Summery in March (SCO v 31)

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Trump is calling for the full report to be released.

Well then there you go. What's the problem?

 

[andnowweknow]

Trump is calling for the full report to be released.

 

[computer fogie]

Well then there you go. What's the problem?

Since McConnell and others are pushing to keep it secret, I can only conclude that Trump is pretending to want it released in full. He also knows it will need to be redacted to hide sensitive info. If Trump was being honest (HA!), he would tell McConnell to stop trying to block it.

 

[computer fogie]

whats your take, do you think he decided to cut Trump some slake or

Yes, since the report contains evidence that he did commit obstruction (and that he did not). Trump appointed Barr, he wasn't going to appoint someone who had any intention of prosecuting Trump for anything.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Sorry dude, but no. Trump came out of this looking great. You can't spin this.

Just want to understand your perspective here: Why do you think the GOP is fighting to prevent the release of information that looks good for Trump? Do think McConnell doesn't want the public to know how innocent Trump is?

 

[bobgeese]

Mueller needs to stop hiding out and come out with his report immediately. He's letting a biased appointee of the President subvert Democracy. It's sickening.

So, now Meullers a coward?





This just keeps getting better...

 

[Fawlty]

Since McConnell and others are pushing to keep it secret, I can only conclude that Trump is pretending to want it released in full. He also knows it will need to be redacted to hide sensitive info. If Trump was being honest (HA!), he would tell McConnell to stop trying to block it.

Could totally be that. But with what we know about Trump, it could just as easily be that he already feels fully vindicated and wants to show it, and smarter people are telling him it's a bad idea. This executive has been very unpredictable.

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Just want to understand your perspective here: Why do you think the GOP is fighting to prevent the release of information that looks good for Trump? Do think McConnell doesn't want the public to know how innocent Trump is?

Don't know, don't really give a shit.

 

[Darkballs]

they're coming hard and fast. I've been trying to be nice to Glen. I've been quite harsh in the past.

What else do they have in their lives to be happy about? Christ, anyone gloating over the contents of a report that hasn't been made public is a clown.

 

[bobgeese]

Mueller's investigation didn't exonerate Trump of obstruction. It said there was evidence that he did, and evidence that he didn't. It did exonerate Trump of colluding with Russia to sway the election, but not of obstruction.

So obviously things changed since Comey said that back then.

It absolutely did, because he left the decision up to Barr and RR.

He presented facts for and against (apparently), it was determined they were insufficient.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Don't know, don't really give a shit.

Hmm. You understand why that sounds fishy, right? Like, that maybe you don't really believe what you're claiming to?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Hmm. You understand why that sounds fishy, right? Like, that maybe you don't really believe what you're claiming to?

No I'm just not a phony like you that pretends to know shit he doesn't know.

 

[computer fogie]

It absolutely did, because he left the decision up to Barr and RR.

He presented facts for and against (apparently), it was determined they were insufficient.

Mueller's report left the matter open, it says specifically that it does not exonerate Trump. Barr decided not to pursue it, he didn't argue with the evidence of Trump committing obstruction that the report contained.

You're confusing what the report said with what Barr decided to do with the info it contains.

 

[vengeful]

If the actual prosecutor said it was bullshit. It would just mean a lie was told then reported.

It's still a lie

If the actual prosecutor says "the statements are inaccurate" without saying in which way the statement was inaccurate doesn't really mean anything.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No I'm just not a phony like you that pretends to know shit he doesn't.

Meow. Childish personal attacks aside, you don't see the logic? We know that McConnell has seen the report. We know that he has an interest in Trump's political fortunes. It's therefore hard to square his actions with the idea that the report makes Trump look good. Something's not right here. I think if one sincerely has a strong belief that the report makes Trump look good, he'd be at least uneasy about the apparent contradiction and would want to try to get to the bottom of it. But to just brush it off suggests maybe you're not really concerned about being right from an objective standpoint. Looks like blind partisanship.

 

[andnowweknow]

What else do they have in their lives to be happy about? Christ, anyone gloating over the contents of a report that hasn't been made public is a clown.

Some of the more sophisticated on that side are just getting the celebration out while they can. Gonna be a lot of screeching when the report comes out, because literally NOBODY things it will be a glowing endorsement of Trump's team...just a matter of how ugly the picture is.

 

[second sight]

Mueller's report left the matter open, it says specifically that it does not exonerate Trump. Barr decided not to pursue it, he didn't argue with the evidence of Trump committing obstruction that the report contained.

You're confusing what the report said with what Barr decided to do with the info it contains.

mueller also said he also said he wasn't recommending any new indictments

I beg to differ with your last post, had he found a felony offense he would have went with it, anything to justify the last 2 years of his

 

[bobgeese]

Mueller's report left the matter open, it says specifically that it does not exonerate Trump. Barr decided not to pursue it, he didn't argue with the evidence of Trump committing obstruction that the report contained.

You're confusing what the report said with what Barr decided to do with the info it contains.

No, you’re confusing reality, with what you want reality to be.
The decision was left to Barr and RR.

That was the determination of Meuller.

They decided, it’s over.

 

[vengeful]

So, now Meullers a coward?





This just keeps getting better...

lol like a couple months ago a certain group on this forum wasn't saying that Mueller was a rogue agent conducting an illegal investigation.

Now, I unlike some on this forum have supported Mueller and still supports his findings as I have always thought he was going to do the job he was assigned to do to the best of his ability. So when he says the evidence for obstruction was ambiguous, I take him at his word.

Also, was the obstruction just based on firing Comey, or perhaps it could have been on something else in the case?

 

[ObamaPhoneLady]

Meow. Childish personal attacks aside, you don't see the logic? We know that McConnell has seen the report. We know that he has an interest in Trump's political fortunes. It's therefore hard to square his actions with the idea that the report makes Trump look good. Something's not right here. I think if one sincerely has a strong belief that the report makes Trump look good, he'd be at least uneasy about the apparent contradiction and would want to try to get to the bottom of it. But to just brush it off suggests maybe you're not really concerned about being right from an objective standpoint. Looks like blind partisanship.

You like to think you know all that but you don't actually know anything. You're just a guy reading the news. You have no inside information whatsoever on anything.

And it's not an attack to point out that you pretend to know a lot of stuff you don't actually know about.