Media Stipe Miocic Humbles Francis Ngannou

[boss429]

I know you’re a Stipe fan too but I had to acknowledge your post is all.

All good buddy, always a pleasure when we can agree on something, haha.

 

[Ludonja]

stipe was fighting great fight in that match. since big frank has been so dominant in his other fights (if we discard snooze fest vs black beast), we cant really know if he improved anything if he gets taken down repeatedly or the fight goes to 3rd or championship rounds.
at same time stipe has been kod by cormier and taken tons of damage in their 2nd fight.
i will be rooting for stipe but with his age and damage taken in his fights he should be more on decline, while ngannou continues to improve.
when stipe and dc are gone there is no other hw who would likely beat big frank, unless we see jones perform at hw

 

[GrizzlyMan]

All respect but this is a bit goofy.

DC could barely get past Gus and lost to Jones twice - literally getting beaten to sleep.

Heavyweight is not a different game - its where you go when you want to fight older, lesser skilled, less athletic fighters. Thats why DC, the very same guy, can absolutely WALK THROUGH heavyweight, including summarily knocking out the champ. It has the oldest average age of any division. Are you familiar with any athletic sport in the world where having the oldest competitors is a good thing (read: its not)

I was responding to 'those heavyweights can beat up everyone else.' They demonstrably cannot, because guys like OSP and DC are literal, real world examples. We do not need to guess, its a fact.

I'm also throwing out my opinion that guys like Costa and Romero can beat 11-20 ranked heavyweights. Thats how bad heavyweight is.

If you can make 185 you don't fight at heavyweight 'just because' since you are going to take substantially more head trauma throughout a 20+ fight career, while fighting much larger humans. This is frankly common sense and I cannot believe I am typing it out for you.

You make some fair points, but don’t ignore how severe the cut to 205 is on DC.
I know he’s ‘tubby’ even at 205, but it has a lot to do with his physiology.
When we first saw him at HW in SF he was arguably dealing with a better HW div than the current UFC HW roster. He absolutely dominated. His power at HW has always been light years ahead of his power at LHW.
This is definitely a contributing factor in his success at HW vs his somewhat frustrating run at Jones...
Not saying it’s the only reason, but DC is naturally a HW. Jones is naturally a LHW.
So the HW div is weak, no argument there. Also DC performs better at HW than LHW regardless of opponent.

 

[Ch31ck]

Lol, Stipe fanboys claim that since Stipe beat him "easily" the first time, he shouldn't have to face him again despite Ngannou earning another rematch. This is how you know the fanboys know Stipe was very lucky the first time and doesn't survive the rematch.

 

[6 Pack Lapadat]

I wish trilogies were more like the Chuck Randy trilogy. The first two bouts weren't back to back, so we saw both men cement themselves as the best at 205. It felt organic.

That is why the Francis rematch makes sense as Francis cleaned out the contenders and has made it clear he has to be next. The DC trilogy...does not have to happen but is a much much bigger fight than anyone else (outside of Francis, who has next).

 

[91 seconds]

Francis is dangerous and can beat anybody but he does have weaknesses that can be exploited. I also thought DC was always a bad matchup for him. You survive and grind him down until the later rounds it turns in your favor.

 

[Tweak896]

I'm sick of rematches clogging the division. That said when Ngannou starches 2 ex champions 2 prospects under a round combined, I think he earned one. I don't think Stipe or DC earned theirs.

 

[WA2OOO]

I think the very fact alone Stipe couldn’t finish Francis 1.0 should strike fear into the heart. Ngannou wins that rematch ALL day

Francis puts him out cold

if he just trains wrestling i dont see anyone besides dc beating him .. dudes legit a monster

I'm kinda tired of trilogies and rematches to be honest, those guys fight so infrequently that I would rather have some new shit.

so whos francis supposed to fight? dc supposed to just retire? whos fighting stipe? curtis?

 

[rjmbrd]

His power at HW has always been light years ahead of his power at LHW.

Hard disagree. You cannot possibly qualify this statement.

Watch his fights with Mir, Big Country and Barnett. He had to beat them up in workmanlike decisions because he couldn't hurt them. He KO'd Bigfoot who's signature move is getting KO'd. He's undersized at heavyweight but thats how bad heavyweight is.

Where in the world do you get the idea his punching power is 'light years ahead' of him at 205?

 

[Herwald]

No offense, but you’re not getting your points across effectively or clearly. This thread is ton of Stipe fans but you’re somehow arguing with them/us.

A bit, yeah, but part of the problem is you guys want a 100% dogmatic agreement and praise for Stipe. Sorry, I don't play that.

 

[Grenades]

A bit, yeah, but part of the problem is you guys want a 100% dogmatic agreement and praise for Stipe. Sorry, I don't play that.

I don’t mean to be on your back about this but a Stipe fan posting the post below is just uninformed. You’re not wrong below because of dogma or Unconditional praise, you’re wrong because of objective stats and info. By all means, express an opinion contrary to the norm, I enjoy a good debate, but come correct with your side of the debate.

 

[firstroundpick]

How many times did he get taken down since Stipe?

you proved my point... he hasn't shown shit except quick kos

 

[firstroundpick]

Sure but like I said he's bounced back, so we know he can accept the need to improve and could be more resilient now.

He went into the Stipe fight unprepared for hard times and yet the danger of one punch was there from start to finish. I agree we can't really judge his "improved" grappling one way or another, but in fairness he did put away technically two of the best grapplers in the division with ease.

Stipe was the first IMO to approach Ngannou without fear and hesitancy and that could be why his grappling was more effective than "better" grapplers. A second fight will say a lot I reckon.

how did he bounce back?? he lost to derrick lewis and had a few quick kos... He hasn't changed at all he;s just hoping to catch stipe. thats his only chance

 

[Bruce Lee666]

how did he bounce back?? he lost to derrick lewis and had a few quick kos... He hasn't changed at all he;s just hoping to catch stipe. thats his only chance

Francis must be training defensive wrestling like crazy,after losing to Miocic.

he looked cold and mature,against JDS.

if your TDD has evolved,Francis kills Miocic.


is not Francis blame if no opponent is worthy of him showing his progress, if he faces Lewis again he kills him.

Lewis was lucky to face a Francis who did not fight 100%, he is overrated until the current JDS massacred him.

Francis became a murderer again,he kills Lewis if he faces him again.

 

[MarcusAuerelius]

I don't get you guys, you watched the fight, you watch MMA - why does the fact that Francis landed on Stipe every round and kept him rocked never counts for anything? This never gets brought up. That fight was slow as shit cause Stipe was barely in it.

He still won.

I am with you on all points
Even at the champ'ship rounds it felt like Francis could win, every time he touched Stipe (only happened twice or thrice later in fight) - it would put Stipe on wobbly legs... and apart from being constantly dominated and taken down at will Francis never felt in real danger danger... So unless Nganou 'beats' himself (like he did before) - he can finish anyone in HW at any point of the match.

 

[Grenades]

I am with you on all points
Even at the champ'ship rounds it felt like Francis could win, every time he touched Stipe (only happened twice or thrice later in fight) - it would put Stipe on wobbly legs... and apart from being constantly dominated and taken down at will Francis never felt in real danger danger... So unless Nganou 'beats' himself (like he did before) - he can finish anyone in HW at any point of the match.

Show me one gif of Stipe on shaky legs against Ngannou

 

[RJK]

how did he bounce back?? he lost to derrick lewis and had a few quick kos... He hasn't changed at all he;s just hoping to catch stipe. thats his only chance

I mean you answered your own question. He won every fight after the black beast fight and looked confident enough to engage. As for Stipe maybe, maybe not, it'll answer a lot of questions if Stipe can draw him in to a fight longer than a few minutes.

 

[I_IZ_BACK]

Stipe wins again, but it will be a different fight as Francis knows now how to prepare himself for a HW title fight.

 

[AlfaBanger]

This guy makes good videos..I liked it

 

[firstroundpick]

Francis must be training defensive wrestling like crazy,after losing to Miocic.

he looked cold and mature,against JDS.

if your TDD has evolved,Francis kills Miocic.


is not Francis blame if no opponent is worthy of him showing his progress, if he faces Lewis again he kills him.

Lewis was lucky to face a Francis who did not fight 100%, he is overrated until the current JDS massacred him.

Francis became a murderer again,he kills Lewis if he faces him again.

Francis admitted after the lewis fight that he was intimidated and had nightmares after the stipe fight..those wins are against one dimensional fighters.. the only impressive win was s against blaydes... btw stipe finishes him next time