Stipe Miocic - have I missed something?

[spinup]

Black Beast was in between. The Ngannou stuff is worse, neither is a good relationship.

DC vs BB was like a month or 2 after Stipe got KOd, he was in recovery. As far as Stipe is concerned, it was an immediate rematch, he didn't have to fight anyone.

 

[wwkirk]

Stipe holds the record for most wins in heavyweight title fights along with the longest title defending streak in the heavyweight division. Arguably one of the greatest Heavyweights in UFC History.

Yet what I don’t understand is this, how can he hold those accolades and yet not be given an immediate rematch for his title after a loss? Case in point..

He loses by KO to Cormier, rather than give Stipe the immediate rematch he deserves off the back of his impressive Heavyweight run, DC is allowed to defend against Derrick Lewis before running it back with Stipe.

He then gets his rematch with Cormier and wins via TKO…. Cormier (company man/shill) is then given immediate rematch with Stipe ??

Stipe eventually lose title in his rematch with Ngannou (going 1-1) and seems to be out in the wilderness with barely a mention at fighting to get his belt back again. Instead we’ve got Gane and Ngannou.

Have I missed something? Do the UFC or Dana have something against Stipe? You’d think a heavyweight with the accolades stipe has in the UFC would get treated slightly better and more respectfully.

He already had his instant rematch.

 

[Krixes]

Stipe never fights. He just received immediate rematch, and got smashed on his first defense. His time his over, no more old men for him to beat up.

 

[MCS]

DC vs BB was like a month or 2 after Stipe got KOd, he was in recovery. As far as Stipe is concerned, it was an immediate rematch, he didn't have to fight anyone.

It was 4 months later. I believe Stipe wanted that rematch sooner than over a year later after the loss. It was a point back then. Also part of if he had a bad relationship with them.

 

[WhosTheBoss]

Agree his decision to fight at a lighter weight backfired. If he puts some mass back on again, he ragdolled Ngannou in the first fight and he definitely can do it again.

Literally 0% any version of Stipe beats Francis at this point. Seriously.

 

[WildWestWhoopAss]

Stipe should just wait a little, have Francis take some damage and get a little older and he will have his trilogy opportunity and shot at the championship again. He has literally beaten everyone and there are no one in the roster but gane or Francis for him to fight anyways.

 

[laleggenda27]

The moment his fate was sealed. I hope it felt good, I know the consequences don’t.

This incident came to my mind as well.

Stipe has had a contentious relationship with Dana, isn't a draw, and has been relatively inactive for a long time (typically only fights once per year). This is a bad recipe for expecting immediate title rematches.

 

[cooks1]

Stipe holds the record for most wins in heavyweight title fights along with the longest title defending streak in the heavyweight division. Arguably one of the greatest Heavyweights in UFC History.

Yet what I don’t understand is this, how can he hold those accolades and yet not be given an immediate rematch for his title after a loss? Case in point..

He loses by KO to Cormier, rather than give Stipe the immediate rematch he deserves off the back of his impressive Heavyweight run, DC is allowed to defend against Derrick Lewis before running it back with Stipe.

He then gets his rematch with Cormier and wins via TKO…. Cormier (company man/shill) is then given immediate rematch with Stipe ??

Stipe eventually lose title in his rematch with Ngannou (going 1-1) and seems to be out in the wilderness with barely a mention at fighting to get his belt back again. Instead we’ve got Gane and Ngannou.

Have I missed something? Do the UFC or Dana have something against Stipe? You’d think a heavyweight with the accolades stipe has in the UFC would get treated slightly better and more respectfully.

Yes. You are missing a lot. Stipe lost decisively. The UFC HW division has decent contenders for the first time in forever. Stipe fights infrequently. You gonna hold up the entire division for north of a year because Stipe give you the feels?

 

[MustangSally]

Stipe holds the record for most wins in heavyweight title fights along with the longest title defending streak in the heavyweight division. Arguably one of the greatest Heavyweights in UFC History.

Yet what I don’t understand is this, how can he hold those accolades and yet not be given an immediate rematch for his title after a loss? Case in point..

He loses by KO to Cormier, rather than give Stipe the immediate rematch he deserves off the back of his impressive Heavyweight run, DC is allowed to defend against Derrick Lewis before running it back with Stipe.

He then gets his rematch with Cormier and wins via TKO…. Cormier (company man/shill) is then given immediate rematch with Stipe ??

Stipe eventually lose title in his rematch with Ngannou (going 1-1) and seems to be out in the wilderness with barely a mention at fighting to get his belt back again. Instead we’ve got Gane and Ngannou.

Have I missed something? Do the UFC or Dana have something against Stipe? You’d think a heavyweight with the accolades stipe has in the UFC would get treated slightly better and more respectfully.

You're joking right? We want to see Stipe in less rematches, not more - dude's only fought 2 different opponents in the past 5 years

 

[TempleoftheDog]

I’m not saying everyone should get immediate rematches. But if you’ve been on a run and have the accolades Stipe has in the Heavyweight division, an exception should be made for his individual case. In my opinion.

Yes, that happened when he lost to DC, and then he got a rematch without fighting again first. He took back the title and defended one more time against DC. Then he lost to Ngannou.

I’m a massive Stipe fan. But he literally now needs to earn his next TS. The fact that him and Ngannou are 1-1 means nothing. Ngannou might not even be the champ after he fights Gane. But, Stipe needs to fight and beat somebody before he gets another TS.

I hate the way the UFC runs things these days. I believe TS should be handed out by merit. Edwards, and Esparza should be next in their divisions. But they are getting screwed. I can’t say they are getting screwed and then claim that Stipe somehow deserves another free TS.

I’d be a bigger asshole than clowns still trying to say Conor deserves fuck all for what he did over 5 years ago.

Win fights and earn your ranking and place in line. Right now Stipe needs to fight somebody to hold his ranking. It’s only fair.

 

[TempleoftheDog]

The UFC for sure never really liked Stipe but if I recall Stipe declined an immediate rematch or didn't want to step back in so Lewis was offered the fight. For Stipe's sake I don't think he should be stepping right back in with Ngannou. Gane might be a more favorable matchup for him. Stipe has been known to wait around and take his time coming back

You what?

Are you talking about when DC was holding out for a possible money fight with Lesnar? Then took Lewis instead?

Because, NO. Stipe would have jumped at any rematch with DC. That’s exactly what he was calling for, and eventually got.

Unless you’re talking about some whole other situation. Your “recall” is for shit.

 

[mjfan23]

Cause Stipe was never really that great?

And that Pink goof didn’t like him or market him enough

 

[chrass]

Stipe holds the record for most wins in heavyweight title fights along with the longest title defending streak in the heavyweight division. Arguably one of the greatest Heavyweights in UFC History.

Yet what I don’t understand is this, how can he hold those accolades and yet not be given an immediate rematch for his title after a loss? Case in point..

He loses by KO to Cormier, rather than give Stipe the immediate rematch he deserves off the back of his impressive Heavyweight run, DC is allowed to defend against Derrick Lewis before running it back with Stipe.

He then gets his rematch with Cormier and wins via TKO…. Cormier (company man/shill) is then given immediate rematch with Stipe ??

Stipe eventually lose title in his rematch with Ngannou (going 1-1) and seems to be out in the wilderness with barely a mention at fighting to get his belt back again. Instead we’ve got Gane and Ngannou.

Have I missed something? Do the UFC or Dana have something against Stipe? You’d think a heavyweight with the accolades stipe has in the UFC would get treated slightly better and more respectfully.

Its cause he got the rematch with Cormier. Can't just give him rematches non stop. All he's gotta do is win a fight n he's right back there

 

[moosaev]

Stipe holds the record for most wins in heavyweight title fights along with the longest title defending streak in the heavyweight division. Arguably one of the greatest Heavyweights in UFC History.

Yet what I don’t understand is this, how can he hold those accolades and yet not be given an immediate rematch for his title after a loss? Case in point..

He loses by KO to Cormier, rather than give Stipe the immediate rematch he deserves off the back of his impressive Heavyweight run, DC is allowed to defend against Derrick Lewis before running it back with Stipe.

He then gets his rematch with Cormier and wins via TKO…. Cormier (company man/shill) is then given immediate rematch with Stipe ??

Stipe eventually lose title in his rematch with Ngannou (going 1-1) and seems to be out in the wilderness with barely a mention at fighting to get his belt back again. Instead we’ve got Gane and Ngannou.

Have I missed something? Do the UFC or Dana have something against Stipe? You’d think a heavyweight with the accolades stipe has in the UFC would get treated slightly better and more respectfully.

Stipe wasn't an active champion and has been one of the main reasons HW was so stagnant all those years. Why would the UFC give him another shot when he's nothing but trouble at the negotiation table?

 

[moosaev]

I agree with everything you said.

Stipe is a class act and totally underappreciated/undervalued by the UFC.

He put on an absolute clinic against Ngannou the first fight.

Yes, Ngannou improved his skills, countered Stipe, and got a knockout. Credit to Francis.

But was a flash knockout, and if any heavyweight champion in UFC history deserved an immediate rematch, for sure it was Stipe Miocic.

Stipe refuses to fight for anything but the belt and he made the HW division stagnant during his reign. Why would anyone want him to get the belt back and then have him refuse to defend for a year? No thanks.

 

[TheHitMan]

Stipe wasn't an active champion and has been one of the main reasons HW was so stagnant all those years. Why would the UFC give him another shot when he's nothing but trouble at the negotiation trouble?

Simple: negotiate with Stipe that he has to fight 2x/year, and if he agrees give him the shot. It's all about negotiation.

 

[Bubzeh]

Stipe gets the winner of Francis and Gane. It’s not that difficult to comprehend.

 

[moosaev]

Simple: negotiate with Stipe that he has to fight 2x/year, and if he agrees give him the shot. It's all about negotiation.

Why would they go out of their way to negotiate special terms for Stipe? Dude doesn't have the belt, is about to turn 40, and was always a pain in the ass to deal with. The UFC doesn't give fighters like that title shots, Dana's playbook is to feed them to a younger prospect they wanna build up. That's why they want Nate to fight Khamzat.

 

[TheHitMan]

Why would they go out of their way to negotiate special terms for Stipe? Dude doesn't have the belt, is about to turn 40, and was always a pain in the ass to deal with. The UFC doesn't give fighters like that title shots, Dana's playbook is to feed them to a younger prospect they wanna build up. That's why they want Nate to fight Khamzat.

Because he's a legend and the best heavyweight the UFC ever had, genius.

Why are you so unappreciative of a man's body of work?

 

[moosaev]

Because he's a legend and the best heavyweight the UFC ever had, genius.

Why are you so unappreciative of a man's body of work?

That's your reason? Because he's a legend? You're very naive lol. Do you think Dana gives a shit about sentimental stuff? Nate Diaz is a bigger legend than Stipe, thats not stopping them from trying to feed him to Khamzat.

Endeavor needs to pay the bills, they don't care about Stipe's body of work, they only care about the bottom line. Stipe being champion again is not good for the bottom line.