Students Suspended Indefinitely For Confederate Flag

[Captain Davis]

so are the Taliban now. fighting a much stronger force is not inherently righteous or good.

You said name something I could take pride in. They fought valiantly.

 

[ncordless]

well i've had that then i was called a N---g well yea know. However i just smiled an said "your mama scream that'd when you were at school an she was in my bed". This proceeded to make him very angry an i just sat in the chair an laughed as his friend jeb held him back. So I've had my fair share of dealing with white trash idiots.


i am just tired of people trying to acting like Texas was a huge important piece of the south when we really weren't, we wanted to stay neutral in the war, hell Sam Houston was a unionist, but also was a texan an wanted us not to get involved in the situation. Ha just the stupidity coming from the rednecks makes me laugh as much as it is just annoying now.

Some of you laugh to scorn the idea of bloodshed as the result of secession, but let me tell you what is coming….Your fathers and husbands, your sons and brothers, will be herded at the point of the bayonet….You may after the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, as a bare possibility, win Southern independence…but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of state rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction…they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South. “]

-Sam Houston

 

[Jukai]

It wasn't the only thing but the major thing.

Except, you know, no one can name anything else.

 

[LucasWithLidOff]

Except, you know, no one can name anything else.

Driving really slow everywhere.

 

[7437]

You said name something I could take pride in. They fought valiantly.

so do you consider the Taliban to be valiant? they fought a much stronger opponent. Mali when they fought france recently was pretty outmatched, and I wouldn't call them valiant.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

The south and the north wanted things their way.

North was willing to compromise, the South wasnt.

 

[HIMBOB]

The Germans and the Japanese should never be compared to the Confederate states of America.

I dunno man.

Genocide is pretty bad but slavery aint exactly all cool either, could be said it is another form of genocide.

 

[HIMBOB]

Suspended indefinitely is too much. Make them stand in front of the Student Body and apologize for being assholes, and doing something that was offensive, and leave it at that for a change.

This spirit of banning and suspension is going to go too far.

I got suspend from school for smelling like smoke once.

Was about 18 years ago.


Do have to say, suspension is a pretty cool form of punishment.
They gave a heap of maths homework, I presume because people who get suspended don't like maths. I finished in about 3 hours and played on a pc at my dads work that had the full set of windows games, like 100+ games.

 

[Dontevenguess93]

I don't fly the confederate flag myself, but "heroic restraint"? That's is a freaking joke. As if they should have curb stomped the kid or something. There is something called the first amendment.

It must be weird to live up north. Lol

 

[Sigh GunRanger]

Native Americans and freed slaves fought with the Confederacy as well.


The flag isn't racist, but it's treasonous, and the kid should be hung.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

The rebels fought so that people a lot richer than them could own slaves and make more money. It was sold to the soldiers as "freedom" and they bought it hook, line and sinker.

And they died for it.

Now when Southerners get together and liquor themselves up and the deep down makes its way to the surface they talk about what a blessing it was to lose?

More importantly, could the North have accomplished the goal of ending slavery in the states without forcing the South to remain part of the union?

Some of you laugh to scorn the idea of bloodshed as the result of secession, but let me tell you what is coming

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Here are a couple of speeches by the Confederate president Jefferson Davis, the Georgia Secession, the Texas Secession, and more. Apparently we read the secession declarations differently. I don't see how anyone can read them, or Davis' speeches, and not see that the question of states right to self-governance was a contributing factor. Slavery gets mentioned a lot, sure, but phrases like "violation of our rights" is just as common.

Well no zhit. But when they say 'our rights' they mean all rights pertaining to slavery. They considered prohibiting its expansion west as a rights violation. They considered not hunting down fugitive slaves a rights violation. They considered allowing free blacks to congregate and talk about freedom in free states a rights violation.

George declaration of Secession



Texas declaration

Doesnt mention slavery? Did you read those Declarations?

Georgia:

The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery. They have endeavored to weaken our security, to disturb our domestic peace and tranquility, and persistently refused to comply with their express constitutional obligations to us in reference to that property, and by the use of their power in the Federal Government have striven to deprive us of an equal enjoyment of the common Territories of the Republic.

A brief history of the rise, progress, and policy of anti-slavery and the political organization into whose hands the administration of the Federal Government has been committed will fully justify the pronounced verdict of the people of Georgia. The party of Lincoln, called the Republican party, under its present name and organization, is of recent origin. It is admitted to be an anti-slavery party. While it attracts to itself by its creed the scattered advocates of exploded political heresies, of condemned theories in political economy, the advocates of commercial restrictions, of protection, of special privileges, of waste and corruption in the administration of Government, anti-slavery is its mission and its purpose. By anti-slavery it is made a power in the state. The question of slavery was the great difficulty in the way of the formation of the Constitution. While the subordination and the political and social inequality of the African race was fully conceded by all, it was plainly apparent that slavery would soon disappear from what are now the non-slave-holding States of the original thirteen.

And at the end they state explicitly The prohibition of slavery in the Territories is the cardinal principle of this organization.

Texas:
She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?


We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.

Yeah dude theres nomention of slavery at all in those. Totally about states rights. :icon_neut

Mississippi:

Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world

Pro-tip: Might want to read your sources next time.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

"Heroic Restraint"

 

[nixkid]

If I did so I didn't mean to imply that it was.

Right well that was my original point. The civil war wasn't started over differences in philosophy. It was started when those differing opinions manifested into actions and the Southern states clearly outlined this in their reasons for secession.

 

[Madmick]

It's amazing to me that many still can't accept what this icon truly represents, and why it's so offensive to certain groups.

 

[SammyPops]

US Civil War: 620,000 total casualties.

WWII: 61,000,000 total casualties.

Axis by Arm Bar, and it's not even close.

so its a numbers game?

so stali's Russia was worse than hitler's Germany, and Mao was worse then both?

 

[SammyPops]

Generally, one didn't seek to kill slaves, They were expensive. It wasn't the goal of the confederate states to extingiush their slaves from existance, just to treat them like property to further their financial gain. I guess it comes down to how much intent comes into play.

Both things are real shitty, but I give the slight edge to the death camps.

I appreciate this point but don't agree.

Awful is awful, and I have a hard time quantifying it.

 

[SammyPops]

georges doesn't

lol

the zombie had it right.

 

[KnightTemplar]

so its a numbers game?

so stali's Russia was worse than hitler's Germany, and Mao was worse then both?

There are people who would strongly argue that they were, indeed, worse than Nazi Germany.

Also, Nazi Germany represented a global threat. If the Nazis had won, we'd be having this conversation in German. If the Confederate States had won, it would have sucked for the North and the Slaves. But it still wouldn't have had much direct impact beyond America's borders.

 

[Bagatur]

people get upset over so much stupid shit these days...