Summery in March (SCO v 31)

[xcvbn]

What is the news, fellow progressives?

Is Trump impeached yet?

Stop conflating things. Progressives wanted the FBI to investigate DNC collusion.

Go blame corporate dems, CNN, and MSNBC.

 

[ocean size]

A full, uncensored version will NEVER make the light of day here to either side.

Like of course us peons shouldn't get an unredacted version, but shouldn't we want our representatives in Congress to see the full thing? They are (supposedly) there to use their best judgement to make decisions based on what they think us, their constituents, would want. So both sides having the full report should be a part of that.

But of course I know that's not how any of this works.

The law allows for grand jury information that concerns foreign intel/counter intel to be shared with congress which might cover some of the Russia stuff.

Once the grand juries wrap up, "grand jury information" should legally be up for disclosure.

But who knows Barr might decide "department policies" means no one ever gets the goods.

"I will be in a position to move forward expeditiously in determining what can be released in light of applicable law, regulations, and Departmental policies".

 

[glenwo2]

Interviewer: What are your thoughts on how the media has reported on 'Russiagate'---the accusation that Russia has interfered in the 2016 election and might interfere in the 2020 election?

Noam Chomsky: I think it's so farcical that I barely even read the reports. It's a joke. I mean, if there was any interference by the Russians, it's essentially undetectable. There are careful analyses of what happened in the election. You can see how the money poured in, all sorts of things. There is no sign of any Russian effect. Furthermore, it was almost incredible from the beginning. What happened in the Senate and the House in 2016? Did the Russians interfere in the Senate elections? They went exactly the same way.

Furthermore, the whole thing is a bad joke for all sorts of reasons. For one thing, there are countries that do interfere in American elections---openly, publicly, and forcefully. One of them even sent its prime minister to address a joint session of Congress to attack the initiative being taken by the sitting president. Is that interference? That was Benjamin Netanyahu. That's only one part of it. That's large scale, massive interference. If any other country had done that, we'd have a huge scandal.

Furthermore, does the US interfere in elections? In Russia, for example? Yes, and proudly. In 1996, Clinton took pride in the fact that large-scale US interference in the Russian election swung it to his favorite, Boris Yeltsin. The US goes way beyond interfering it elections. It overthrows governments...I don't have to go through the history. So to talk about 'Russian interference' is simply a joke.

Furthermore, the whole discussion is completely beside the point. There is massive interference in US elections from the US corporate sector, who pretty much buy the elections. There is extensive research---Tom Ferguson's is by far the best, it's very extensive---which shows very convincingly that you can predict the outcome of an American election Congress and executive with remarkable precision simply by looking at the single variable of campaign funding. And that's just the beginning. Ferguson's analysis goes right through 2016. This goes back a long time, of course it has picked up a lot under the opening of the floodgates by the reactionary Supreme Court but it goes back to the 19th Century. Is that interference in elections? And that's the bare beginning. Since the 1970's, when the neoliberal assault began, the number of lobbyists in Congress has skyrocketed. A normal representative in Congress many spend several hours a day just talking to donors to try to get funds for the next election so he has a chance of running. Meanwhile, the lobbyists are meeting with his staff, bringing all their huge resources---which of course overwhelm the staff---and pretty much writing the legislation. Is that interference with elections? What's being discussed is not even a joke. The election system is deeply corrupt right at its core in many ways.

Interviewer: Do you believe that Donald Trump colluded with the Russian government?

Noam Chomsky: I haven't the slightest idea and I don't care. If there's going to be collusion, I think we can guess what it is. Maybe he made some deal to have a Trump hotel put up in Moscow. Okay. That's corrupt. But it's the kind of corruption that unfortunately is all over the place.

Interviewer: But with the quid pro quo of the Russians...

Noam Chomsky: Of what? The quid pro quo is that he's increased military action on the Russian border, he's created a huge military expansion of the military budget aimed at Russia, he's pulled out of the INF treaty, which is a major threat to Russia. What's the quid pro quo?

Spoiler: interview

 

[waiguoren]

Adam Schiff Still Believes: ‘Undoubtedly There is Collusion’

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, told the Washington Post in an interview that he still believes President Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign colluded with the Russian government, despite Special Counsel Robert Mueller finding that there was no collusion.

Mueller’s report came after an exhaustive, 675-day investigation that involved 500 witnesses and requests for information from 13 foreign governments. His conclusion was summarized in a four-page letter to Congress by Attorney General William Barr on Sunday. Barr quoted Mueller directly: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Still, Schiff told the Post that he remained convinced there was evidence to be found — somewhere:

“Undoubtedly there is collusion,” Schiff said in an interview this week, after Attorney General William P. Barr submitted a four-page letter to Congress summarizing key aspects of Mueller’s report. “We will continue to investigate the counterintelligence issues. That is, is the president or people around him compromised in any way by a hostile foreign power? . . . It doesn’t appear that was any part of Mueller’s report.”
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...till-believes-undoubtedly-there-is-collusion/

 

[HereticBD]

Adam Schiff Still Believes: ‘Undoubtedly There is Collusion’

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, told the Washington Post in an interview that he still believes President Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign colluded with the Russian government, despite Special Counsel Robert Mueller finding that there was no collusion.

Mueller’s report came after an exhaustive, 675-day investigation that involved 500 witnesses and requests for information from 13 foreign governments. His conclusion was summarized in a four-page letter to Congress by Attorney General William Barr on Sunday. Barr quoted Mueller directly: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Still, Schiff told the Post that he remained convinced there was evidence to be found — somewhere:

“Undoubtedly there is collusion,” Schiff said in an interview this week, after Attorney General William P. Barr submitted a four-page letter to Congress summarizing key aspects of Mueller’s report. “We will continue to investigate the counterintelligence issues. That is, is the president or people around him compromised in any way by a hostile foreign power? . . . It doesn’t appear that was any part of Mueller’s report.”
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...till-believes-undoubtedly-there-is-collusion/

He has to believe it. He's head of House Intelligence and he's been floating this bullshit out for two years, and if it's not true(it isn't), he looks like an inept moron who should probably resign.

Whatever though. I hope they double down because it makes them look like the pitiful con artists they are, and people are really starting to pay attention to their lies after all this shit. They're fooling less and less people the more these L's pile up. Denying it at this point is just plain childish and pathetic.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

Barrs memo is quite interesting in the aspect that it narrowly looks at Russian government and collusion with tRUmp campagin and not intermediaries such as Kilimink and the members of the tower meeting. I look forward to the actual report provided it's not redacted all to hell

Once the actual report hits we can then move on either way. I trust Muellers findings

 

[unimackpass]

He has to believe it. He's head of House Intelligence and he's been floating this bullshit out for two years, and if it's not true(it isn't), he looks like an inept moron who should probably resign.

Whatever though. I hope they double down because it makes them look like the pitiful con artists they are, and people are really starting to pay attention to their lies after all this shit. They're fooling less and less people the more these L's pile up. Denying it at this point is just plain childish and pathetic.

Because of arrogant pride They’ve publicly painted themselves into a corner and refuse to fess up because of the same pride.
It’s the same for true believers in the war room, their pride won’t let them stop.
They are a modern embodiment and are living out the true proverb,
“A man’s pride will bring him low.”

 

[waiguoren]

and collusion with tRUmp campagin

If the Mueller report shows nothing more than we already know, are you going to stop referring to Trump as 'tRUmp'?

 

[unimackpass]

If the Mueller report shows nothing more than we already know, are you going to stop referring to Trump as 'tRUmp'?

Pride won’t let him stop.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

If the Mueller report shows nothing more than we already know, are you going to stop referring to Trump as 'tRUmp'?

Nope since it rustles jimmies and his kid is a piece of shit who meets with people purporting themselves to be Russians and other members of his inner circle couldn't stop tripping over themselves lying about meeting with Russians

 

[waiguoren]

Nope since it rustles jimmies

@Jack V Savage

You've often accused people of being trolls. Given the above, would you extend that same accusation to Mr. "Bobby 3 Sticks"?

 

[Gunny]

Man some media outlets aren't taking this too well. Like look at this shit:

Jesus Christ this shit is parody. If there are any reasonable people left in the world who still call themselves progressives, please understand that it’s garbage like this that facilitates Trump’s “fake news” attacks on the media. SMH

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

If the Mueller report shows nothing more than we already know, are you going to stop referring to Trump as 'tRUmp'?

At this point, any inference that the President of the United States colluded with Russia, or was in some indirect way made a puppet of Russia, is extremists and dangerous language.

This extremist conspiracy theory, known as the Russian collusion hoax, whipped the Democratic party into such a hysteria, that many within the Democratic party openly supported a coup of the democratically elected President of the States of America.

 

[Bobby 3 Sticks]

@Jack V Savage

You've often accused people of being trolls. Given the above, would you extend that same accusation to Mr. "Bobby 3 Sticks"?

Except that's not my only reason. So you keep right on trolling by cutting off messages bet dodger

 

[waiguoren]

Except that's not my only reason. So you keep right on trolling by cutting off messages bet dodger

So is your position that poster is only a 'troll' if trolling constitutes 100% of the motivation for his posts?

 

[Andy Capp]

Again, you know that you and he were insisting that this was some kind of trap and infinitely expandable, etc. If you're going to dishonorably deny it, that's your own reputation and soul that you're hurting.

LOL Note, misused on purpose.

 

[andnowweknow]

Adam Schiff Still Believes: ‘Undoubtedly There is Collusion’

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, told the Washington Post in an interview that he still believes President Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign colluded with the Russian government, despite Special Counsel Robert Mueller finding that there was no collusion.

Mueller’s report came after an exhaustive, 675-day investigation that involved 500 witnesses and requests for information from 13 foreign governments. His conclusion was summarized in a four-page letter to Congress by Attorney General William Barr on Sunday. Barr quoted Mueller directly: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Still, Schiff told the Post that he remained convinced there was evidence to be found — somewhere:

“Undoubtedly there is collusion,” Schiff said in an interview this week, after Attorney General William P. Barr submitted a four-page letter to Congress summarizing key aspects of Mueller’s report. “We will continue to investigate the counterintelligence issues. That is, is the president or people around him compromised in any way by a hostile foreign power? . . . It doesn’t appear that was any part of Mueller’s report.”
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...till-believes-undoubtedly-there-is-collusion/

Considering he knows substantially more than anyone in the public, I'm not sure why this is so outrageous or laughable. He's either right or wrong, but nothing you or Breitbart knows really adds anything to the conversation.

In fact, you're just hoping he's lying. For him, he's either lying or he's not.

 

[waiguoren]

Considering he knows substantially more than anyone in the public, I'm not sure why this is so outrageous or laughable. He's either right or wrong, but nothing you or Breitbart knows really adds anything to the conversation.

Schiff has much better things to be doing with his time. Mueller was very thorough. Opportunity cost is real.

Schiff chairs the House Intelligence Committee, right? I'd like Schiff to move his focus to legislation and/or constitutional amendments to protect citizens' privacy from NSA/FBI/CIA intrusion.

 

[method115]

Considering he knows substantially more than anyone in the public, I'm not sure why this is so outrageous or laughable. He's either right or wrong, but nothing you or Breitbart knows really adds anything to the conversation.

It seems outrageous cause the report has been turned in and Muller said no collusion yet this man is insisting that their is. Wouldn't the man who lead the investigation know more than him and everyone else?

 

[glenwo2]

Adam Schiff Still Believes: ‘Undoubtedly There is Collusion’

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA), the chair of the House Intelligence Committee, told the Washington Post in an interview that he still believes President Donald Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign colluded with the Russian government, despite Special Counsel Robert Mueller finding that there was no collusion.

Mueller’s report came after an exhaustive, 675-day investigation that involved 500 witnesses and requests for information from 13 foreign governments. His conclusion was summarized in a four-page letter to Congress by Attorney General William Barr on Sunday. Barr quoted Mueller directly: “[T]he investigation did not establish that members of the Trump Campaign conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities.”

Still, Schiff told the Post that he remained convinced there was evidence to be found — somewhere:

“Undoubtedly there is collusion,” Schiff said in an interview this week, after Attorney General William P. Barr submitted a four-page letter to Congress summarizing key aspects of Mueller’s report. “We will continue to investigate the counterintelligence issues. That is, is the president or people around him compromised in any way by a hostile foreign power? . . . It doesn’t appear that was any part of Mueller’s report.”
​

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...till-believes-undoubtedly-there-is-collusion/

Because it's true. This guy is proving to be a worse Conspiracy theorist than Jesse Ventura AND THAT'S SAYING SOMETHING.