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My thoughts exactly. This was the world-ending threat? It got it's shit pushed in by a bunch of teenagers. With fucking spears and a flare gun. Only Nancy had serious firepower. 
Television Stranger Things 4 (New Trailer)
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Do we know where El ended up? For some reason I thought of Iceland when I saw the three waterfalls.
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It wasn't perfect by any means. Some of the scenes felt like filler in an already bloated run time. Vecna and the Mind Flayer went out like Cans. And the world-building stumbled a bit; at some points it became difficult to know, or even care, exactly where the characters are. The Upside Down and the Abyss aren't fully explained. The audience is expected to just go with it.
On the plus side, all the cast gave their best performances of the show. There are some genuinely moving scenes, and a real sense of closure by the time the final credits roll. Hopper and Joyce moving to Montauk was a nice shout out; that was the original name for the show the Duffers came up with.
Not great, but orders of magnitude better than the abortion that was Game of Thrones final season.
7.5/10
On the plus side, all the cast gave their best performances of the show. There are some genuinely moving scenes, and a real sense of closure by the time the final credits roll. Hopper and Joyce moving to Montauk was a nice shout out; that was the original name for the show the Duffers came up with.
Not great, but orders of magnitude better than the abortion that was Game of Thrones final season.
7.5/10
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First 2 seasons were greatness
2rd was meh at best
4th - pretty meh but for me the whole Master of Puppets bit saved it some.
5th - started good first 4 eps. Middle 3 - went nowhere really and tbe finale seemed they wanted to just make sure they tied it up - better than 3 but barely
Season 5 was a mirror of season 2 Arcane it started good tben got progressively worse an worse till I struggled to finish it.
First 2 seasons were great i
2rd was meh at best
4th - pretty meh but for me the whole Master of Puppets bit saved it some.
5th - started good first 4 eps. Middle 3 - went nowhere really and tbe finale seemed they wanted to just make sure they tied it up - better than 3 but barely
Season 5 was a mirror of season 2 Arcane it started good tben got progressively worse an worse till I struggled to finish it.
First 2 seasons were great i
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I know this show requires a suspension of disbelief, but I hated what happened at the end with the military storyline.
The team kills dozens of soldiers and thwarts a major military operation, but they are free to go to resume their regular life?
Makes no sense.
The team kills dozens of soldiers and thwarts a major military operation, but they are free to go to resume their regular life?
Makes no sense.
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Did you prefer Vecna from season 4? I kind of miss how menacing he was in that season. He fucked with people's minds way more. I love how he would hover his long hand over someone and then lift them into the air twisting their limbs. In fact the best part of the finale is when Vecna messed with Hopper. First time I felt scared for a character in a while. I think Vol3 should have been two episodes. Felt like we got End Game without the Infinity War. Needed the heroes to get their asses kicked and make them doubt themselves coming into the finale.
But I still really like the show, might rewatch it all in a few years. Can't say the same for Game of Thrones. That ending really killed all desire to rewatch it.
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They never missed there
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I think first season was great. Second one had the sequel problem of basically feeling like a remake of the first one but also trying to make it bigger, but it does feel like a continuation of the first (Halloween 2 vs Halloween).
After that the feeling of the characters being kids was lost and I think they never really captured that sense of a gang of buddies again, they also started making the characters being too good kinda like how the Fast and Furios crowd went from Point Break to Mission Impossible in the later films.
Interistingly enough the charcater of Eddie Munsun is probably one of the few times a character that is introduced in the later seasons actually works. He was just more fun that what all of the original gang evolved into.
After that the feeling of the characters being kids was lost and I think they never really captured that sense of a gang of buddies again, they also started making the characters being too good kinda like how the Fast and Furios crowd went from Point Break to Mission Impossible in the later films.
Interistingly enough the charcater of Eddie Munsun is probably one of the few times a character that is introduced in the later seasons actually works. He was just more fun that what all of the original gang evolved into.
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Vecna S4 was creepier, partly because we knew so little about him in the beginning. His methods were gruesome; breaking his victim's limbs, blinding them and finally caving in their skulls while they were still alive. And that was only after torturing them for days with visions of their worst secrets. No wonder they cast Englund to play his father: S4 Vecna was doing some straight-up Freddy Kruger shit.
In S5, the mystery has gone, but if anything he's more powerful and dangerous. The way he kidnaps and grooms the children is uncomfortable to watch. It clearly plays out as a metaphor for sexual assault. The scene where he massacres the troops is one of my favourite Vecna moments. He tears them apart without breaking a sweat. And given what the soldiers were part of, I was actually cheering on Vecna at that point.
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Bald Eagle FTW!
Murrey is smart enough to gather evidence about what the Army is really doing in Hawkins - which violates everything from Posse Comitatus to Federal Law on kidnapping, torture, murder and illegal human experimentation. And he's paranoid enough to leave copies with someone he trusts, probably a lawyer. Or more likely, several lawyers, who have instructions to send the evidence to major newspapers and TV stations should Murrey ever die, vanish or be jailed.
Add to this the fact that, with El, "dead" and the Upside Down destroyed, the entire operation is a wash. Kay might want to punish the heroes, but her superiors will probably be pragmatic enough to cut their losses. As long as they keep their mouths shut about what actually happened, the Party are free to get on with their lives.
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Apparently that scene was Haifoss waterfalls in Iceland. But I prefer to believe it was the fictional Paradise Falls (based on Angel Falls in Venezuela) shown in the movie Up.
Bald Eagle FTW!
Murrey is smart enough to gather evidence about what the Army is really doing in Hawkins - which violates everything from Posse Comitatus to Federal Law on kidnapping, torture, murder and illegal human experimentation. And he's paranoid enough to leave copies with someone he trusts, probably a lawyer. Or more likely, several lawyers, who have instructions to send the evidence to major newspapers and TV stations should Murrey ever die, vanish or be jailed.
Add to this the fact that, with El, "dead" and the Upside Down destroyed, the entire operation is a wash. Kay might want to punish the heroes, but her superiors will probably be pragmatic enough to cut their losses. As long as they keep their mouths shut about what actually happened, the Party are free to get on with their lives.
Come on guys, you're overthinking this. There are bigger plotholes not the least of which is the "what happens in Hawkins stays in Hawkins" rule in effect since S1, even when the entire town is engulfed in ominous dust clouds like Pig-Pen from Charlie Brown, with red lightning and giant shadowy spider creatures roaming around, but no one else in the country or world is aware.
Military portrayals in TV and movies are always hilariously stupid, overdramatic, nefarious, overpowered or all of the above. The clowns in S4 and S5 don't even know how to salute properly, follow radio procedure or basic rifle marksmanship. Cleanest explanation is these are 3rd string National Guard forces the likes of which the gov't sends in to quell homeless vagrants in Jerkwater, USA.
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