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Stephen Thompson: Striking hard to the body is ok but not the head...

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Josh Thompson talks about how important it is to not damage the chin by going hard sparring. He also says that if there are any members in the gym who want to go too hard in sparring, then they are kicked out of the gym and banned for life.


“That’s a lot of these gyms where they go out there and try to beat the crap out of each other. I’ve been to some gyms where they’re wearing the UFC MMA gloves going all out knocking each other out, and that’s just ridiculous,” he said. “It’s why a lot of these guys are young and they don’t have any chins anymore. They’re career is gone because they’ve beaten the crap out of each other. You cannot condition the brain.”

Thompson hasn’t been knocked out in 13 professional MMA bouts, and in eight UFC appearances, has never absorbed more significant strikes than his opponent. The heady approach to training was instilled in “Wonderboy” long before his first cagefighting foray. Under the guidance of his father, Ray Thompson, at Team Upstate Karate, erring on the side of caution has always been the norm, even as the younger Thompson compiled a 57-0 kickboxing ledger.

“It’s something that we’ve always done in our gym. We’ve always trained smart. My dad’s been training kickboxers since as long as long as I can remember -- and world champions, really good guys... Whenever you spar, you want to push each other. You can hit hard to the body but keep it light to the head. Once you lose that jaw, that chin, it’s almost impossible to get that back,” he said. “You can’t get that back. That’s something that’s kind of stuck with us until now. “

Those that aren’t on board with that philosophy are quickly shown the door.

Some people listen and some people don’t. Those guys that don’t, they’re not welcome in the gym. We don’t want people getting hurt. We don’t want to be that gym where you feel like you have to fend for your life every time you step on that mat,” Thompson said. “...You’ve got guys coming in late in the game, maybe they were the man in another sport, they come in and they feel like they have something to prove every time they step out on the mat. That’s not what being a martial artist is all about.


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Imo he's spot on. Robbie has learned this lesson as well. Smarter, not harder. This is a sad truth about Andy (and other old school fighters like him), all those years of little headgear, hard sparring MIGHT seem effective, but probably has worse long term effects.
 
So, Stephen or Josh?
 
It worked for Cain, Cormier and now Rockhold, though...

But I agree with him. If I were a fighter, I'd train smart not brutally physical. It seems to me that technique and cardio goes the farthest
 
I've said this for a long time… People look at the damage in ring and go 'Oh that's the fight that made his chin go"… No. The chin is much more likely to go in training. Take Anderson for example. He came up through chute box and then spent almost a decade sparring guys like Nog and JDS without head gear taking BOMBS in training. It's amazing that guys chin lasted nearly two decades before it started to go…

When someone eventually gets chinny in the ring [And they haven't proven to be chinny in the past] - Training and not the damage accumulated in the ring is the most likely culprit.
 
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Imo he's spot on. Robbie has learned this lesson as well. Smarter, not harder. This is a sad truth about Andy (and other old school fighters like him), all those years of little headgear, hard sparring MIGHT seem effective, but probably has worse long term effects.
Andersons chin held up till he was al most 40, he's not the guy to use in this agruement
 
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Andersons chin held up till he was al most 40, he's not the guy to use in this agruement

Exactly, but the shots Jorge landed on him were viscous, I don't think the KO punch Chris landed in the first fight was due to his chin failing though, just a perfect punch, but you can see in the 2nd fight the effect one KO can do to a chin.
 
Smart fighter and they are doing it right at his gym.
 
Its policy in any gym ive spent real time at.

But I can see why people go hard too. I got dropped in the first 10 seconds of my first fight as i simply was not ready for the speed. But i still don't go hard because i didn't get given a spare brain.



And what are we talking about Anderson for? 1 ko ?????
 
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Andersons chin held up till he was al most 40, he's not the guy to use in this agruement

I see what you're saying. I used Andy because I'm a nutthugger and it saddens me.
 
Look what happened when someone struck Aldo hard to the body...
 
Imo he's spot on. Robbie has learned this lesson as well. Smarter, not harder. This is a sad truth about Andy (and other old school fighters like him), all those years of little headgear, hard sparring MIGHT seem effective, but probably has worse long term effects.
Headgear causes worse head injuries.
 
Andrei somehow got his back. Dunno how and why though.

He started fighting smarter and was avoiding the KO more than withstanding it (although he was dropped in each of his last three fights). He still has the tendency to move straight up and back and tends to make mistakes at inopportune times.
 
That's smart, that's the way you can keep up in the sport for a longer time.
Only in cage they have to give everything.
 
Depends. When used properly it protects. When I've trained our coaches make it clear that headgear does NOT mean go hard.

If you take a hard sparring gym, like chuteboxe or mine, and you introduce headgear into that type of fighting, it causes far more damage. Put headgear in the UFC, you would get far more head trauma. Headgear is really very, very bad for fighting.
 
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