shoved something through between December and January, but that's not very realistic.



Dunno. Personally I think any sort of government option is DOA once the pre-existing conditions factor is added in. If republicans were smart they'd end the charade and kill off this dumbfuck socialist idea once and for all. Hopefully the new generation has some balls.
Almost every person on medicare has a pre-existing condition and medicare works just fine.

Your argument hold no water.
 
Almost every person on medicare has a pre-existing condition and medicare works just fine.

Your argument hold no water.

Medicare is prepaid by the individual for decades, and the system still loses billions each year. It does not "work just fine" and I really wish bernie bros would stop coming into these threads claiming it does.
 
Medicare is prepaid by the individual for decades, and the system still loses billions each year. It does not "work just fine" and I really wish bernie bros would stop coming into these threads claiming it does.
I wish ignorant clowns like you would stop with this nonsense narrative. M4A would cost the taxpayer less than what we pay now.

The system we have now leaves 30 million with no healthcare. So m4a may not be perfect, but at least 10% of the population isn't left with no health coverage in the richest country to ever exist.

Did you even understand the point of the OP? The government is going to give a middle man billions when the government could have paid the hospitals and doctors directly and saved money.
 
I wish ignorant clowns like you would stop with this nonsense narrative. M4A would cost the taxpayer less than what we pay now.

The system we have now leaves 30 million with no healthcare. So m4a may not be perfect, but at least 10% of the population isn't left with no health coverage in the richest country to ever exist.

Did you even understand the point of the OP? The government is going to give a middle man billions when the government could have paid the hospitals and doctors directly and saved money.

You should ask Obama and the democrats why they did that then.

And you're straight up lying about medicare for all. Your talking points about muh richest country with no healthcare for junkies isn't my problem. I disproved it already when I posted the medicare losses above. Not worth engaging the dishonest.
 
You should ask Obama and the democrats why they did that then.

And you're straight up lying about medicare for all. Your talking points about muh richest country with no healthcare for junkies isn't my problem. I disproved it already when I posted the medicare losses above. Not worth engaging the dishonest.
Obama did it because he is a corporate shill. He had a super majority in Congress and he fought for ACA. I bet you thought I would make some stupid ass party line. You are wrong. They are all bought and sold. I thought that was clear.

30 million Americans are junkies who just spend money on drugs instead of health insurance? Look stop saying stupid shit.

It is a fact that m4a would cost less. You should do just the slightest bit of research before you spew nonsense.

M4A would cost less than the current system. All you proved is that you think something is true therefore you make every excuse to try to make it so, but it's the opposite.

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Obama did it because he is a corporate shill. He had a super majority in Congress and he fought for ACA. I bet you thought I would make some stupid ass party line. You are wrong. They are all bought and sold. I thought that was clear.

30 million Americans are junkies who just spend money on drugs instead of health insurance? Look stop saying stupid shit.

It is a fact that m4a would cost less. You should do just the slightest bit of research before you spew nonsense.

M4A would cost less than the current system. All you proved is that you think something is true therefore you make every excuse to try to make it so, but it's the opposite.

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It's literally losing money now. https://www.thinkadvisor.com/2020/04/23/medicare-posts-5-8-billion-loss/

Your motherjones infographics do not change that.
 
The current system costs 49 trillion over 10 years and m4a costs 33 trillion over 10 years.

Explain that and stop being so predictable.

You want me to explain to you why expanding a program that is already losing money will lose more money? <{clintugh}>

No. No I don't think I will.
 
You want me to explain to you why expanding a program that is already losing money will lose more money? <{clintugh}>

No. No I don't think I will.
Explain how 49 is less than 33.

But you won't because you are a willfully ignorant piece of shit.
 
Explain how 49 is less than 33.

But you won't because you are a willfully ignorant piece of shit.

49 is less than 33 when dumb kids like you believe bullshit artists like Bernie Sanders because they're retards.

Get some real stats and try again, moron.
 
49 is less than 33 when dumb kids like you believe bullshit artists like Bernie Sanders because they're retards.

Get some real stats and try again, moron.

This needs to go into a year end poll for WTF?...............
 
And the government of course is well known for obtaining and spending their money with only the utmost efficiency, rofl.
Sure, let's go ahead and compare the efficiency of the government, Medicare, with the efficiency of private insurers.

The biggest contribution of the health insurance industry in America is putting out a bunch of scare material about single payer systems. An industry full of companies where the more people need to deal with them, the more they hate their providers.

Oh it just HAPPENED to be the medicare criteria, even though the cost for a solid private provider could easily be less in thousands of cases. You can keep restating the same point all day, it won't change the fact that medicare criteria is being used to criticize admin costs for private companies.
I don't think there is a way that I can explain how these studies are coded in a way that you can actually understand. But I'm going to try, yet again, to dumb things down for you.

The entire concept here is that the same work is counted the same way. So if a doctor spends three hours trying to pull your head out of your ass, then that's three hours of clinical work. If that same doctor has to call up a provider line to figure out the billing codes for that procedure, it's administrative cost. Whether the system involved is Medicare or private insurance, the work and cost should be accounted for in a similar way.
More single payer propaganda bs. Your health system tracker "results" are a bunch of blather about access and affordability, with a bunch of unrelated nonsense like teen pregnancy rates thrown in to fudge the issue.
Moron, these are all health outcomes. If people who don't have insurance because the system is broken die as a result, that's not a good thing. If teens get pregnant because they can't get contraceptive services, that's not a good thing. You can't just put an asterisk at the end and say " *except for people who are poor or sick or live in places where religion is more important than reproductive health."

I'm talking about quality of actual care, and the article you mentioned doesn't refute the actual numbers of what I said (also I find it hilarious that you call it a tabloid article and then go on to link another article refuting the actual study I was talking about.
If it's a tabloid, why did they bother refuting it?). Your article says that the same hospital performed an additional study with "experienced doctors" (doesn't say how many) who judged that the deaths I cited were mostly unavoidable. Gosh, I wonder if they had a conflict of interest in being honest about the nature of those deaths?
The site you posted is just a shitty lead generation site for health care sales. It's somebody who copied articles from tabloid newspapers about a dude trying to sell his approach to measuring hospital mortality. And his own hospital did a huge study that refuted his own work. Do you really think that this is a credible source? More credible than WHO and OECD data?
Oh NICE!!! I was hoping I'd catch you on that one. Everybody, look here ^^^^ This is how you recognize when you're arguing with a commie bot.
Lol, a low budget insurance salesman starts talking shit after getting his shit pushed in repeatedly.
Well the other part is to promote a communist agenda soooo....yeah.
It's a communist agenda to not have people die from preventable health conditions? You Trump try-hards will literally try to politicize anything.
And yet here you are.
Literally wasting my time, apparently. You can't even understand basic counting.
 
Sure, let's go ahead and compare the efficiency of the government, Medicare, with the efficiency of private insurers.

The biggest contribution of the health insurance industry in America is putting out a bunch of scare material about single payer systems. An industry full of companies where the more people need to deal with them, the more they hate their providers.

He steps up to the plate again, swing and a miss.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245195/americans-rate-healthcare-quite-positively.aspx

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I don't think there is a way that I can explain how these studies are coded in a way that you can actually understand. But I'm going to try, yet again, to dumb things down for you.

The entire concept here is that the same work is counted the same way. So if a doctor spends three hours trying to pull your head out of your ass, then that's three hours of clinical work. If that same doctor has to call up a provider line to figure out the billing codes for that procedure, it's administrative cost. Whether the system involved is Medicare or private insurance, the work and cost should be accounted for in a similar way.

No. They. Shouldn't. They are not the same cost. They are not the same process. You are literally lumping these two things together, then using the result of putting those things together to criticize one thing.

Moron, these are all health outcomes. If people who don't have insurance because the system is broken die as a result, that's not a good thing. If teens get pregnant because they can't get contraceptive services, that's not a good thing. You can't just put an asterisk at the end and say " *except for people who are poor or sick or live in places where religion is more important than reproductive health."

Translation: "I'm a retard who only gets sources from left wing propaganda sites and I'm mad you saw through my bullshit."

The site you posted is just a shitty lead generation site for health care sales. It's somebody who copied articles from tabloid newspapers about a dude trying to sell his approach to measuring hospital mortality. And his own hospital did a huge study that refuted his own work. Do you really think that this is a credible source? More credible than WHO and OECD data?

Lol, a low budget insurance salesman starts talking shit after getting his shit pushed in repeatedly.

Oh for fucks sake, I LITERALLY CITED THE NHS YOU FUCKING RETARDED BOT.

And I don't actually own an insurance company either. You would understand that if you had something that would allow you to understand sarcasm, like a human brain or a soul.

It's a communist agenda to not have people die from preventable health conditions? You Trump try-hards will literally try to politicize anything.

Uh huh. Tell Alfie Evans and Charlie Gard about all those deaths your agenda is preventing.

Literally wasting my time, apparently. You can't even understand basic counting.

And you don't recognize the fucking NHS when you see it ahhahahha
 
Republicans lost the house two months after McCain died. You can argue they could have shoved something through between December and January, but that's not very realistic.



Dunno. Personally I think any sort of government option is DOA once the pre-existing conditions factor is added in. If republicans were smart they'd end the charade and kill off this dumbfuck socialist idea once and for all. Hopefully the new generation has some balls.

2 months is fast for sure, but they literally had years to write something and have it ready to go. It was their number one campaign issue. Right now I support Obamacare I don’t love it. I could easily be convinced to change my mind if the Republicans actually had a plan. The Republicans are quick to say we should replace Obamacare but won’t say what they want to replace it with.
 
USA spends 20% of GDP on healthcare. OECD average is 8%.

So what? We've got larger populations than most countries in that average, and a higher standard of care.
 
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