Still think DJ - Cruz - Aldo are the best all-time at their weight classes

I love how Merab gets slammed for losing to a fellow GOAT candidate (who he previously beat) and Cruz getting humiliated by Cody Garbrandt is completely left out. Really fair and unbiased take you have there
 
Aldo's longevity cannot be understated, he might not have had a great win loss record post his prime but he was still a difficult fight for everyone who fought him after the Conor fight. Several fighters including Volk resorted to just holding him against the cage to eke out a victory.
 
Merab losing vs a guy he had already handily beat, and already fighting 3 times that year (including going 3+ rounds just two months prior) doesn't really make me as down on him as a lot of people here suddenly seem to be. Now, if he comes back and loses his next fight, that is a different story, but right now he is still one of the best all-time IMO

(Not saying I have him as the BW goat tho)
 
Cruz has more title defenses than Merab then regained the title and defended it. It's not a debate.
So what,does that mean Wlad is the boxing hw goat because of his title defenses number?
 
I think Cruz has been passed at this point.
 
Aldo and DJ yes.
No doubt. Aldo was a beast.


Cruz hunkydory bobbing around blaming keith peterson was never goat material.
That fight style was effectively idiotic.
Happy when Cody danced around him like a cringe high schooler.
 
Naw Cruz isn’t the best bantamweight but he does have great wins and a peculiar style, while being very knowledgeable in all aspects of the sport, he just doesn’t have the finishes and never really put a beat down on anyone. Most of his fights were close as he didn’t have the power to force guys to back off and while movement made up for it. He’d make them swing at air but he wasn’t a particularly intimidating champion.
He was great don’t get me wrong, but I still think TJ was a better Cruz with KO power in all of his weapons. Almost every DC fight is very close all the way back to the WEC. I’m not sure how much his style had to change due to constantly being out due to injury, and that may have lessened his power and changed his fighting style while also denying his chance to mount a large streak of title defenses.
He had a great but unfortunate career, and the things he was able to pull off with incredible amounts of ring rust with several multi year breaks is pretty remarkable. I honestly can’t think of one time Dom subbed someone and the only KO I can remember was that Japanese dude (and that fight was also a comeback fight)

A legend no doubt and the #2 BW ever, but I think TJ is better (which is kinda crazy because in their only head to head Dom has the W and was also coming back from another couple years off knee surgery and TJ has that positive test results)

If I had to choose between fighting Dom or TJ I’m choosing Dom every time simply because he’s just a less dangerous person to fight. That’s kinda my thought process here-and I wouldn’t even call TJ a BW goat but it also certainly isn’t Merab, Sterling, or Barao, for sure ain’t Cody, can’t be Henry he left too fast and screwed up his career.

The problem is everyone at Bantamweight is so good and the matchups are so dynamic that almost any of them can beat eachother

I think it’s probably Miguel Torres lol 😂 his WEC title run was pretty nuts and very fun to watch. (I’m joking about this last part)

And I know that this last statement doesn’t really have anything to do with this subject but…..The WEC Belts ARE the UFC Belts, they are the same titles and were brought in from the WEC 135, and 145 weight classes to me that means Urijah is certainly a former Champ and should always be acknowledged as such. He was a Zuffa Champion, the only reason he isn’t a “UFC” Champion is timing. To me Urijah should be mentioned as a former Featherweight Title Holder.
Idk how Mike Brown had his number so bad.
 
It could be Yan-no one whooped Aldo like that except maybe for Max…but Yan is way smaller then Max AND Aldo.

Also I’m going to start adding watchability/Beauty to my GOAT discussions. If your fights suck or are basically hold on for dear decision type fights I’m not going to add you to the GOAT list because you don’t have GOAT fights or GOAT Performances, and if you can just roll over your opponents-than obviously your competition isn’t up to par and you’re just the best in a group of suckers. I like Fighting in the Ultimate FIGHTING Championship. This is not the Ultimate Takedown Championship, or the Ultimate Control Time Championship. Just scrap. I can compare this to Mayweather…would I rather fight Floyd or Manny? Well it depends how much longer I’d like to live, so Floyd all the way. You may disagree, but that is what I believe this sport is supposed to be.
 
I can’t edit my posts because of these yellow cards (40% of my post purse btw)

So I’ll put it like this
GOAT status requires GOAT performances, not just GOAT records.


If your fights aren’t watchable, dangerous, or memorable, you’re not the greatest fighter — you’re just the most efficient point-scorer under the ruleset and cage environment. MMA isn’t just cage fighting (Unless you’re in the WEC)
 
Quality wins in general goes to Aldo, no?
I think if you count Aldo’s wins in the WEC and UFC then yeah.

If you count just UFC I think him and Volk are more even given that not only does Volk have a win over Aldo himself but the guy that beat Aldo too.
 
I don't think Johnson or Aldo is up for debate with anyone logical. & 135 is one of the more open ended discussions for GOAT you can easily form the argument for TJ, Cruz, Merab or Yan.
TJ is a cheat so he is out of the conversation. Yan is a no go. Guy lost 3 in a row to Aljo, O'Malley and Merab. Even if you argue O'Malley was a SD that could have gone his way that is still 3 losses in his Prime.

Merab went 14 in a row against top competition especially at the end. Aldo, Yan, Cejudo, O'Malley, Umar, O'Malley again and Sandhagen is a pretty incredible streak. I want to see if he can regain the title from Yan. Yan lost the belt in his first defense so without a long 2nd reign Yan isn't even close.
 
I think if you count Aldo’s wins in the WEC and UFC then yeah.

If you count just UFC I think him and Volk are more even given that not only does Volk have a win over Aldo himself but the guy that beat Aldo too.
I count the WEC wins given the Zuffa acquisition, and multiple guys at 145 and 155 from the WEC became champs or fought for the belt.

The WEC's roster proved to be very deep, and even the UFC fighters pre-merger who moved down to 145 (e.g. Frankie, Charles, etc) couldn't capture the belt.
 
I think if you count Aldo’s wins in the WEC and UFC then yeah.

If you count just UFC I think him and Volk are more even given that not only does Volk have a win over Aldo himself but the guy that beat Aldo too.

Of course you still count WEC. Why are people still talking like this in 2025? The UFC's FW (and BW) divisions were essentially the UFC's with a few other signings. UFC didn't have a BW or FW division, pre-WEC merge. There's a reason Aldo and Cruz were immediately recognized as UFC champions despite not having had a UFC fight at the time of the merger.

This was Sherdog's FW rankings, post-merge (UFC didn't have official rankings then):


Every FW in the top 15 there was on the UFC roster before Aldo's official debut besides Sandro (whose only losses were to Hioki and Omigawa, both signed by UFC), Takaya (went 0-2 in WEC against Swanson and Garcia, lost to Omigawa in Sengoku at time of WEC merge as well), Warren and Fernandes.

Having a couple guys from Bellator or Japanese promotions in rankings was very common (and still exists now in worldwide rankings). Asakura and Horiguchi are 2 recent examples who were ranked worldwide while at RIZIN, and are in UFC now. Pre-UFC Kape as well would have been in the top 15 worldwide rankings at flyweight.
 
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I think DJ is the least debatable of the 3. Could win with striking, grappling, or cardio.

Merab getting absolutely dominated (granted Yan may be the only one who can beat him with that game plan) changed the complexion of his reign. Cruz in his prime was incredibly hard to strike with his movement, outlanded opponents, and had those sweet knee-tap TDs. His comeback from a long injury layoff to beat TJ makes him best all-time.

Prime Aldo was the most dominant FW champ. Great hands with accuracy and power and cat-like TDD. Before calf kicks became a thing his leg kicks were feared. The fact that he was still among the best at 135 even after his title reign speaks volumes about his talent. Volk would have arguably supplanted Aldo but Ilia starched him and Max. If Ilia stayed at 145 and defended, he could have been best all-time, but I think it's way more compelling if he can defend at 155 from a career perspective.
Just yes, absolutely and thank you for the GOAT of the month reality check
 
There is no argument at this point that Dominick Cruz is the BW GOAT. None

Merab is ahead of Cruz and there's literally no valid argument you can make that he isn't.

I will also die on the hill that he didn't beat Dillashaw.
 
Not convinced about Dominick, maybe, not convinced though. But Mighty Mouse and Aldo are certainly the best in their class for me!
 
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