Sub attempts should not count in scoring

[superpunch]

You don't count attempts. Should punch attempts be counted too? So like you just stand on one side of the octagon and punch air, and you win?

 

[Gabe]

Your logic is just off.

 

[Krimzon]

I want to see good fights. All things equal, more offense makes better fights. Therefore sub attempts should count in scoring so fighters are incentivized to put on good fights.

 

[Ares Black]

If you are attempting a sub you are imposing your will. If you are defending a sub you cannot possibly be attacking.

You just don't understand grappling.

 

[juncito]

Imagine the scorecards on GSP vs Hardy if they counted the attemps, I don't think the current scoring has the numbers available for that lol

 

[juncito]

If you are attempting a sub you are imposing your will. If you are defending a sub you cannot possibly be attacking.

You just don't understand grappling.

I see what he's saying to a point. I guess if you're constantly spamming stuff that has no chance I could see the op's point.

A kneebar or heel hook are the only submissions that I can think of that aren't necessarily imposing your will on a guy.

 

[chamcham]

A successful punch attempt is a landed strike (or, in the best case, a significant strike).
A successful submission attempt is a submission, which is the end of a fight.

But counting unsuccessful punch and submission attempts gives us some meaningful stats.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

So if a dude gets taken down in one minute, and then for the next 4 minutes is in a constant scramble to get away from sub attempts until the round ends, you wouldn't consider this a 10-8? I would, it shows complete domination of somebody on the ground. I don't think they score that heavily for attempts that aren't extremely close.

 

[Orochimaru 大蛇丸]

I see what he's saying to a point. I guess if you're constantly spamming stuff that has no chance I could see the op's point.

A kneebar or heel hook are the only submissions that I can think of that aren't necessarily imposing your will on a guy.

If you have a deep heel hook, or kneebar you are absolutely imposing your will on them, if they could get out they would, but you are imposing your will via heel hook, or kneebar. I get what you're saying, but flawed logic imo.

 

[juncito]

If you have a deep heel hook, or kneebar you are absolutely imposing your will on them, if they could get out they would, but you are imposing your will via heel hook, or kneebar. I get what you're saying, but flawed logic imo.

A deep one is a different story. I should have clarified what I meant though. Something along the lines of Diaz threatening a heel hook on gsp is what I meaning to say.

 

[sum dum ho]

Lol dude you just have no understanding of the ground game. Position before submission. It is incomparable to striking

 

[R.Doria]

So punches that don't knock some one out shouldn't count either

I'am sorry, but what a stupid thread

 

[Alpha_T83]

You don't count attempts. Should punch attempts be counted too? So like you just stand on one side of the octagon and punch air, and you win?

It really depends on the sub attempt. I mean, I don't think lay and pray should count for anything. If someone spends 3 minutes of a round putting on a jiu-jitsu clinic with sub attempt after sub attempt, and the other guy is just defending, then that should count hugely.

I'd say someone spending the entire round with someone on top of them should win the round if they put on most of the offense from the bottom with sub attempts. So no, I disagree with you -- if you want "just bleed" fighting, go watch underground bare knuckle boxing matches.

 

[smart.feller]

first off, submission isn’t even the right term...saying someone is going for a submission is like saying they are going for a knockout. The submission is the desired end result of the grappling hold. Most grappling holds that will lead to an opponent submitting encompass joint locks, chokes, and strangulations.

To discredit these holds and their dominance just because they don’t achieve the goal of an opponent quitting is idiotic. Many fighters suffer serious damage that limit their ability to fight, even if they don’t quit. To say that a grappling hold was ineffective because the opponent didn’t quit would be like saying Jose Aldo’s leg kicks against Faber didn’t count because Faber reached the bell.

 

[Dogo1]

I see what he's saying to a point. I guess if you're constantly spamming stuff that has no chance I could see the op's point.

A kneebar or heel hook are the only submissions that I can think of that aren't necessarily imposing your will on a guy.

Putting a guys leg (forward at the knee) isn't imposing your will on him?

 

[juncito]

Putting a guys leg (forward at the knee) isn't imposing your will on him?

I explained what I meant in a post above.