Television Stranger Things 4 (New Trailer)

I'm a snob, I bailed on this show after season 2. Can't bring myself to go back, despite liking certain aspects of the visual style, & the overall vibe.

I think my demarcation line for television shows is, the writing has to be the strongest aspect. When it's weak, no amount of style can cover that lack of substance. For me, anyway. In movies, it can. I can enjoy a kinda stupid movie, if some other aspects are done really well. Because movies are ultimately a director's medium. But not TV, because a TV is a writer's medium. I guess I'm pretty picky about that.
 
Bacco said:
Just finished, loved this season too
Series just have tons of style, and even when writing is'nt great, style still hold up

Kinda sad they killed Eddie, dude could have been iconic af for the series... there was so many less interesting characters that could have been used as death of the season lol

He got another job, a man have many things to do
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I dont get the love for eddie. His character is annoying and comes off as a pest. Maybe its bc his character is based off some high school punk loser.
 
clutchCAT420 said:
I dont get the love for eddie. His character is annoying and comes off as a pest. Maybe its bc his character is based off some high school punk loser.
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I liked his first scene where he talked about how he took Mike and Dustin under his wing. Had sort of a fun, comedic energy to it. But he barely registered for the remainder of the season for me. And because he was more on the fringe and I didn’t particularly get immersed in his portion of the main storyline (the one with the mistake regarding the hellfire club and the vengeful basketball players), I didn’t find his scene with Dustin overly impacting. lot of people seem to have found it among the most emotionally resonant moments in the season if not the series.

So yeah- not a bad character at all as far as I was concerned. Entertaining performance. But I didn’t see him as an impact player.
 
Peteyandjia said:
I'm a snob, I bailed on this show after season 2. Can't bring myself to go back, despite liking certain aspects of the visual style, & the overall vibe.

I think my demarcation line for television shows is, the writing has to be the strongest aspect. When it's weak, no amount of style can cover that lack of substance. For me, anyway. In movies, it can. I can enjoy a kinda stupid movie, if some other aspects are done really well. Because movies are ultimately a director's medium. But not TV, because a TV is a writer's medium. I guess I'm pretty picky about that.
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I definitely wanted to encourage you to give season 3 a shot because I thoroughly enjoyed it but there’s definitely some writing, tonal issues in play there too so I’m not sure you’d feel the same way about it.

As someone who was really late to the game on the series, I definitely was very engrossed, particularly when I was binge watching season 3 and 4. Really wanted to see how the narrative played out. The style and the performances are the best part for me but there’s some well written plot developments to it. It’s just always a bit of a mixed bag as to which storylines are more appealing to me than others.
 
Finally got around to watching the season. Show should have had the balls to kill off Hopper last season, as that story added nothing to this season besides me fucking head palming hard that 3 people survived a plain crash in a shit plain without seatbelts and head small cuts to show for it and Hopper walking around like normal on two all but broken feet. Season would have been so much better without all that bullshit, even though Murray and Yuri were fantastic.

Killing off Eddie could be seen from miles away. Scape goat for the entire season and hard to write for next season of he stayed. Kid who plays Max is the real MVP of the show anymore. Kid can absolutely fucking act. Also, felt awful during the final Dustin scene with Eddies dad (uncle as KT pointed out). Wow that hit hard....
 
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SheetsMMAfan said:
Finally got around to watching the season. Show should have had the balls to kill off Hopper last season, as that story added nothing to this season besides me fucking head palming hard that 3 people survived a plain crash in a shit plain without seatbelts and head small cuts to show for it and Hopper walking around like normal on two all but broken feet. Season would have been so much better without all that bullshit, even though Murray and Yuri were fantastic.

Killing off Eddie could be seen from miles away. Scape goat for the entire season and hard to write for next season of he stayed. Kid who plays Max is the real MVP of the show anymore. Kid can absolutely fucking act. Also, felt awful during the final Dustin scene with Eddies dad. Wow that hit hard....
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It was Eddie's uncle but yeah, that scene brought the Feels.
 
ufcfan4 said:
I definitely wanted to encourage you to give season 3 a shot because I thoroughly enjoyed it but there’s definitely some writing, tonal issues in play there too so I’m not sure you’d feel the same way about it.

As someone who was really late to the game on the series, I definitely was very engrossed, particularly when I was binge watching season 3 and 4. Really wanted to see how the narrative played out. The style and the performances are the best part for me but there’s some well written plot developments to it. It’s just always a bit of a mixed bag as to which storylines are more appealing to me than others.
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Honestly one of the main things I enjoy in the show is its able to cover so much totally, a good antidote to a lot of genre TV which ends up being very humourless to the degree its quite lacking in character.

Helps as well to have a show thats focused strongly on its characters rather than depending mostly on tension around the plot although obviously the last season did have a big reveal.
 
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SheetsMMAfan said:
Finally got around to watching the season. Show should have had the balls to kill off Hopper last season, as that story added nothing to this season besides me fucking head palming hard that 3 people survived a plain crash in a shit plain without seatbelts and head small cuts to show for it and Hopper walking around like normal on two all but broken feet. Season would have been so much better without all that bullshit, even though Murray and Yuri were fantastic.

Killing off Eddie could be seen from miles away. Scape goat for the entire season and hard to write for next season of he stayed. Kid who plays Max is the real MVP of the show anymore. Kid can absolutely fucking act. Also, felt awful during the final Dustin scene with Eddies dad (uncle as KT pointed out). Wow that hit hard....
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I didn’t mind that they brought Hopper back if only because Harbour is a boss. But yeah that whole story arc in Russia was definitely among the lesser story arcs of season 4 in my opinion. Possibly my least favorite part of the season even though I liked Jaqen from Game of Thrones, Yuri, and Murray. There were good moments to it, but it felt like it dragged on. By the time Hop was like,

We are going to break back into the prison- I was thinking ughhh- it felt interminable getting out of there in the first place. There were so many tense and cool elements in play in that final episode of the season but the Harbour-Ryder portion of it just kind of paled in comparison to the other plot threads in my opinion. I thoroughly enjoy how the show displays the group working together to achieve some victory, but the going back to he prison lab to destroy the particles/demidogs in order to contribute just felt really disconnected from what was going on with Steve/Robin/Nancy, Eddie/Dustin, Lucas/Erica, El/Max/Vecna, etc

Totally agree that Sadie Sink was phenomenal as Max.
 
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moreorless87 said:
I felt the characters in that story were strong enough to make it stand up even if the plot was rather more straight forward.
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As you said in that earlier post, the characters and the dynamics between them are really impressive.

And they build things in a really organic way. Like how you had Dustin asking Steve for help in dealing with the Dart situation in season 2 and then in season 3, they are super tight in a comical but also endearing way lol.

El and Max’s friendship in season 3 was another example of something that was done very well and the Duffers and co clearly know exactly what they are doing because it made the scenes where El was trying to protect Max at the end of season 4 and the scene
where she jump starts her heart with telekinesis (??) all the more impacting.
 
Someone pointed out to me, not sure if anyone here mentioned it about Jason.

Jason foreshadowed his own death. He told Lucas earlier in the season that waking up from a hangover felt like being split in half, but he will survive. Obviously Jason didn’t.
 
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Someone pointed out to me, not sure if anyone here mentioned it about Jason.

Jason foreshadowed his own death. He told Lucas earlier in the season that waking up from a hangover felt like being split in half, but he will survive. Obviously Jason didn’t.
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Good point.

I didn't really know what to make of Jason as a character. As others have pointed out in this thread, there was sort of a sympathetic aspect there in the sense that a lot of the things that he perceived seemed very much justifiable if you were looking at things with the same limited information that he had.

BUT, at the same time, I thought that actor was playing the character with enough of an arrogant jerk sort of undercurrent (to be fair Angela made him look like a saint by comparison) that made it harder to see where he was coming from at any given point. If anything, i thought the plotline was more an indictment of mob justice and vigilantism than it was an outright establishment of some major heel character for the season.

Yet, it probably would have been bolder to make the character more outright likable rather than have him display clear heel tendencies.
 
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I thoroughly enjoyed episode 4 and 9 of this season and think they were among the best episodes of the series.
 
Rizzo said:
well she opened the portal in 1979, she re-opened it again in 1983 when the demigorgon attacked. We assume Vecna had something to do with Will being taken since you hear the clock sound he’s known for right before he’s taken but still wonder why he stayed dormant for at least 4 years before doing anything. But re-opening the portal to throw the monster back in doesn’t really explain how the upside down became a basic replica of Hawkins to me so hopefully they flesh that out in the finale.
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Interesting enough, the clock chimes all three seasons at one point. Once in season one. Twice in season two, three times in season 3.
 
Finally finished it and it doesn’t have the same charm, freshness or magic as the first season. They also did Eddie dirty and the writing regarding what happened to him was so stupid.
 
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