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If birther was true legal documents would have had to beeen forged.

The birth certificate wasn't released for years because Obama wanted to hide the fact that his mother was a minor when he was conceived. The birther theories emerged because the birth certificate was withheld for so long. It wasn't an accusation of forged document since no document had been released to the public. It was an accusation that he was allowed to take office without having to prove it.

The show was on the other foot then. Which is why the bitching from Trump and those that supported that behavior back then is falling on deaf ears. That and the fact his appointed team has plead guilty, he’s been dishonest about details. and his team has testified that he was involved in some shady stuff that should be looked into. I’d want it investigated no matter the party.

All the shady stuff is on the left, and the true, damaging disregard for the constitution is also coming from the left. We can all enjoy the spoils when this is over.
 
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Trump has not called another politician a "Mother F*****"

But I speak against some of the things Trump says.

Like this one.

Yeah guy, at least Trump didn't say motherfucker at a private event when he tweeted this elegant piece of schitt.<LikeReally5>

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The birth certificate wasn't released for years because Obama wanted to hide the fact that his mother was a minor when he was conceived. The birther theories emerged because the birth certificate was withheld for so long. It wasn't an accusation of forged document since no document had been released to the public.



All the shady stuff is on the left, and the true, damaging disregard for the constitution is also coming from the left. We can all enjoy the spoils when this is over.

Candidates can be charged with fraud for lying regarding meeting the eligibility requirements.

Maybe the Trump theories evolved from his refusal to release tax documents and lying about Russian business dealings during his campaign. You hold many double standards.

Anyone who says it’s all on one side is just a silly cheerleader.
 
I agree that people should be criticized when they do things wrong. I think many on the right are a little bitter that Trump gets treated unfairly most of the time just because he hurts people's feeling with things he says. Impeachment is a legal action taken by Congress that should generally involve a crime. The left is absolutely taking things to another level.

1. It already involves a crime, Trump is already an unidicted coconspirator in the crimes Cohen plead guilty to (he is on tape) of violating campaign finance laws, and that case isn't even over yet with the National Enquirer front still being investigated.
2. The bulk of house dems, and all of the dem's leaders, are not pushing for impeachment. It's Trump talking about it more than anyone, even asking Pelosi about impeachment, in person, last Friday.
3. Don't talk about the left "taking things to another level" when 20 years ago the right impeached Clinton over false statements under oath about a sexual relationship (and with Brett Kavanaugh writing the most embarrassing questions possible for Clinton to answer under oath (e.g., "did you penetrate Ms. Lewinsky's genitals with a cigar")) with people like Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, and Orrin Hatch carrying the torches and the pitchforks.
 
Candidates can be charged with fraud for lying regarding meeting the eligibility requirements.

Maybe the Trump theories evolved from his refusal to release tax documents and lying about Russian business dealings during his campaign. You hold many double standards.

Anyone who says it’s all on one side is just a silly cheerleader.
He had no business dealings with Russia of note. It's completely irrelevant to anything if he was considering some type of real estate investment in Russia back in 1996. "If not for double standards, liberals wouldn't have any standards at all."
 
1. It already involves a crime, Trump is already an unidicted coconspirator in the crimes Cohen plead guilty to (he is on tape) of violating campaign finance laws, and that case isn't even over yet with the National Enquirer front still being investigated.

That is untrue. Existing campaign finance laws have never been interpreted as including paying for someone's silence. If that were the case, you would have a lot of members of Congress getting nailed for their tax-payer funded slush fund. It's a laugh that members of Congress would want to reinterpret the law now.

2. The bulk of house dems, and all of the dem's leaders, are not pushing for impeachment. It's Trump talking about it more than anyone, even asking Pelosi about impeachment, in person, last Friday.
3. Don't talk about the left "taking things to another level" when 20 years ago the right impeached Clinton over false statements under oath about a sexual relationship (and with Brett Kavanaugh writing the most embarrassing questions possible for Clinton to answer under oath (e.g., "did you penetrate Ms. Lewinsky's genitals with a cigar")) with people like Lindsay Graham, Mitch McConnell, and Orrin Hatch carrying the torches and the pitchforks.

You're drawing a false equivalency. Clinton did lie under oath. He did it publicly and on camera. There was no evidence that Kavanaugh did anything. I hope Christine Blasey is enjoying the money she received from her Go Fund Me.
 
That is untrue. Existing campaign finance laws have never been interpreted as including paying for someone's silence. If that were the case, you would have a lot of members of Congress getting nailed for their tax-payer funded slush fund. It's a laugh that members of Congress would want to reinterpret the law now.



You're drawing a false equivalency. Clinton did lie under oath. He did it publicly and on camera. There was no evidence that Kavanaugh did anything. I hope Christine Blasey is enjoying the money she received from her Go Fund Me.


1. Cohen didn't plead guilty to Nancy Pelosi or Rashida Tlaib or any "members of congress", he has plead guilty to crimes in the southern district of New York, and he has implicated Trump in both the Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougle payments (publicly releasing some of his evidence) and you have Trump's CFO, Alan Weisselberg, and Trump's homeboy at the National Enquirer, David Pecker, getting immunity for their testimony from the southern district in an ongoing investigation. Congress has nothing to do with any of that.

2. Trump has lied about his affairs and his payments "publicly and on camera".



3. And it's not a false equivalency in the least bit to say that 20 years ago the GOP took things to another level and used impeachment as a political instrument. After Dole losing the 96 election, the GOP was willing to do anything and everything to get Clinton out of office, and all that came out of the whole Ken Starr investigation was that Clinton lied about having a consensual extramarital affair with Lewinsky in order to hide it. My point about Kavanaugh was that he was personally responsible for writing the questions to Clinton about Clinton using a cigar as a dildo, with the purpose of trying to humiliate and damage Clinton as much as possible. Here is how 1998 Trump thinks Clinton (who Trump used to say was a great president before he started his current hustle) should have handled that whole thing, which is quite similar to how Trump has been handling all of his investigations.

 
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He had no business dealings with Russia of note. It's completely irrelevant to anything if he was considering some type of real estate investment in Russia back in 1996. "If not for double standards, liberals wouldn't have any standards at all."

"Donald Trump and his aides continued negotiations about a potential Trump Tower project in Moscow well into the 2016 presidential campaign, his ex-lawyer Michael Cohen acknowledged in a guilty plea in a New York federal court on Thursday.

Cohen admitted that he lied to Congress last year when he said that those discussions had ended in January 2016 and that his overtures to the Russian government went unrequited."

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/29/6718...ontinued-into-presidential-run-documents-show

Weird that he wouldn't have mentioned these negotiations (including that they were going to comp Putin with a $50 million condo) while Trump was on the campaign trail saying he had nothing to do with Russia, and weirder that his personal attorney lied to congress about it...and that is straight up international business, and doesn't include the things Mueller is looking into like Trump's longtime relationship with Deutche Bank and its past ties to Russian money laundering, and why Russian organized-crime figures like Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov's syndicate was based in an apartment in Trump Tower.
 
1. Cohen didn't plead guilty to Nancy Pelosi or Rashida Tlaib or any "members of congress", he has plead guilty to crimes in the southern district of New York, and he has implicated Trump in both the Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougle payments (publicly releasing some of his evidence) and you have Trump's CFO, Alan Weisselberg, and Trump's homeboy at the National Enquirer, David Pecker, getting immunity for their testimony from the southern district in an ongoing investigation. Congress has nothing to do with any of that.

2. Trump has lied about his affairs and his payments "publicly and on camera".



3. And it's not a false equivalency in the least bit to say that 20 years ago the GOP took things to another level and used impeachment as a political instrument. After Dole losing the 96 election, the GOP was willing to do anything and everything to get Clinton out of office, and all that came out of the whole Ken Starr investigation was that Clinton lied about having a consensual extramarital affair with Lewinsky in order to hide it. My point about Kavanaugh was that he was personally responsible for writing the questions to Clinton about Clinton using a cigar as a dildo, with the purpose of trying to humiliate and damage Clinton as much as possible. Here is how 1998 Trump thinks Clinton (who Trump used to say was a great president before he started his current hustle) should have handled that whole thing, which is quite similar to how Trump has been handling all of his investigations.



Cohen's implications are not a crime. The Mueller team is desperate to make anything stick, so they are claiming that paying hush money to someone for a non-crime is a violation of campaign finance laws. That is simply not true...
 
1. Cohen didn't plead guilty to Nancy Pelosi or Rashida Tlaib or any "members of congress", he has plead guilty to crimes in the southern district of New York, and he has implicated Trump in both the Stormy Daniels and Karen McDougle payments (publicly releasing some of his evidence) and you have Trump's CFO, Alan Weisselberg, and Trump's homeboy at the National Enquirer, David Pecker, getting immunity for their testimony from the southern district in an ongoing investigation. Congress has nothing to do with any of that.

2. Trump has lied about his affairs and his payments "publicly and on camera".



3. And it's not a false equivalency in the least bit to say that 20 years ago the GOP took things to another level and used impeachment as a political instrument. After Dole losing the 96 election, the GOP was willing to do anything and everything to get Clinton out of office, and all that came out of the whole Ken Starr investigation was that Clinton lied about having a consensual extramarital affair with Lewinsky in order to hide it. My point about Kavanaugh was that he was personally responsible for writing the questions to Clinton about Clinton using a cigar as a dildo, with the purpose of trying to humiliate and damage Clinton as much as possible. Here is how 1998 Trump thinks Clinton (who Trump used to say was a great president before he started his current hustle) should have handled that whole thing, which is quite similar to how Trump has been handling all of his investigations.



The fuck happened to Trumps vocabulary and speaking abilities from 1998 to 2019.....
 
"Donald Trump and his aides continued negotiations about a potential Trump Tower project in Moscow well into the 2016 presidential campaign, his ex-lawyer Michael Cohen acknowledged in a guilty plea in a New York federal court on Thursday.

Cohen admitted that he lied to Congress last year when he said that those discussions had ended in January 2016 and that his overtures to the Russian government went unrequited."

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/29/6718...ontinued-into-presidential-run-documents-show

Weird that he wouldn't have mentioned these negotiations (including that they were going to comp Putin with a $50 million condo) while Trump was on the campaign trail saying he had nothing to do with Russia, and weirder that his personal attorney lied to congress about it...and that is straight up international business, and doesn't include the things Mueller is looking into like Trump's longtime relationship with Deutche Bank and its past ties to Russian money laundering, and why Russian organized-crime figures like Alimzhan Tokhtakhounov's syndicate was based in an apartment in Trump Tower.

Cohen recorded all of their conversations. Produce recordings of discussions about this deal. Produce documents that prove this deal was in any stage of being processed. Produce evidence that said deal would have been crime or a motive to commit a crime...
 
I've been hearing this for almost 2 years now. I guess we'll be hearing it for another 6.
 
Cohen's implications are not a crime. The Mueller team is desperate to make anything stick, so they are claiming that paying hush money to someone for a non-crime is a violation of campaign finance laws. That is simply not true...

You had the same problem a couple weeks ago in our conversation about Flynn's sentencing hearing, when you were believing the right wing media's bullshit about him too.

For starters, it isn't Muller, it is the Southern District of New York (you know the district Preet Bharara used to run until Trump realized he couldn't corrupt him and fired him to avoid trouble like this). Mueller came across Cohen's criminal activity and passed it along to the proper prosecutors, and after not cooperating for a long time, Cohen is telling Mueller whatever he can with the hope that Mueller can get him out of some jail time

It is a crime, which is why Cohen (Trump's attorney) plead guilty to it, and why the prosecutors and judges accepted his plea.

It is an ongoing ( we know it is ongoing as AMI is required to "continue to cooperate" with the SDNY to stay out of legal jeopardy themselves) investigation with AMI getting immunity to cooperate, Trump's longtime CFO getting immunity to cooperate, Trump's longtime personal friend at the National Enquirer getting immunity to cooperate, and Trump's longtime personal attorney doing as much as he can to cooperate to reduce his prison sentence. We have heard what Cohen released to the media in which he and Trump were talking about the payment to McDougle and talking about the roles those two previously mentioned people were going to have. That tape shows that Cohen and Trump were surreptitiously involved in the negotiations between McDougle's lawyer and Pecker, without McDougle being aware of it.

The motive was, immediately following the Access Hollywood "grab em by the pussy" tape, to keep college educated women in Michigan and Wisconsin, etc., from knowing that Trump had unprotected sex with one hardcore porn star and one softcore porn star in 2006 and 2007 when Melania was at home with an infant son, and from them knowing that he paid these women to not disclose this information. That is why the parent company of the National Enquirer, AMI, admitted to federal prosecutors that “its principal purpose” in paying former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal $150,000 ahead of the 2016 election was to “suppress” her story about an alleged affair with Trump for the explicit purpose of improving the then-candidate’s chances of victory, and that this activity was done in "consultation, cooperation and concert with one or more members of the Trump campaign".
 
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Cohen recorded all of their conversations. Produce recordings of discussions about this deal. Produce documents that prove this deal was in any stage of being processed. Produce evidence that said deal would have been crime or a motive to commit a crime...

Dude, you claimed Trump had no business dealing with Russia, I gave you evidence that your claim wasn't true. Now you are trying to deflect to something else.

As for documents, Mueller hasn't released anything, and Cohen has gone radio silent, even with his friends, since he started cooperating with Mueller.

As for Cohen, could be big news from McClatchy about Cohen's cell phone being in Prauge in late summer 2016, still waiting to see if anyone else confirms this story though.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article219016820.html

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You had the same problem a couple weeks ago in our conversation about Flynn's sentencing hearing, when you were believing the right wing media's bullshit about him too.

For starters, it isn't Muller, it is the Southern District of New York (you know the district Preet Bharara used to run until Trump realized he couldn't corrupt him and fired him to avoid trouble like this). Mueller came across Cohen's criminal activity and passed it along to the proper prosecutors, and after not cooperating for a long time, Cohen is telling Mueller whatever he can with the hope that Mueller can get him out of some jail time

It is a crime, which is why Cohen (Trump's attorney) plead guilty to it, and why the prosecutors and judges accepted his plea.

It is an ongoing ( we know it is ongoing as AMI is required to "continue to cooperate" with the SDNY to stay out of legal jeopardy themselves) investigation with AMI getting immunity to cooperate, Trump's longtime CFO getting immunity to cooperate, Trump's longtime personal friend at the National Enquirer getting immunity to cooperate, and Trump's longtime personal attorney doing as much as he can to cooperate to reduce his prison sentence. We have heard what Cohen released to the media in which he and Trump were talking about the payment to McDougle and talking about the roles those two previously mentioned people were going to have. That tape shows that Cohen and Trump were surreptitiously involved in the negotiations between McDougle's lawyer and Pecker, without McDougle being aware of it.

The motive was, immediately following the Access Hollywood "grab em by the pussy" tape, to keep college educated women in Michigan and Wisconsin, etc., from knowing that Trump had unprotected sex with one hardcore porn star and one softcore porn star in 2006 and 2007 when Melania was at home with an infant son, and from them knowing that he paid these women to not disclose this information. That is why the parent company of the National Enquirer, AMI, admitted to federal prosecutors that “its principal purpose” in paying former Playboy Playmate Karen McDougal $150,000 ahead of the 2016 election was to “suppress” her story about an alleged affair with Trump for the explicit purpose of improving the then-candidate’s chances of victory, and that this activity was done in "consultation, cooperation and concert with one or more members of the Trump campaign".

You are long-winded and say little of anything.

Provide the verbiage from a statute that makes paying "hush money" for a non-crime a violation of campaign finance laws. Provide case law in which paying "hush money" was interpreted as a violation of campaign finance laws. Then explain why no member of Congress has been charged for doing the same with a tax-payer funded slush fund.

Dude, you claimed Trump had no business dealing with Russia, I gave you evidence that your claim wasn't true. Now you are trying to deflect to something else.

As for documents, Mueller hasn't released anything, and Cohen has gone radio silent, even with his friends, since he started cooperating with Mueller.

As for Cohen, could be big news from McClatchy about Cohen's cell phone being in Prauge in late summer 2016, still waiting to see if anyone else confirms this story though.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/investigations/article219016820.html

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You have provided evidence of absolutely positively nothing. You haven't even provided sound reason for your claims.

I have diverted from nothing. I have simply responded to your claims.

Cohen plead guilty to lying to investigators, tax evasion, and campaign finance violations (regardless of whether or not he is truly guilty of those things). How are any of those tied into said deal to build condominiums in Russia?
 
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You are long-winded and say little of anything.

Provide the verbiage from a statute that makes paying "hush money" for a non-crime a violation of campaign finance laws. Provide case law in which paying "hush money" was interpreted as a violation of campaign finance laws. Then explain why no member of Congress has been charged for doing the same with a tax-payer funded slush fund.

Cohen pleaded guilty Tuesday to eight criminal charges, including two campaign finance violations in which he directly implicated Trump.

Cohen said that ahead of the 2016 election, he arranged payments to two women to suppress their stories of alleged affairs with Trump. He told a federal judge that he did so in coordination with the then-candidate and in an effort to influence the election.

He admitted to committing two separate crimes that violated federal election law: He caused a corporation to make an unlawful contribution to the Trump campaign and he personally made an excessive contribution to the Trump campaign.

The first crime occurred when Cohen arranged to have AMI, the parent company of the National Enquirer, buy the rights to the story of Playboy model Karen McDougal for $150,000, according to court papers. AMI then shelved her story.

That payment served as an in-kind contribution to Trump's presidential campaign, violating a ban on corporate donations to campaigns, prosecutors said.

The second violation occurred when Cohen paid adult-film star Stormy Daniels $130,000 in hush money days before Election Day. Cohen admitted to making the payment so that her story would not damage Trump's campaign.

Prosecutors said that the $130,000 served as an excessive contribution to Trump's campaign by Cohen, who under federal law was only allowed to donate a maximum of $5,400.

Trump asserted Wednesday that because the payments to the women were not made by his campaign committee, they did not break the law.

"They didn't come out of the campaign, and that's big," he said on "Fox & Friends," adding: "It's not even a campaign violation."

However, under federal campaign finance rules, a contribution is "anything of value given, loaned or advanced to influence a federal election."

A "knowing and willful" violation of those rules - which Cohen admitted to - can lead to criminal charges.

Excessive in-kind contributions do not usually result in criminal said Jonathan Biran, a partner at Biran Kelly and former prosecutor with the Justice Department's public integrity unit. "What sets this apart is the amount of the things of value - and also, one might argue, the importance of the issue that was the subject of these payments," he said. "In other words, to prevent the surfacing of these allegations."

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...n-s-campaign-finance-crimes-were-13175235.php
 
I have diverted from nothing. I have simply responded to your claims.

Cohen plead guilty to lying to investigators, tax evasion, and campaign finance violations (regardless of whether or not he is truly guilty of those things). How are any of those tied into said deal to build condominiums in Russia?

Why are you being moronically argumentative?

You said "He had no business dealings with Russia of note. It's completely irrelevant to anything if he was considering some type of real estate investment in Russia back in 1996. "If not for double standards, liberals wouldn't have any standards at all."

I pointed out to you that was wrong, and now you admit what I pointed out to you, that the Trump Org was trying to make a deal with to build a Trump Tower in Moscow in 2016. Just stop talking.
 
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