Students Suspended Indefinitely For Confederate Flag

[ABACA]

It was Lynyrd Skynyrd's album cover - and contrary to common belief the song Alabama slams George Wallace. Kid Rock's been know to wear it as well. I suppose some might call them both white trash.

"In Birmingham they love the governor (boo boo boo)"

Such slam!

Clearly the average southern can look critically at the region's history: the back-up singers sing "boo" after the lead singer states that the 200k population of Birmingham loves Wallace.

Also, we can ignore criticism because Niel Young is from Canada.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

"In Birmingham they love the governor (boo boo boo)"

Such slam!

Clearly the average southern can look critically at the region's history: the back-up singers sing "boo" after the lead singer states that the 200k population of Birmingham loves Wallace.

Also, we can ignore criticism because Niel Young is from Canada.

"And we all did what we could do." - As in tried to vote him out.

"Watergate doesn't bother me, does your conscience bother you" - As in are you responsible for what northern leaders have done?


Music historians point out that the choice of Birmingham in connection with the governor (rather than the capital Montgomery) is significant for the controversy as "In 1963, the city was the site of massive civil rights activism, as thousands of demonstrators led by Martin Luther King, Jr. sought to desegregate downtown businesses...[and] was the scene of some of the most violent moments of the Civil Rights Movement. Segregationist police chief Bull Connor unleashed attack dogs and high-pressure water cannons against peaceful marchers, including women and children; just weeks later, Ku Klux Klansmen bombed a black church, killing four little girls."[3]

In 1975, Van Zant said: "The lyrics about the governor of Alabama were misunderstood. The general public didn't notice the words 'Boo! Boo! Boo!' after that particular line, and the media picked up only on the reference to the people loving the governor."[4] "The line 'We all did what we could do' is sort of ambiguous," Al Kooper notes. "'We tried to get Wallace out of there' is how I always thought of it."[4] Journalist Al Swenson argues that the song is more complex than it is sometimes given credit for, suggesting that it only looks like an endorsement of Wallace.[4] "Wallace and I have very little in common," Van Zant himself said, "I don't like what he says about colored people."[4]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweet_Home_Alabama



VanZant said they didn't agree with the way the gov. treated blacks and that they thought Young was painting with a wide brush. "We thought Neil was shooting all the ducks in order to kill one or two," said Ronnie Van Zant at the time. - essentially, there were a lot of good people in the south and they didn't need Niel Young to point out the problems.

Also, Ronnie and Niel Young were good friends.

 

[The Diplomat]

**NEWS FLASH**

There were slave owning states that fight with the north....

And yet in the end, they were not slave owning states anymore. Funny how that happened.

 

[nixkid]

It was Lynyrd Skynyrd's album cover - and contrary to common belief the song Alabama slams George Wallace. Kid Rock's been know to wear it as well. I suppose some might call them both white trash.

If I post a picture of a couple white Americans who joined Al Qaeda, does it legitimatize their stand?

You can find a few people in any group to support ANY position. It doesn't say much.

 

[Scrody]

Where you going with this?

Do you really need me to explain?

 

[ABACA]

"And we all did what we could do." - As in tried to vote him out.

If by "tried to vote him out" you mean elected him as many times as they constitutionally could, and then elected his wife as a surrogate governor, and then elected him again after his wife's term, then you'd be historically accurate.

"Watergate doesn't bother me, does your conscience bother you" - As in are you responsible for what northern leaders have done?

And Nixon resigned under threat of impeachment. Also, are you as stupid as van Zandt to compare enforcing segregation on the state of Alabama with breaking into a hotel room?

Music historians point out that the choice of Birmingham in connection with the governor (rather than the capital Montgomery) is significant for the controversy as "In 1963, the city was the site of massive civil rights activism, as thousands of demonstrators led by Martin Luther King, Jr. sought to desegregate downtown businesses...[and] was the scene of some of the most violent moments of the Civil Rights Movement. Segregationist police chief Bull Connor unleashed attack dogs and high-pressure water cannons against peaceful marchers, including women and children; just weeks later, Ku Klux Klansmen bombed a black church, killing four little girls."[3]

Yep, he was only loved in Birmignham, hence being elected over and over again in state-wide elections.

 

[ABACA]

If I post a picture of a couple white Americans who joined Al Qaeda, does it legitimatize their stand?

You can find a few people in any group to support ANY position. It doesn't say much.

Not to mention the second picture looks like a civil war reenactment.

 

[djacobox372]

You're a fool if you think the civil war was only about slavery.

You're a fool to think that it wasn't primarily about slavery.

 

[OldGoat]

Funny that it's PC to have this thread open yet if the opposite question is asked the thread is invariably locked.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

**NEWS FLASH**

There were slave owning states that fight with the north....

**NEWS FLASH**

Lincoln never intended to end slavery. He only wanted to stop it from spreading to the West. The South went to War because they wanted slavery in the whole country.

Lincoln only abolished slavery in the middle of the War when he realized it would hurt the Souths war effort. So yes, there were slave states in the Union during the War, because Lincoln didnt want to abolish slavery and piss them off and make them secede as well. If you read your history, youll note he only abolished it in the states that were still fighting against the Union....

 

[livingdeadmoose]

You're right. Nazi germany lasted for about 15 years. The mass enslavement and murder of blacks in the US south lasted for centuries.

Another delusional, naive little kid. The southern states are not responsible for as many deaths as Nazi Germany. They didn't try to wipe out an entire race or perform fucked up experiments with no anesthesia on slaves.

Yes, slavery was a horrible thing, but you can't compare it to ethnic genocides and concentration camps.

 

[RIPWarrior]

Funny that it's PC to have this thread open yet if the opposite question is asked the thread is invariably locked.

White people were fighting back in that thread. White people need to be submissive.

 

[JonnyRingo84]

**NEWS FLASH**

Lincoln never intended to end slavery. He only wanted to stop it from spreading to the West. The South went to War because they wanted slavery in the whole country.

Lincoln only abolished slavery in the middle of the War when he realized it would hurt the Souths war effort. So yes, there were slave states in the Union during the War, because Lincoln didnt want to abolish slavery and piss them off and make them secede as well. If you read your history, youll note he only abolished it in the states that were still fighting against the Union....

imo, his stance on slavery changed throughout his life, morally speaking. why do you think he didnt sign the crittenden compromise?

 

[PainIsLIfe]

And yet in the end, they were not slave owning states anymore. Funny how that happened.

So that proves the point that the slave states joined the north to end slavery????

 

[PainIsLIfe]

If by "tried to vote him out" you mean elected him as many times as they constitutionally could, and then elected his wife as a surrogate governor, and then elected him again after his wife's term, then you'd be historically accurate.

And Nixon resigned under threat of impeachment. Also, are you as stupid as van Zandt to compare enforcing segregation on the state of Alabama with breaking into a hotel room?



Yep, he was only loved in Birmignham, hence being elected over and over again in state-wide elections.

I'll be nice and not call you names, but do you read what is actually written?


I'm not talking about the people who voted for Wallace - the line of the song according to Van Zant and everyone involved with the song was that there were good people in the south who tried to get rid of Wallace and weren't for segragation, but they didn't have enough votes to get him out.


Again you seem to have no grasp of what he was saying. The line means that the people in the south who were against segregation aren't any more responsible for Wallace than northerners were responsible for Nixon - perhaps you should stick to that bubble-gum pop or just ignore the lyrics all together.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

Not to mention the second picture looks like a civil war reenactment.

Correct, that gentleman is a member of the sons of the confederacy - in other words he great grandfather fought for the south.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

**NEWS FLASH**

Lincoln never intended to end slavery. He only wanted to stop it from spreading to the West. The South went to War because they wanted slavery in the whole country.

Lincoln only abolished slavery in the middle of the War when he realized it would hurt the Souths war effort. So yes, there were slave states in the Union during the War, because Lincoln didnt want to abolish slavery and piss them off and make them secede as well. If you read your history, youll note he only abolished it in the states that were still fighting against the Union....

Which is why it made no sense to post that the northern states banded together in the war to end slavery.

 

[PainIsLIfe]

imo, his stance on slavery changed throughout his life, morally speaking. why do you think he didnt sign the crittenden compromise?

I believe this as well. It may of had something to do with his increasing acceptance of religion while in office, but regardless his stance changed.

 

[Jukai]

I thought it was very, very clear here: The North states banded together to preserve the union. The South states seceded so that they could continue to use black slaves as much as they wanted. People arguing the north reasons are trying to distract from the main issues.

 

[KnightTemplar]

I post on sherdog, so you should know not to expect too much.

Well played, sir.:icon_lol: