Economy Stocks thread v28: in loving memory of Rob Mafia and Brackis1

[HOLA]

Tesla CEO Elon Musk predicted that Optimus robots, which have yet to hit the market, will eventually make up more than three-quarters of his automaker’s value.

In a post on X on Monday, Musk wrote, ”~80% of Tesla’s value will be Optimus.” In mid-2024, Musk predicted that Optimus robots would someday turn Tesla into a $25 trillion company, which was equal to more than half of the entire value of the S&P 500 at the time of his comment.

With Tesla in the midst of a multi-quarter sales slump due to competition from lower-cost Chinese competitors, an aging lineup of electric vehicles and Musk’s incendiary political rhetoric and involvement with the Trump administration, the world’s richest person has been trying to convince Wall Street to look to the future.

For Tesla, that dream revolves around a world filled with robotaxis and humanoid robots, powered by artificial intelligence.

“It is important to note that Tesla is by far the best in the world at real-world AI,” Musk said in the company’s second-quarter conference call with analysts in July.

The problem for Tesla is that it’s behind in those key markets.

In robotaxis, Tesla has only recently started tests in Austin, Texas, and San Francisco, while Alphabet’s Waymo is live in numerous markets and reached 10 million paid trips in May. Baidu’s Apollo Go is live in China.

Meanwhile, competition in humanoid robots is coming from the likes of Chinese companies like Unitree, which won multiple medals at the World Humanoid Robot Games. Others in the space include Boston Dynamics, Agility Robotics, Apptronik, 1X and Figure.

Musk said in March that Tesla plans to make 5,000 of its Optimus robots this year. In its first-quarter shareholder deck, Tesla said it was on target for “builds of Optimus on our Fremont pilot production line in 2025, with wider deployment of bots doing useful work across our factories.”

Tesla recently lost the person running the division.

Milan Kovac, Tesla’s vice president of Optimus robotics, announced his departure in June after nine years at the company.

Tesla is developing Optimus with the aim of someday selling it as a bipedal, intelligent robot capable of everything from factory work to babysitting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/02/musk-tesla-value-optimus-robot.html

 

[HOLA]

GOOGL up to $228 motherfuckers. +8% after hours.



AAPL also up over 3% on the news.

 

[chardog]

End of an era gentlemen. I sold IESC today. For a 682.44% gain. Started dollar-cost averaging around the start of 2022 iirc. first batch of shares I bought were in the $40's, but I got in as low the mid $20's. During the tariff drop earlier this year I was also buying. Got in as low as $160 or so back in March. Sold for $365.20 today.



Starting to see some slight cracks show in this AI mania. It's not that I think a downturn in AI related stocks is imminent - I don't have a crystal ball, so I have no idea - but with a gain that large, and the stock at its all-time high, why take a chance?

Thats a lot of taxes to pay, which is tough to swallow, i also think the AI is starting to slow down, and I’ve considered selling nvda, however I would have to set aside a huge chunk for capital gains…..

 

[PEB]

Trump WLFI or whatever just got listed on the New York Stock exchange for over 6 billion dollars. You can bet Saudi and Russian interest will be pouring in to this stock. They have I believe a 6 month period before they can sell but it is worth more then any Trump real estate by miles. They say it could transfer 5 billion dollars of wealth to the family. Not bad for fu%king over people I guess?

 

[chardog]

GOOGL up to $228 motherfuckers. +8% after hours.



AAPL also up over 3% on the news.

that shit is wild

while tsla got too high, I was busy pumping GOOGL and AAPL since they felt low.........

 

[HOLA]

 

[HOLA]

Oracle is up 37% today. Best day for them since 1999. They've now got a market cap of $931 billion.

Also, Larry Ellison now is worth $400 billion. More than Musk.

 

[HOLA]

GOOGL hits $3 trillion market cap. Up another 4.5% today to $251.71. GOOGL now up 53% in the last 6 months.

 

[toasty]

PLTR at $171 in at $24 (should have been in at 12 but too scared) Shit even @Pittie Petey has to be up on this one...
KRKNF $3.04 in at .33 and .75 (when I gave it to y'all)
RMBS think I'm in at around $8. Rode it up huge then down to nothing, peaked at over $100 today before dropping down to a still nice gain around $95
IDCC in at $48 now at $329.31

the only problem is most of these were very small initial buys and are still very small positions because they don't pay divvies I can drip, and I Itrimmed RMBS while still holding a small gain after riding the rollercoaster down a long way a long time ago.

My big purchases are boring blue chips and index funds. These are my "Just for shits and giggles" portfolio which is unfortunately WAY out preforming my "these stocks are what I must live on them one day portfolio".

If I had balls, I'd short the living shit out of TSLA. I know @chardog thinks I'd be wrong, but everything seems to be lined up for them to drop and yet up they go.

Good luck to all.

 

[Rob Battisti]

GOOGL hits $3 trillion market cap. Up another 4.5% today to $251.71. GOOGL now up 53% in the last 6 months.

I, for one, called Google way wrong this year.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Then again, TSLA up 63% in 6 months which is what I sold my GOOGL to put into. So who’s the retard now?

 

[HOLA]

Then again, TSLA up 63% in 6 months which is what I sold my GOOGL to put into. So who’s the retard now?

Still you.

 

[Rob Battisti]

PLTR at $171 in at $24 (should have been in at 12 but too scared) Shit even @Pittie Petey has to be up on this one...
KRKNF $3.04 in at .33 and .75 (when I gave it to y'all)
RMBS think I'm in at around $8. Rode it up huge then down to nothing, peaked at over $100 today before dropping down to a still nice gain around $95
IDCC in at $48 now at $329.31

the only problem is most of these were very small initial buys and are still very small positions because they don't pay divvies I can drip, and I Itrimmed RMBS while still holding a small gain after riding the rollercoaster down a long way a long time ago.

My big purchases are boring blue chips and index funds. These are my just for shits and giggles portfolio which is unfortunately WAY out preforming my "these stocks are what I must live on them one day portfolio".

If I had balls, I'd short the living shit out of TSLA. I know @chardog things I'd be wrong, but everything seems to be lined up for them to drop and yet up they go.

Good luck to all.

Short TSLA at your own peril. It’s going to be seeing massive gains over the next 12 months.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Still you.

Idk, I could have diversified more into gold but didn’t. Definitely still on the TSLA train. My 12 month is +80%. Can’t be that retarded.

 

[toasty]

Short TSLA at your own peril. It’s going to be seeing massive gains over the next 12 months.

I don't short, too risky. I did a pretend short of TSLA way back on one of those investopedia type sites and it went down like $100 then I closed it out and collected all my play $'s.

Then I watched it sky rocket for years and knew I would've been severely crushed had I really shorted it after my experiment but with real money. So bullet dodged.

Not looking for a fight but from where I sit, on the sidelines and way up in the nose bleeds watching this, here is what I see. Collapsing worldwide sales, compressing margins, a semi failure in the cybertruck, a full failure in the semi, a seemingly endless wait for robotaxi/actual FSD, the end of tax credits, the end of first mover advantage with a slew of competition with rising sales, tired designs, an unstable highly politicized and thus polarizing Musk who has been distracted by his many other ventures, a highly inflated stock price that continues to rise daily for little to no reason

Devil's advocate, they might have Elon's attention back, he did just plow in a billion into it, they might be on to something with optimus, they might be able to reverse the poor sales trends, they might win the race to robotaxi dominance, they might be able to build up energy, they might refresh the car designs sometime soon.

Lotta mights on the long side, lot of facts on the short side in my view, tell me why I'm wrong @Rob Battisti or any other Tesla bulls.

 

[pv3Hpv3p]

I really enjoyed it when it was the "stonks" thread... that's all I got.

 

[chardog]

PLTR at $171 in at $24 (should have been in at 12 but too scared) Shit even @Pittie Petey has to be up on this one...
KRKNF $3.04 in at .33 and .75 (when I gave it to y'all)
RMBS think I'm in at around $8. Rode it up huge then down to nothing, peaked at over $100 today before dropping down to a still nice gain around $95
IDCC in at $48 now at $329.31

the only problem is most of these were very small initial buys and are still very small positions because they don't pay divvies I can drip, and I Itrimmed RMBS while still holding a small gain after riding the rollercoaster down a long way a long time ago.

My big purchases are boring blue chips and index funds. These are my "Just for shits and giggles" portfolio which is unfortunately WAY out preforming my "these stocks are what I must live on them one day portfolio".

If I had balls, I'd short the living shit out of TSLA. I know @chardog thinks I'd be wrong, but everything seems to be lined up for them to drop and yet up they go.

Good luck to all.

$TSLA is too high at this moment, shorting it might make you some money, but I dont really play those games, I stuffed the crap out of TSLA, however it doesnt mean I will continue if it doesnt feel right, so I had moments when I went to stuff google, apple, trying to claw back few hundred shares of TSLL at market high and letting it sit........... I let her play my roth and she nearly destroyed it, and it feels good to be only down 31%...........

elon and his side quest in the UK was an unnerving experience, why'd he have to do that again?

 

[Rob Battisti]

I don't short, too risky. I did a pretend short of TSLA way back on one of those investopedia type sites and it went down like $100 then I closed it out and collected all my play $'s.

Then I watched it sky rocket for years and knew I would've been severely crushed had I really shorted it after my experiment but with real money. So bullet dodged.

Not looking for a fight but from where I sit, on the sidelines and way up in the nose bleeds watching this, here is what I see. Collapsing worldwide sales, compressing margins, a semi failure in the cybertruck, a full failure in the semi, a seemingly endless wait for robotaxi/actual FSD, the end of tax credits, the end of first mover advantage with a slew of competition with rising sales, tired designs, an unstable highly politicized and thus polarizing Musk who has been distracted by his many other ventures, a highly inflated stock price that continues to rise daily for little to no reason

Devil's advocate, they might have Elon's attention back, he did just plow in a billion into it, they might be on to something with optimus, they might be able to reverse the poor sales trends, they might win the race to robotaxi dominance, they might be able to build up energy, they might refresh the car designs sometime soon.

Lotta mights on the long side, lot of facts on the short side in my view, tell me why I'm wrong @Rob Battisti or any other Tesla bulls.

1. Optimus Robot - extremely bullish on this. Optimus, within 10 years, could be a trillion dollar business in and of itself.
2. Robotaxi - Bar none, the only self driving car that is scalable. Revenue expected to be close to 750 billion by 2030.
3. Full Self Driving - 10x safer than humans
4. Affordable EV Model Y - 25k model incoming
5. Best Selling Vehicle Lineup - still the market leader in EVs by a wide margin.
6. Tesla Semi Truck - Delayed but not dead.
7. Energy Generation & Storage - huge business in and of itself. achieved $10.09 billion in revenue in 2024 with 67% growth, expected to rise at least 50% in 2025
8. FSD Licensing - Hugely untapped source of revenue
9. Largest Supercharging Network
10. Huge Positive Cashflow Generation - $2.54 billion in operating cash flow in Q2 2025, maintaining $36.8 billion in cash

 

[HOLA]

Fed cuts.

Recent indicators suggest that growth of economic activity moderated in the first half of the year. Job gains have slowed, and the unemployment rate has edged up but remains low. Inflation has moved up and remains somewhat elevated.

The Committee seeks to achieve maximum employment and inflation at the rate of 2 percent over the longer run. Uncertainty about the economic outlook remains elevated. The Committee is attentive to the risks to both sides of its dual mandate and judges that downside risks to employment have risen.

In support of its goals and in light of the shift in the balance of risks, the Committee decided to lower the target range for the federal funds rate by 1/4 percentage point to 4 to 4‑1/4 percent. In considering additional adjustments to the target range for the federal funds rate, the Committee will carefully assess incoming data, the evolving outlook, and the balance of risks. The Committee will continue reducing its holdings of Treasury securities and agency debt and agency mortgage‑backed securities. The Committee is strongly committed to supporting maximum employment and returning inflation to its 2 percent objective.

In assessing the appropriate stance of monetary policy, the Committee will continue to monitor the implications of incoming information for the economic outlook. The Committee would be prepared to adjust the stance of monetary policy as appropriate if risks emerge that could impede the attainment of the Committee's goals. The Committee's assessments will take into account a wide range of information, including readings on labor market conditions, inflation pressures and inflation expectations, and financial and international developments.

Voting for the monetary policy action were Jerome H. Powell, Chair; John C. Williams, Vice Chair; Michael S. Barr; Michelle W. Bowman; Susan M. Collins; Lisa D. Cook; Austan D. Goolsbee; Philip N. Jefferson; Alberto G. Musalem; Jeffrey R. Schmid; and Christopher J. Waller. Voting against this action was Stephen I. Miran, who preferred to lower the target range for the federal funds rate by 1/2 percentage point at this meeting.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I love money.